Jennifer Haley Painting DVD

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**Delephont**

I'm not buying Ms Haley, I'm purchasing the secrets to her painting skills, so maybe, just maybe, her work should have been the focus of the cover and not her!

Personally, I don't find her that attractive, most guys know that means, should she offer herself to me I probably wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't take a bullet for her.

Without being old fashioned, she does herself an injustice by dominating the cover of her DVD, it does suggest a "sex sells" theme, or an amazing amount of ego. I've purchased other How to DVD's from male painters and you're lucky if you see their face on the DVD box, let alone a good portion of their naked chests!

You decide!

**NAVARRO**

To harsh and funny about the attractive remark Delephont

Attractive or not for me personally I would NOT like to have a miniature painting DVD with lady boobs on the cover

Its totally OFF for what I consider a hobby for the family. So for me personally this cover will detach this potentially good dvd from my hobby.

**BrookM**

Why is that boy wearing a dress?

**Armorum Ferrum**

BrookM wrote:Why is that boy wearing a dress?

Epic !

**Erasoketa**

Vertrucio wrote:Her tutorial video on miniature mentor was great, but sadly was for a monochrome miniature. This color miniature should be great to see how she gets such perfect blends and clean painting.

+1 to this, I love that tutorial too! I'm buying this DVD for sure. It's fun seeing how different painters take pretty different aproaches, and they still get awesome results.

**Absolutionis**

Delephont wrote:Personally, I don't find her that attractive, most guys know that means, should she offer herself to me I probably wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't take a bullet for her.

Without being old fashioned, she does herself an injustice by dominating the cover of her DVD, it does suggest a "sex sells" theme, or an amazing amount of ego.

It's the same as this:

The target audience is not for people that want to bonerize Bob Ross but for those that care about painting.

Sex is not trying to sell. Women wear outfits like that all the time. It's delusional to think otherwise.
Just because she doesn't have the Y-chromosome that Mr. Bob Ross has, she is allowed to dress differently.

**Kirasu**

Man, the negativity over someone doing smart marketing is amazing. Who cares if she's showing a SMALL amount of cleavage. Should she dress as a nun or something? (Guess thats good for selling SoB painting secrets)

A relatively attractive woman sells a product better than Milton the balding overweight gamer (Apologies if anyone is named Milton and has the same qualities)

Its not like this isnt the tactic for virtually EVERYTHING sold in the entire world. My problem with this product is that you can get painting tutorials for free so shrug

**Delephont**

Absolutionis wrote:
Delephont wrote:Personally, I don't find her that attractive, most guys know that means, should she offer herself to me I probably wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't take a bullet for her.

Without being old fashioned, she does herself an injustice by dominating the cover of her DVD, it does suggest a "sex sells" theme, or an amazing amount of ego.

It's the same as this:

The target audience is not for people that want to bonerize Bob Ross but for those that care about painting.

Sex is not trying to sell. Women wear outfits like that all the time. It's delusional to think otherwise.
Just because she doesn't have the Y-chromosome that Mr. Bob Ross has, she is allowed to dress differently.

Yes, but even Bob Ross's cover is heavily sexualised, I had to look twice because I thought that was a Ron Jeremy DVD.....I think it was the Afro that did it!

Just to be clear, my comments were tongue in cheek, I'm sure she's a lovely lady, so lovely I would bear her children.

Oh and the statement about a "boy wearing a dress"! Awesome

**warpcrafter**

Anything that inspires people to put a nice paint job on their armies, I am in favor of. While I wouldn't buy it myself, (Not to say I am anywhere near as talented as her, but I paint well enough for my own purposes when I want to.) if anyone wants to learn how to paint really, really well, by the looks of the miniatures posted a few posts above mine, it seems like she's the one to listen to. A couple of those, it looks like she actually made them look better than what the sculptor intended. Damn nice work.

**kronk**

CMON_Ross wrote:The Miniature Painting Secrets with Jennifer Haley Painting DVD will be at GenCon and online shorly there after for $39.99!

I swung by their booth last year and was amazed at the painted miniatures they had on sale. I'll do the same this year.

Not sure that I'd spend $100 on these DVD's (I've read mixed reviews on the most recent one), but I am deeply jealous of their painting ability.

