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They probably will replace WBB w/ FNP, but the orb's effects will remain the same in that . . they get FNP no matter what.
You say no monoliths or c'tan? Are they playing with 5E rules?

What I want is a new codex,in all but name,with all the current units completelty unchanged in any way.Lords,destroyers,pariahs,flayed ones,wraiths,heavy destroyers,scarabs,Tomb Syders(maybe those),warriors,c'tan and monolithes exactly the same.

games workshop would probably take out wbb. it sounds like something they do to our poor buds the necs. if they really thik its going to make more necron players i'd kick them in the nads.

Deadshot wrote:What I want is a new codex,in all but name,with all the current units completelty unchanged in any way.Lords,destroyers,pariahs,flayed ones,wraiths,heavy destroyers,scarabs,Tomb Syders(maybe those),warriors,c'tan and monolithes exactly the same.

Dude, are you mad or something? Necrons NEED a new codex, they are currently the mouldy old sandwich neglected and shoved to the back of the GW "to do" fridge, it has clunky rules, overpriced unit, units no-one takes (Pariahs). The fact you're at a 360pt deficeit in every game (yes, Warriors are that much of a handicap).

Granted, you are able to do well with Necrons currently, but it is an massive uphill struggle that can come crashing down very easily. It is doable and Sisyphus will think he's got it easy all of a sudden. If you're some kind of wargaming masochist, then by all means continue to use the old Necron codex, but you'll find you're in a minority of one regarding the opinion on power level.

WBB is a good fluff and game rule.It characterises the Crons as undead sci-fi skeletons and is better in game than FNP.Most armies now are either heavy mech or MEQ.As such people address the issue of high armour first,in the form of power weapons and AP1/2.You still have the same problem,but a RO is at least some chance to get them back on their feet.Living Metal,as much as I hate it,means players muast be challenged to the limit.When fighting the only other all round AV14 vehicle in the game,LRs andf their variants(Chaos included),what is the first weapon of chocie?Melta,Lances,MCs.Monolithes are one of the most durable vehicles in the game,forcing opponents to readdress their stratagies.




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Necrons have 2 things they can pride themselves on.Being the oldest active codex and being the underdogs.

Deadshot wrote:WBB is a good fluff and game rule.

Hey look, a smidge of lucidity among the madness...

HOWEVER, I daresay WBB is also the single most misinterpreted, misunderstood and mangled rule in 40k ATM. The sheer amount of YMDC threads on WBB over the years (in spite of the fact I personally cannot understand why it seems to be so hard to understand for some people) should be an indicator that it needs a new mechanic, the only similar on in the game ATM being FNP (and even that has it's share of rule's mangling), for the sake of everyone's sanity FNP is the lesser of two evils in this situation and I for one welcome our new FNPed Necron overlords.

WBB should at least be made more clear in its mechanics, although I have a pretty firm grasp of how it works I would say, a lot of people are confused by it. I would like the name to be unchanged though, would like to keep the Terminator reference.

Also, holy crap what is this.

Pariahs are VERY overpriced, VERY rarely will a player take them, I am the only Necron player I have ever even heard of who semi-regularly takes them, and that is only because they are one of my favorite fluff units.

Flayed Ones are total crap sandwiches compared to Immortals, they're a mediocre CC infiltrating unit, and actually I might take them sometimes... If they were troops. But since they are elites, I very rarely do, also a shame, but whatever.

Necron Warriors are not great either, but a lot of the time you essentially need it to play, due to Phase Out, which I think should be taken out.

A Necron update is more than welcome.

Just not the one we are apparently getting.

Lol @ this thread.

WBB is alright, It definitely could use some tweaking to clarify some points but it's still a strong rule and a cornerstone to what the Necron army is supposed to be based on.

I don't think it should be replaced by FNP as it doesn't sit right with the army, and really, If the army is based around a special rule I think it would be better to make a new special rule and have all secondary affects ( Res orb, monolith portal) affect the new rule, than try to conform said secondary affects to an existing rule ( FNP).

The only issue seems to be that whenever a codex is redone, units that were useful are suddenly made more expensive, or less useful. If Necrons had a ton of units like this, then I'd be worried. However, Necrons have very little in the way of good units when compared to other armies. IMO, only the Monolith can be seen as "good" compared to other armies. I can see how it would be annoying if Monoliths got worse, but thats not a bad thing if other unts improved. So, yes, Necrons need a new codex, if only to bring them in line with other codexes. Obviously fluff might get a massive smack, and we don't want that, but it's the rules we use to play the game, right??

They really need an update. I am excited about the upcoming release, maybe I can stop fighting bugs for once.

This thread is awesome. Either full of trolls or full of people who just got into 40k/never browse News&Rumors.

[JokeBeigins] You know what we need more than a Necron Codex? Squats Codex. [\JokeEnds] In all seriousness, I like the idea of a new 'Cron codex. I really like the Necrons as an army and their play style, I think a simple update without changing too many of the base rules that make them Necrons like WBB will breath life into them again. I'd like to see some more Necron players in the games at the shops around where I live. Or in California in general.

to be honest necrons need new units not new rules WBB keep it even just realeascstat cheats but keep the codex i love it but when the new codex is out it better not de matt ward

bazookatooth wrote:The models are just to costly (points wise) and it way to easy to phase the crons out. New dex for sure!

