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Kroothawk wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:So, do we know a release date -apart from that GenCon- for the DVD release at the CMON store?

Maybe you want to reread the first sentence of this thread

Yes but... I don't know when GenCon is. And also, when last year CMON published Natalya's DVD, it took several months for them to have the DVD in stock, when the digital version was already available. I had in mind the availability in CMON store of the physical DVD.

GenCon Indy is August 4-7, 2011.

I can't speak to when the DVD will be in stores. I hope that helps.

Please do not disregard moderation.

Thanks,

Manchu

When can we expect reviews from other painting sites? Like that dude in the loud shirts?

kronk wrote:GenCon Indy is August 4-7, 2011.

I can't speak to when the DVD will be in stores. I hope that helps.

Well, it's a starting point, many thanks! ^^

Please do not disregard moderation. This is grounds for suspension of your account.

Thanks,

Manchu

This thread is not about the cover of a DVD. This thread is about a DVD concerning miniatures painting and the appearance of the person in that DVD at a certain event. Please keep the comments on-topic. Failure to do so, after many explicit moderator warnings to this effect will result in suspension of your account.

Thanks.

BrookM wrote:When can we expect reviews from other painting sites? Like that dude in the loud shirts?

I think you're talking about "AGProductions Inc". Probably give him a month.

I'd love to find out more of what's on Jen's DVD. I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.

FWIW, she's a lovely person. I hope she has the sense to avoid this site like the plague.

Mastiff wrote:I'd love to find out more of what's on Jen's DVD. I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.

FWIW, she's a lovely person. I hope she has the sense to avoid this site like the plague.

Not sure why she'd want to avoid this site like the plague?

This thread has veered off topic, but every attempt has been made to steer it back on topic.

Overall, I think Dakka Dakka does a fairly good job at keeping at even keel.

Mastiff wrote:I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.

Agree on color choice. I don't think she's as good with lighting, however. Example. Of course, I'm not saying I could do better. Far from it.

- Removed by insaniak. Which part of 'Drop it' was unclear? -

She's one of best painters around but the reviews about Natalya DVD were not that good so I fear for the content of this one also... One DVD that its a must for me but I still didn't got it ( but has very nice reviews and the little teasers on the net show a million light years ahead of the CMON ones is Jeremy one for kraken ( I also prefer his panting style).
More than looking at someone painting is important that the painter has some inclination to be a teacher and as we know not every good artist has that ability.

Well, Jen has a lot of experience teachign peopel how to paint. I am not sure how much experience NAtalya has / has had, and then language is a barrier fro Natalya as well. If anything can be Said for CMON they take what they do very very seriously and I would imagine that they want to produce as many succesful products as possible. By that I imagine that this will be a worthwhile purchase. Jen is a great painter and artist and seems to be a competent teacher.

NAVARRO wrote:She's one of best painters around but the reviews about Natalya DVD were not that good so I fear for the content of this one also... One DVD that its a must for me but I still didn't got it ( but has very nice reviews and the little teasers on the net show a million light years ahead of the CMON ones is Jeremy one for kraken ( I also prefer his panting style).
More than looking at someone painting is important that the painter has some inclination to be a teacher and as we know not every good artist has that ability.

I don't know if Natalya's DVD for CMON was her first tutorial ever, but I know that Jen Haley has done at least two more before CMON's. I own the "Monochrome techniques" tutorial from Miniature Mentor and IMHO she is a very good teacher. I hope that she will be as communicative in this new tuto as she has been before.

If the reviews of the DVD are good, I'll pick it up. She's a better painter than I'll ever be, and if it helps me at all, I've nary a problem with that.

beowulfhunter wrote:Speaking of painting videos, I was on the fence about the JH one, but this one just made me decide to keep my money.
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/mainwebsite_html/gallery/DarkSwordDVD.html

That looks like it'll be really interesting. Have they released how much that DVD will cost?

I question the need to sell painting advice when it is so readily available on the internet. For free.

Granted her models are very nice, but most of those results come down to a certain degree of skill combined with countless hours of practise, which is something that you can't teach over a 6hr DVD.

L. Wrex

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I question the need to sell painting advice when it is so readily available on the internet. For free.

Granted her models are very nice, but most of those results come down to a certain degree of skill combined with countless hours of practise, which is something that you can't teach over a 6hr DVD.