**warboss**

If people are distracted by the obvious attempt at sales by sex appeal of the cover, just replace it with the one below. For those who have bought previous versions, does she really only use two colors for the ranger on the rock in her monochrome video? That's pretty amazing if so.

**Kirasu**

Okay that makes me want to burn the dvd now

**Jayden63**

Artists are recognized by their work and name. But its always nice to know the face behind the work.

I don't have a single issue with her dvd cover. I could wish the figure was a little bit bigger, but that's it.

I'd love to watch the vids thou, there is probably a lot to learn from them.

**Erasoketa**

warboss wrote:For those who have bought previous versions, does she really only use two colors for the ranger on the rock in her monochrome video? That's pretty amazing if so.

Yes, she does. She uses a dark chocolate brown tone a creamy white tone. Makes a 50/50 mix to get a mid tone. And then mixes again the mid tone with the darker tone and the lighter tone, so she gets 5 colours to play with. In some areas she paints with the 3 darker colours, in others with the 3 middle colours and in other with the 3 lightest colours. Pretty nice tutorial.

**Wehrkind**

Jayden63 wrote:Artists are recognized by their work and name. But its always nice to know the face behind the work.

I don't have a single issue with her dvd cover. I could wish the figure was a little bit bigger, but that's it.

That's an excellent point. Unless some of her specific models are so epic and well known that people would recognize who they were by, just having a name and some models isn't too clear. Putting the faces of the painters on the DVD makes them more distinguishable in a way humans appreciate. Imagine having a rack of 20 of these (which sooner or later will exist) in your store. Customers can very easily see which ones they have and which they don't at a glance. Each DVD is very easily distinguished where as just name and some models requires a bit more consideration. Plus, it builds a brand. If Jen's video sells really well, they can make another one with her picture on it, and people who liked the first will immediately recognize it as being something they might be interested in.

**Gymnogyps**

Wehrkind wrote:[...Imagine having a rack of 20 of these ...

Heh. You said rack. Heh.

Anyway, the example mini of the lady holding the fire is from George RR Martin, "A Song of Ice and Fire" miniature line. Character name is Melisandre. That color scheme is very out of character (based on the books), but the paint job is so well executed I just don't care!

**Padre**

Jayden63 wrote: I could wish the figure was a little bit bigger, but that's it.

I thought she had quite a nice figure, myself!

Padre^.

**CT GAMER**

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**Kroothawk**

Gymnogyps wrote: That color scheme is very out of character (based on the books), but the paint job is so well executed I just don't care!

She was aware that Melisandre normally wears red, but she was asked to paint the mini that way.

**GBL**

Very clever marketing.

Just a small amount of cleavage has kept this news item at the top of the news and rumors section for much longer than it would have otherwise.

**AvatarForm**

Haha...

Marike Reimer may have talents, but Jen has the looks.

The worst part is trying to understand Jen Haley... she is not the most gifted communicator.

**H.B.M.C.**

If you've read anything about Jen, you'd understand why she's not much of a communicator.

**Alpharius**

OK, no hints - what is the story, please?

**Manchu**

Please explain.

**Bakerofish**

that explains why i get an "arrogant" vibe about her

neats.

as for the rest of the folks here, i think the "son I am disappoint" image meme is in order

**Jayden63**

Wehrkind wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:Artists are recognized by their work and name. But its always nice to know the face behind the work.

I don't have a single issue with her dvd cover. I could wish the figure was a little bit bigger, but that's it.

That's an excellent point. Unless some of her specific models are so epic and well known that people would recognize who they were by, just having a name and some models isn't too clear. Putting the faces of the painters on the DVD makes them more distinguishable in a way humans appreciate. Imagine having a rack of 20 of these (which sooner or later will exist) in your store. Customers can very easily see which ones they have and which they don't at a glance. Each DVD is very easily distinguished where as just name and some models requires a bit more consideration. Plus, it builds a brand. If Jen's video sells really well, they can make another one with her picture on it, and people who liked the first will immediately recognize it as being something they might be interested in.

