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When GW brins out a new codex,they either crap out on what's there and and downgrade all the special rules.


This ed will probably take away WBB and replace it with FNP to represent their damage controls.Or remove Living Metal(I hear the Necron's enemies cheering).


I think GW should leave the units already there the exact same,and just add the new stuff in.Upgrade the wargear so it doesn't have to say target priority and height classes everywhere.Keep the actual rules,points and stuff the same.

Deadshot wrote:When GW brins out a new codex,they either crap out on what's there and and downgrade all the special rules.

I haven't found that to be the case at all. I cite Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar and Imperial Guard as examples. You can make a case for Tyranids, but even that would be weak.

And yes, Necrons need a new codex. They are the oldest codex out there and need an update.

Deadshot wrote:This ed will probably take away WBB and replace it with FNP to represent their damage controls.

Which, as a Necron player, I'm all for. WBB is pointlessly complicated as is.

Upgrade the wargear so it doesn't have to say target priority and height classes everywhere.

I'm not sure which codex you're looking at... but the Necron codex was written in 3rd edition, and so is already lacking any reference to target priority and height classes, since neither of those existed at that point.

vbout that.I just think that the units should be left alone with new modals brought in to accompany them.Edit out the 3rd ed rules and bring in the 5tyh ed versions or 5th ed relevant rules.

Deadshot wrote:When GW brins out a new codex,they either crap out on what's there and and downgrade all the special rules.

I think you need to read, well... any Codex that's come out in 5th edition before saying something like that. Start with Dark Eldar.

Anyway, your idea is terrible.

From the fluff point of view I absolutely love WBB. I feel like the rule's original vision came along the lines of a slow-walking, relentless mechanized zombie army getting wrecked by bolter fire, and in between the opponents fire and the relentless march, the once dead zombies resurrect and continue their march onward. However, in the interest of speeding up the game FNP would make a lot of sense.

Add another troop choice my necron friend is always complaining about his lack of options for his troopers.

Most of the time you won't get FNP,as power weapons,AP1/2 weapons,ID,wounds that never allow armour saves or dangerous terrain nehates it.WBB is negated by this as well,but if you have a RO in range it deosn't,and they are much cheaper to field 3rd and 4th ed than 5th ed.

This new codex isn't good news at all. Keep in mind who's writing it.
So basically you have a below average writer trying to renovate the entire fluff of the necrons. Honestly, I pity necron players. They've waited so long for a codex that they deserve better than that.

Who is writng it?All I heard is that there is a new one coming out.

If you keep everything mostly the same, there isnt much point to write a book. GW makes changes and adds units to sell books and, more importantly, new models. The codex will go from being one of the worst to a highly competetive (probably) one that still (hopefully) retains the flavor and feel of the army. Nothing to complain about unless youre one of those people who likes the challenge of using an underpowered army.

Remember the rules for Blood Angels and Marines and Grey Knights. A handful of them left you scratching your head and confused but most of them were solid and damn good. Now take the fluff section and burn it but aside that I'm pretty sure this Necron codex will be amazing.

Deadshot wrote:Most of the time you won't get FNP,as power weapons,AP1/2 weapons,ID,wounds that never allow armour saves or dangerous terrain nehates it.WBB is negated by this as well,but if you have a RO in range it deosn't,and they are much cheaper to field 3rd and 4th ed than 5th ed.

AP 1-3 weaponry doesn't negate WBB.

I don't think the crunch will be terribly bad, with the exception of apparently the recent Sisters "codex," which was apparently written by Ward, usually his crunch is all right, although since Ward is a crappy writer some of it is confusing and needs an FAQ to elaborate.

But if Ward really is writing it, and if the "rumors" of the codex are any indication, the fluff will be horrible.

WBB is deliciously fluffy and for some reason retaining the Terminator reference is important to me.

And Deadshot, not every codex gets "worse" in 5e like you seem to think, with the exception of apparently the Sisters of Battle, and, arguably, the Tyranids (Though honestly the "badness" of the codex is overrated). Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, all are very good codices, certainly not nerfed.

A Necron codex is needed... Although I suspect that the Necron codex I would like won't be what I will get, since the rumors say that basically the entirety of the old fluff will be being pulverised and completely rewritten. Hooray.

Bring in a couple new C'tans, more HQ choices and something light infantryish (like kroot) keep everything else exept possibly WBB and there's a good army.

I think the OP has a very personal opinion and a... limited understanding of current codex design.

It's probably ok to just accept that nearly everybody wants a new Necron book and move away.

ajax22 wrote:Bring in a couple new C'tans, more HQ choices and something light infantryish (like kroot) keep everything else exept possibly WBB and there's a good army.

Eh, I've honestly always been against the C'tan themselves being fielded on the tabletop.

I would prefer something like an aspect of them being usable, like in Dawn of War.

Absolutley they need a new codex! I have never seen a necron player win around my neck of the woods. I feel bad for the guy I generally play against, as it just seems like he always gets stomped.

Now he's not a bad general, he wins lots of games with his eldar. It just seems that even with 2 or 3 monoliths, or nothing but warriors and destroyers, he just cant win. Its usually not even close.

The models are just to costly (points wise) and it way to easy to phase the crons out. New dex for sure!

Kurgash wrote:Remember the rules for Blood Angels and Marines and Grey Knights. A handful of them left you scratching your head and confused but most of them were solid and damn good. Now take the fluff section and burn it but aside that I'm pretty sure this Necron codex will be amazing.