L. Wrex

True to some extent but you are not considering the fact that these DVD's are usually more like a condensed pill of information and its objective is to trim down as you say the countless hours required to acquire knowledge by trial and error.

Also, with things like studying the arts, just being able to see someone at work, in high detail, watching for stuff like how exactly paint is applied, how the brush is swept across in a certain way to make sure paint is applied in the right areas, but not too much or too little. Or other things like what kind of consistency the paint, and more.

Other smaller things, like learning what you should expect to see when you put brush to mini is also a big deal.

Many of the little things that make you efficient and effective (and avoid frustration) are within those details, and are the difference between painting on the level of Jen Haley, or fast painting for the table.

All that requires a better production value to see than small youtube videos.

painting tutorials are great since I am great at copying. If there is a step by step guide I will be able to copy anything to 95% of its original feel and look.

So I love these painting tutorials.

Alpharius wrote:

Not sure why she'd want to avoid this site like the plague?

This thread has veered off topic, but every attempt has been made to steer it back on topic.

Overall, I think Dakka Dakka does a fairly good job at keeping at even keel.

And look how many attempts it takes. Per page. I do appreciate the moderation though, and recognize that the mods do what they can.

Manchu wrote:

Mastiff wrote:I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.

Agree on color choice. I don't think she's as good with lighting, however. Example. Of course, I'm not saying I could do better. Far from it.

I agree, that's not her best example of source lighting. Try these:



The minis are mostly monochrome to give the effect of a single light source.

As far as teaching goes, I know she used to run painting clinics at gaming conventions. Not sure if she still does. But I would expect that would give her more experience in preparation for the video.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I question the need to sell painting advice when it is so readily available on the internet. For free.

Granted her models are very nice, but most of those results come down to a certain degree of skill combined with countless hours of practise, which is something that you can't teach over a 6hr DVD.

True, but she's targeting advanced painters, not beginners. At some point it's very helpful to see some of the more subtle tricks of the trade, that need to be shown rather than written about. Sometimes it's small details like holding the brush, painting environment, mixing mediums, whatever. Whether it's worth paying for depends whether you feel free advice is of the same value I guess.

MajorTom11 wrote:Yup... not bad, although I recommend Miniature Mentor more.

I wouldn't!

I would be very keen to see a tutorial from Yellow One AKA Kirill Kanaev.

That is amazing wicked skill.

I am a little unsure because I heard people from her classes at adepticon and none of the reviews were all that great. She is an amazing painter but personally I would love too see a video by the first crystal brush winner Marike because she is just as amazing at painting, and has some great tutorials on her site.

I've seen most of the videos produced by Miniature Mentor and the two previous dvds made by CoolMiniorNot and all I can say is MM is a lot better in terms of content and production value. As previously mentioned, Jen did a video for MM which was very well structured and easy to follow. The guy doing the videos can be a bit annoying but he does a good job in asking the right questions from the artists so that the viewer can understand all the details and steps fully.

For the CMON dvds they did with Natalya and Brandon, it seems like the artist was left to their own devices to come up with the content. Some things are glossed over and some steps are not explained fully in detail. To make matters worse, the person doing the video editing loves to splice in horrible music that loops throughout the video. Natalya's video had some gypsie sounding music and Brandon's music was rock/heavy metal...all of which was looped continuously to fill in the silent parts.

That being said, Jen is still a great painter so I'll probably look for this once it's out for download though I have my expectations set pretty low.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I would be very keen to see a tutorial from Yellow One AKA Kirill Kanaev.

That is amazing wicked skill.

Are the gods allow to teach of their greatness?

This DVD and the DarkSword miniatures one are already available.

Ordered both :S

BrookM wrote:When can we expect reviews from other painting sites? Like that dude in the loud shirts?

Here you go!

Edit: The list at 15:49 made me LOL. I'm not saying I agree with this dude. But sometimes a person says something extremely funny...

kronk wrote:

BrookM wrote:When can we expect reviews from other painting sites? Like that dude in the loud shirts?

Here you go!

Edit: The list at 15:49 made me LOL. I'm not saying I agree with this dude. But sometimes a person says something extremely funny...

Damn that fella has a really annoying way to express himself almost looks like he needs therapy quickly... yet he is quite right about many points he raises.