That's the other issue. I can recognize several artists with just a glimps of their work. Adams, Esher, Royo, Shirow, Lee. But that's because their characters and backgrounds have a very distinct style and character about them. A mini is a mini. Yeah its painted awesomely, but spend enough time looking at various different mini galleries and they all start to blend together. There needed to be something on the cover to help make the DVD unique in that regard. Since Haley isn't a bad looking girl, why not put the artist on the cover. It sure as hell isn't going to hurt sales and it does give her DVD series a unique image to go with it and help it stand out.

**Revarien**

From http://www.paintrix-miniatures.com/about.php?&art=99&page=2 (her website)

Jen Haley wrote:Autism and Asperger Syndrome

Part of my makeup that's directly connected to my interest in miniature painting: I'm not quite right in the head. Literally.

A few years ago, after a lifetime of shy, compulsive, withdrawn, morbid, creative, loner, overachiever, space cadet, I was finally diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. Asperger's is a neurological condition which falls within the autism disorder spectrum. Some doctors classify it as 'high-functioning autism.' Girls tend to go undiagnosed because they have better language skills and learn to blend in more easily than autistic boys. If you've ever seen me go blank in the middle of a class, or twitch and make odd noises to myself, or put in earplugs during dinner...well, now you know why.

How does this translate in real life?

I have weird problems with sensory and spatial perception. Noises that other people can't hear give me headaches or make me nauseous. I run into walls, knock things over, and couldn't dance or hit a baseball to save my life. Jazz music agitates me. Too many conversations in one room, if I'm unable to tune it out, will send me into an anxiety attack, crying or hyperventilating. The chronic pain that has plagued me since I was fifteen, I suspect, is not an independent disorder, but connected to this whole neurological traffic jam.

I notice details and patterns in odd ways. As a kid I couldn't read a clock. Nobody pointed out to me the simple counting-minutes principle, and so until fourth grade (as I now realize) I told minutes as a memorized pattern, much in the same way an illiterate person will recognize words. On the other hand, it wasn't until I was out of college that I comprehended: not everyone has to read every bit of print that falls within her field of vision. People can actually just not register words. This was a shock. That Discovery Channel show, 'How Things Are Made'? Best show ever. I easily get derailed speculating what went into making some object that catches my gaze.

Social interaction is a conscious process, and a pleasant evening with friends can exhaust me just as much as a meeting with a hostile acquaintance. As long as I can remember, I've had to remind myself to look people in the eye while speaking...and I still have conversations with a point over someone's left shoulder. I have to prepare what to say in situations ranging from party small talk to buying new shoes. When someone catches me with questions or comments I wasn't expecting, I freeze up.

Others are hard to read, and I give off abnormal cues myself. (In a very real way, every culture is a foreign culture to me.) I don't realize someone was hitting on me until a third party points it out, and the person I'm speaking with may see me as defensive or snobbish when I thought I was friendly and polite. It's hardest for me to interact with 'normal' women. I may adore corsets and petticoats (provided they're not pink or sparkly), but my brain processes things in a more typically masculine fashion. That, and my interest in subjects usually considered macabre or icky by girls, means that most of my activities are male-dominated.

Miniature painting allows me to channel usefully much of the hypercritical attention to detail. It's a help, not a hindrance. Getting absorbed in a project to the exclusion of all normal life doesn't hurt anything. And since my social and professional circles are made up of geeks--bright and creative people, many of whom have their own oddities and disorders--I don't feel abnormal, or even stand out all that much. Perhaps this is why I've worked at mini painting longer and more successfully than any other single pursuit in my life."

*edit* I wanted to add that I had about a 10 minute conversation with Jen at Reapercon and I just wanted to say that she is one of the nicest folks I've had the pleasure of having a conversation with. She is absolutely helpful and was very willing to give me advice. I never once got the 'she's a jerk' vibe or anything... total delight. Side note - Lazlo was there and is an awesome person too!

**CT GAMER**

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**Sarrazon**

Kroothawk wrote:
Gymnogyps wrote: That color scheme is very out of character (based on the books), but the paint job is so well executed I just don't care!

She was aware that Melisandre normally wears red, but she was asked to paint the mini that way.

By George himself, it's worth pointing out. The mini is now in his private collection.

**Wehrkind**

CT GAMER wrote:
You probably should have steered clear of the word "rack"

Nonsense! A good pun should always be driven straight into, a bad one even more so!

Much like a good rack, come to think of it.