The ones that left your head scratching were the ones that affected the unit the most and thus the most important.
Examples being the nemesis doomfist. S10? Or no? Even as the game devs played it with S10 and Yakface with his FAQ ruled it to be S10, the official FAQ declared it just a power weapon. Then you have the nem. force falchions that people wrote entire research papers on.
And scout + shunt. And multiple psycho grenades. And ect ect.
This is before the stupidity of such rules slammed into your face like the scent of fresh elephant dung concentrated into a liquid fist.

New and overpowered rules are nice but their novelty does wear off and once you realize that there is little to no subsistence behind the rules, you just end up with a bunch of hollow rules and lower 40k army quality in general.

Yes, I'm referring to the sanguinor. Who wrote the blood angels codex again?

Deadshot wrote:When GW brins out a new codex,they either crap out on what's there and and downgrade all the special rules.


This ed will probably take away WBB and replace it with FNP to represent their damage controls.Or remove Living Metal(I hear the Necron's enemies cheering).


I think GW should leave the units already there the exact same,and just add the new stuff in.Upgrade the wargear so it doesn't have to say target priority and height classes everywhere.Keep the actual rules,points and stuff the same.

I only know their fluff is going to be r****, as for rules - pretty much to.
I also heard that Necrons actually wiped out the C'Tan and use the remaning 4 as "slaves" and that now they will start their own "civil war" between Necron Lords.
Seems that Imperium will survive after all....

terranarc wrote:This new codex isn't good news at all. Keep in mind who's writing it.
So basically you have a below average writer trying to renovate the entire fluff of the necrons. Honestly, I pity necron players. They've waited so long for a codex that they deserve better than that.

Depends on what you want, most gamers will be happy with a good codex even if the stories in it are rubbish because its a codex for a wargame not a piece of literature read for enjoyment.

New codex and no crap-dex please! I'm planning on getting rid of my Necrons, they cause more issues playing them than I have fun playing them. I'm sick of people saying they are broken and Monoliths are unbeatable... blah blah blah.

I hope they write one that makes sense and is easy for everyone to get along with. WWB has definitely made me grow tired of them. Give them FNP and be done with it...

Deadshot wrote:Most of the time you won't get FNP,as power weapons,AP1/2 weapons,ID,wounds that never allow armour saves or dangerous terrain nehates it.WBB is negated by this as well,but if you have a RO in range it deosn't,and they are much cheaper to field 3rd and 4th ed than 5th ed.

Funny, but use forces with FNP all the time and the majority of weapons in most forces are *not* power weapons, AP1/2 weapons or wounds that do not allow armor saves. FNP is a free 4+ invulnerable save that 9 times out of 10 will not go away. Those AP 1/2 weapons and weapons that don't allow armor saves usually can take out *1* model from range, that is all. Hardly all that big a deal either.

Necrons will still be very tough to destroy with FNP without trying to keep track of which models can make a WBB roll or not. Everything is resolved in the shooting or assault phases during damage resolution.

Skriker

I feel the Necron codex is fantasticly wriiten and the units are not overpriced.It,IMO,does not need an upgrade.

And that guy who always loses with them,is just maybe not a cron player.I have several guys up my way who play without monolithes and C'tan and win against everybody.

Deadshot wrote:I feel the Necron codex is fantasticly wriiten and the units are not overpriced.It,IMO,does not need an upgrade.

It was fantastically written in 3rd edition.

The units are extremely overpriced. That is an objective fact.

I think the Necrons absolutely need a new Codex. Every army deserves a chance to be updated. Even ones that we don't personally like. They should get some more vehicles, streamline the rules, and yes, provide new fluff that some people are going to like and others will not.

Generally speaking I think that most new Codices are successful. I think many people disagree about Tyranids, but even then, I think it did okay because the Tyranids needed to be cut down a little bit.

Necrons, on the other hand, aren't really overpowered. WBB is obnoxious, but manageable. The Monolith is aggravating, but it has weaknesses. The army has giant gaping flaws in it as it is, and the Codex was not written for 5e, meaning it behind the curve on some of the rules. I'd like to see it get updated. Heck, I would like a consistent update rotation. That would be nice.

Here's what I want.

5th ed rules updates
Fluff
New minatures
Everything already there kept the same.

Deadshot wrote:Here's what I want.

5th ed rules updates
Fluff
New minatures
Everything already there kept the same.

So you want a new codex then

Deadshot wrote:I feel the Necron codex is fantasticly wriiten and the units are not overpriced.It,IMO,does not need an upgrade.

And that guy who always loses with them,is just maybe not a cron player.I have several guys up my way who play without monolithes and C'tan and win against everybody.

Then your area isn't very competitive, take necrons to a major tournament and then see how they do.

Deadshot wrote:I have several guys up my way who play without monolithes and C'tan and win against everybody.

I seriously doubt that, although I suppose it is possible all the non-Necron players are just that bad at playing 40K.

Deadshot wrote:vbout that.I just think that the units should be left alone with new modals brought in to accompany them.Edit out the 3rd ed rules and bring in the 5tyh ed versions or 5th ed relevant rules.

Everything you are saying here, is accomplished with a new codex. I really don't know what your intent is. Do you want new rules but the same old fluff? And you want the same units but new models? Or do you want the old models and new models(units)?