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As a member of the 27 club myself...

Found out about this on holiday - genuinely gutted about it, as I'm a fan of her music, but to anyone with eyes and a brain it was fairly inevitable. She was a drug addict and alcoholic, and didn't look like she was willing to get help. Fair play to her, her life I suppose. If I was a famous and talented millionaire musician I'd probably live my life in the exact same way and love every single second of it, and who is anyone else to judge? Hell, I often drink to excess and am a regular drug-taker, and I'm a fething pauper!

Some people manage to get off that train just in time - looks like Amy Winehouse was one of the unlucky ones. Ah, well.

'Back To Black' is still a fething awesome record.

remilia_scarlet wrote:She's now a member of the 27 club, along with jim morrison, hendrix, janis joplin, and kurt cobain.

Yeah.... No.

If she were part of that club, she'd be a janitor at best. Maybe a shoe shine.

I rarely feel pity, or sadness, when rich people die. I'll wake up tomorrow and not even notice.

Mike Noble wrote:Einstein died at 27?

Yep.

Colonel Parker found him dead and bloated on the toilet.

No offense but... took her long enough. I'm surprised she lasted this long.

Not much of a loss for me personaly, my cat has the same singing skills.

Seems appropriate....

Mr Mystery wrote:


Seems appropriate....

Thats odd..

when I heard I said to my dad that Ian Dury came to mind..

I heard her "Rehab" song being played a year or two ago in a bar as I was walking past, and I saw a stray cat get hit by a car in the middle of the song.

Weird.

Mr Mystery wrote:


Seems appropriate....

Ian Dury and the Blockheads - best live act I have ever seen.

As for old mophead, I wasn't that bothered but since they have been playing the Mark Ronson/Winehouse version of Valerie ad nauseum; I have been moved to turning the radio off allot.

haha you're dead

remilia_scarlet wrote:She's now a member of the 27 club, along with jim morrison, hendrix, janis joplin, and kurt cobain.

I find this interesting...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
As a member of the 27 club myself...

You cannot be a member unless:

A) You die at 27

B) Are known for musical prowess... though I challenge anyone who claims Whinehouse was anything close to greatness... like many idiots have claimed on Twibooker

How do you know that I am neither?

Seriously the club 27 thing is a load of balloney
My point was that there are plenty of very talented people from all walks of life including musicians who did not die at 27.
Just because some did means nothing other than some people die at a young age.
As mentioned already, Winehouse had potential that she squandered and is not really in the same leaugue as those listed.

She's not even close to the rest on that list.

I'm familiar with the name, but not her work, sadly. It's a shame. I feel for her fans, family, and close friends. I got nothing else here.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:How do you know that I am neither?

Seriously the club 27 thing is a load of balloney
My point was that there are plenty of very talented people from all walks of life including musicians who did not die at 27.
Just because some did means nothing other than some people die at a young age.
As mentioned already, Winehouse had potential that she squandered and is not really in the same leaugue as those listed.

I agree.

However, some psychs have attempted to explain the phenomenon of "27 club" as those who feel they have peaked and hope to immortalise themselves. Others explain that they approach 30 and feel their star is dimming and attempt to recapture their youth too entusiastically...

kronk wrote:I'm familiar with the name, but not her work, sadly. It's a shame. I feel for her fans, family, and close friends. I got nothing else here.

Don't beat yourself up over it... she had 2 albums, not even enough for a "Greatest Hits".

Well there is a surprise to the story. Her family says she died from alcohol withdrawal, and I find the story believable. I've worked a couple years on a detox unit and I can say 1st hand delirium tremors are no joke. Detoxing from hard drugs is no fun, but not even heroin will kill the person during detox. It will usually make them wish they were dead, and it's such a miserable experience dying from heroin withdrawals would seem like an act of mercy, but heroin withdrawal won't actually kill people during withdrawal. Alcohol is a different story because delirium tremors can rapidly cause seizures and death. I've seen 27 year olds go into DTs before, and it's usually not nearly as bad as 54 year olds with 35 years or so of hard drinking under their belts, but it is very much possible and plausible for a 27 year old to have a seizure from alcohol withdrawal. That' being said it's not common for a 27 year old to die from an alcohol detox seizure, but this is Amy Winehouse we are talking about. DTs are rough on the body; the 1st signs of things going south are usually a temperature over 100, a pulse over 100, and a diastolic BP over 100. If it goes into a bull blown seizure things get really ugly, especially if to person in question is an old man with a heart condition or a 27 year old with a heart condition. Between the massive weight loss episodes she went through and the massive amount of cocaine Amy Winehouse used over the years her heart took a horrible amount of abuse, so it shouldn't be a surprise to any expert that unsupervised alcohol withdrawal killed her. She probably would have lived if she tried to detox in a detox unit or ICU, but I don't blame her being ignorant to just how dangerous alcohol withdrawal can be.