Only a few things are overpriced but things like Flayed Ones. Destroyers, Lords, Monoliths, are actually underpriced for what they do, and warriors are a bargin at 18 points a pop when you compare them to a 16 point marine.

deffskulla wrote:I hope they write one that makes sense and is easy for everyone to get along with. WWB has definitely made me grow tired of them. Give them FNP and be done with it...

Nah WBB is fine as a rule, they don't need FNP but they'll probably end up with both rules. Personally I'd say make WBB +6

Jimsolo wrote:I think the Necrons absolutely need a new Codex. Every army deserves a chance to be updated. Even ones that we don't personally like.

Necrons, on the other hand, aren't really overpowered. WBB is obnoxious, but manageable. The Monolith is aggravating, but it has weaknesses.

True I personally don't like them either way, but they aren't as underpowered as people complain. WBB with the Monolith and 2 Lords with ROs is downright hair pulling annoying. And I think the only weakness a Monolith has is a Str 10 anything, but good luck getting a dread on it, and most tanks with Str 10 main guns have only 12 armor.

I'd honestly like to see them treated more like the VC in Fantasy. Make it so they don't start phaseing out until you gut their 0-1 choice Lord. And then make them take Ld tests at a negative, and by how many you go over on the 2 d6 is how many insta die. But also give the Lord's more options, and abilities to bring in extra crons' via psychic power or something along the VCs raise dead rules.

They do need more variety but their points are still very fair. I'd also like to see Flayed Ones bumped closer to an actual Terminator style where they can get infiltrate and use other armies weapons as they try to 'fit in' until the moment is right to shed thier identity and kill stuff. Gives them a fluffier reason for skinning people anyway. Skin them, adjust thier bodies to fit, pick up thier victims guns...think it could work.

The lord is powerful.He may not be the greatest in combat,but a warscythe is deadly,especially to daemons,or Zoanthropes.100pts odd points?I'll take that

The thing we need most at this point is not a new codex. We need this one to get re-vamped and matched up with current rules. The biggest issue with crons is that all of our stuff accounts for outdated rules and dosent acocunt for new ones. we need to convert some units to troop choices, make a few more vehicles and we need specilized units.

Edit: the big tickets we need to get is we need to wave phase out. that is the most rediculous rule i have ever heard of. Second, i keep hearing "your individual models are getting made worse b/c theyll be cheaper, you are suppused to be this horde of robots" I mean we are one planet and a few converts, how does that equal a horde? third, we need fast vehicles, there is just no leeway for objectives games. finally, we need better long range fire. destoryers are nice but expensive. we need, for lack of better terminology, snipers. units that can fight infantry at long range and dont have to worry about dangerous terrain b/c they are jetbikes and dont cost 50 points a piece.

I guess new troops are a must.

Ward's writing it? Be prepared for controversial fluff with absolutely decent and balanced rules then.
They should have him on rules, others on fluff. Then every codex would balance out.

Agreed.Now,any suggestions for what will be in the codex?

flayed ones troops choice, infantry long range fire support, named lords, troop transports, i keep hearing rumors about crypteks on BOLS which are suppused to be mini lords for your troop units kinda like wolf guard. and an upgraded close ocmbat unit. id also like to see the old scarabs come back.

Ok,sounds decent.I will accept those.I mantain that I want the current rules and QWargear to be identical however.

I'd say you'd be hard put to frind a cron player who dosent want the warger and rules to remain as are. I like my warscythe and don't want it to turn out like a c'tan phase blade.

Exactly!Keep every rule and wargear the same,but just reword it so it makes sense in 5th ed.

And huzzah that's how you keep current players of the army happy and prevent OP fiascos like the current GK is suppusedly suffering from. lol

What OP.They cost more than standard marines,and are more outnumbered than anything.

Standard marines and eldar are usually outnumbered 2:1.GK suffer nearly 3:1 against medium armies like DE and Tau,and as much as 4 or 5:1 against hordes.

That's why I said suppusedly.

Crons need an update more than any other army currently played. They should have gotten the slot BT took in the way way back. But that would have made back to back Xenos lists. Since the Cron book went to print there have been THREE 'nids books, 2 tau, Eldar two plus a supplementary dex. The rules are antiquated, units miscosted.
All that and in the hands of a skilled player they are still competitive, maybe not a win against all comers army. But they can give you a run for the money.

nnifdude wrote:to be honest necrons need new units not new rules WBB keep it even just realeascstat cheats but keep the codex i love it but when the new codex is out it better not de matt ward

Dude, for real, break up your sentences... for the sake of us all, please.

Deadshot wrote:The lord is powerful.He may not be the greatest in combat,but a warscythe is deadly,especially to daemons,or Zoanthropes.100pts odd points?I'll take that

Please put spaces after punctuation. It doesn't take the place of spaces. Lords with warscythes are pretty good, but that's the most affordable and useful close combat unit Necrons really have.