Soladrin wrote:She's not even close to the rest on that list.

She was a much better vocalist than Kurt Cobain, an artist who's output was INCREDIBLY patchy. They are similar in that they each have only one great album. I also prefer Amy Winehouse to Janis Joplin.

Albatross wrote:

Soladrin wrote:She's not even close to the rest on that list.

She was a much better vocalist than Kurt Cobain, an artist who's output was INCREDIBLY patchy. They are similar in that they each have only one great album. I also prefer Amy Winehouse to Janis Joplin.

This is true. I feel that Cobain, whilst a very talented songwriter in his own right, has been overly idolised, like many other artists who died young. There are artists who produce excellent work for much longer timespans who never get the same adulation because they didn't have the shock of a young death to crystalise an image of them at the peak of their career.

Dunno about the Joplin vs. Winehouse thing though, I was always more of a fan of Joni Mitchell.

Now you're speaking my language, buddy!

Kurt Cobain was gak.

These are my untrained ears, but half his stuff sounded the same, he sang like Liam Gallagher (throaty and badly) and his albums were mediocre as only 3 or 4 songs were good.

Basically, if matty doesn't play them in his car from time to time, they suck balls.

Agreed. Cobain wasn't as great as he's made out to be, and Winehouse wasn't as poor as some are making her out to be.

I'm not a fan of her songs though- much too repetative and I don't like the lyrics much, either.

Edit: Haha, just realised, Joni Mitchell was the woman my ex used to do hilarious impressions of.

Kurt Cobain is partially responsible for bringing music out of the 80's, for which I will be eternally grateful. Most other popular grunge acts were still heavily influenced by 80's music when they first hit the scene (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.); Nirvana completely broke this trend and helped shape early 90's alternative music. Most of the bands you know from the 90's would not be the same at all without Nirvana's influence.

As for Amy Winehouse, I am completely unsurprised. Even as an avid drug user, I feel no sympathy for her, and I'm amazed that she lasted this long. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing, and she could've easily shown more self-restraint than she did.

An "avid" drug user?

Da Boss wrote:An "avid" drug user?

avid [av-id] adj. - Enthusiastic, ardent, dedicated, keen.

Yeah, I'd say that's a valid description of my drug consumption. It's my most valued passtime, at the very least.

You should visit my store...

George Best is happy... there's a new winehouse in heaven..

Phototoxin wrote:George Best is happy... there's a new winehouse in heaven..

Hmm, tasteless, punny, and offensive. I heartily approve. A+

Chrysaor686 wrote:Kurt Cobain is partially responsible for bringing music out of the 80's, for which I will be eternally grateful. Most other popular grunge acts were still heavily influenced by 80's music when they first hit the scene (Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.); Nirvana completely broke this trend and helped shape early 90's alternative music. Most of the bands you know from the 90's would not be the same at all without Nirvana's influence.

Beat me to it.

Albatross wrote:

Soladrin wrote:She's not even close to the rest on that list.

She was a much better vocalist than Kurt Cobain, an artist who's output was INCREDIBLY patchy. They are similar in that they each have only one great album. I also prefer Amy Winehouse to Janis Joplin.

Amy was a truly gifted singer. You called it with Back to Black; what an outstanding record.

In regards to Cobain, In Utero and Nevermind are both brilliant. Other tracks from other albums are excellent as well. Unplugged in New York is packed full of cover songs, with fewer originals, though that serves to let Kurt and the guys demonstrate what excellent performers they were, and how adept at adapting others' material. His versions of Bowie's The Man Who Sold the World, the Vaselines' Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam, and Leadbelly's In the Pines are goddam great.

Kurt was genuinely brilliant, and while I'll happily agree that many folks who die young are excessively idolized or romanticized, he easily stands in the company of Jimi and Janis, and above Jim, IMO.

In the end she'll be remembered as "that druggy" and not "that talented artist".