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That's exactly the point, you should not be worried about the state of the models of others. If they look good that's a bonus. But, more importantly is what you think of your own models than what the others think about them.

Laziness is half the problem, intimidation from seeing well painted armies is the other. They should be viewed as inspiration.

Please don't ever say gray army are flavor of the month.

Call them a "successful GW release" >.>

I won't field an unpainted Mini - full stop.

I could care less about my opponents - and yeah - for the prices we pay here in Aus - PAINT the bloody things by Crikey!!

Couldn't care less, don't fall to their vocabular butchery.

Though I'll agree it's kind of confusing for the price.

akira5665 wrote:for the prices we pay here in Aus - PAINT the bloody things by Crikey!!

Are the prices really that bad? I always thought Germany takes the cake when it comes to prices across the board.

I'd rather play against a person who hasn't painted their army than someone with a beautiful army that goes around insulting people who put time into theirs, even if it doesn't look amazing. I remember the first army I painted, I did it 100%, and it was a blob IG of all things. I never got compliments, but I sure as gak rarely got anyone telling me that my guardsmen were "less than beautiful", if at all.

And saying that painting good looking models is a squad an hour is just ignorant. I can paint a decent looking Vanilla Marine in maybe 30 minutes, 20 if he doesn't have that many details, and I don't even usually highlight or spend oodles of time on washes. Painting truly "gorgeous" models take a helluva long time. I've known people who have painted models that they put into painting contests and the like for upwards of 10 hours on just one guy.

IK-Painter wrote:

akira5665 wrote:for the prices we pay here in Aus - PAINT the bloody things by Crikey!!

Are the prices really that bad? I always thought Germany takes the cake when it comes to prices across the board.

Yes, they are.

Box of Tactical marines: $62 AUD. £23 GBP. 1 GBP=1.59AUD. or to put it bluntly: $36.57AUD. We pay an extra 25 quid for the same product. Although we could buy it from an "internet freeloader" (GW UK) for the UK price. We used to be able to get it for around £18 a box.

Hence the now expansive PP luuuuurve spreading around the country.

My FLGS currently doesnt run games due to a lack of space so if i want to play a game i have to go to a GW store (GW Highpoint). Almost everyone there that i've seen has a painted army to table top standed and most of them are above tabletop level. I myself am at the level where im happy with them. I just haven't based mine yet due to the fact that i dont know how i want to base them.

The other GW store im at sometimes is GW northland and they are more stricter when it comes to what you have to have to play, at least primed. Haven't been there in about 6 months so it could be different now.

MaximusPrime wrote:The skill level needed to paint a good looking model is really not much skill needed at all. Basecoat the model, wash the model, paint the detail (even without highlights) and the model will look great. Even then, you can make things even easier by using spray cans and army painter dips etc. Painting a decent tabletop quality army doesn't take much time either, maybe an hour per squad or less. I wasn't angry or sad, but just disapointed.

I don't how you manage to paint a squad in less than an hour. I can tell I started painting my Ork Big Mek with KFF more than a week ago and haven't even finish that. Not to mention the rest of my army only 2 deffkoptas are painted, apart from that I started working on three Kans and 1 Dread and still have my boyz undecoated grey.

I normally don't have time to paint during the week and even if I do it is just a couple of hours once or twice a week. Mainly my progress is on the weekend, but being a recent comer to the gamer if I was waiting to finish my models before playing I would probably given up before they were finished.

I don't know if the rule still stands but at Warhammer World here in the UK, you can only play with mini's that are at least primed, I know it isnt painted but it's better than nothing

However it can be hard to find the time, I work 40hrs with an accounting qualification on top so I get a few guys done a week, if I'm lucky!!!

Also some people like to just dabble a little, I find those that are very much into 40k and the like are the ones who paint, most that dont paint generally quit after a couple of years in my exp.

If I want painted armies I go to tournaments that score painting.

rigeld2 wrote:

-Loki- wrote:If you're trying to encourage painted armies, stop being That fething Guy about the quality of the painting people do. Not everyone it going to be able to paint well, and really, playing an average, or below average, yet consistently painted force is going to be better than playing a bare force.

This. I've been debating getting into 40k for a while because I don't enjoy painting and I'm not good at it, nor do I have the time to devote to practicing just to get some random joe to be happy. I'll paint to a level I can, and if too many people complain I'll just write the whole thing off as a waste of time and sell my minis...

This is one reason why I don't post more of my stuff on DakkaDakka. My skills are okay, but I'll probably never win a Golden Demon. Then again, do I really care about that? My guys look decent on the table and other people (outside the hobby) have been happy with my work so far. So what if I don't do OSL or NMM or even edge highlighting?
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I think the thing a lot of people miss is that no one is born with supreme painting power (not even Bob Ross). We all started somewhere and it takes practice to get good. Paint an army and you'll find that the last mini you painted will look better than the first one you painted, unless you're just that flat unlucky or that good to start with.

akira5665 wrote:I won't field an unpainted Mini - full stop.

I could care less about my opponents - and yeah - for the prices we pay here in Aus - PAINT the bloody things by Crikey!!

Stongly agreed. Aussies should be painting their models with the rediculous prices we have here!

I play and I paint.
I won't ever field an unpainted model soldier on the table - but that's a holdover from my entry into wargaming - historicals - where it just isn't the done thing.

I couldn't care less if my opponent has a painted army, but the game will look better if he does.

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Model prices aside, you pay $1,50 for a litre of petrol? In Englandistan we are paying about £1,35 - £1,37! that works out to about $2,15! Diesel converts to about $2,25.

I don't know what I prefer... cheaper fuel or cheaper WH. . .

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Model prices aside, you pay $1,50 for a litre of petrol? In Englandistan we are paying about £1,35 - £1,37! that works out to about $2,15! Diesel converts to about $2,25.

I don't know what I prefer... cheaper fuel or cheaper WH. . .

Id personally prefer both.

But to travel to the big store to get a game over 1k in points i have to go a hour and a half(to the other side of town) and spend at least 10-15$ in fuel. If im spending that to get to the game to play at a bigger special store they should in-force something special-er..Wait,.. thats not a word.. but you get what i mean. When i first got into the hobby, i was told to really understand 40k you read your codex, then you paint, then you play. The friends i had that were all playing 40k defiantly do not have amazing paint jobs. They are table standard. One has a awesome painted army, but she is unemployed and literally spends everyday of the week painting.

I work 50 hours, study 20 hours and paint maybe 20 hours each week. I know if i had kids, nagging wife, more responsibilities, i would defiantly not be painting that much. I understand and defiantly make allowances for everyone else and their armies. I dont expect to see golden daemon painted armies, but alittle dip in color will not hurt you!!

The way I look at it, it's bloomin' easy to just paint in block colours and then do a wash.

Let's take Space Marines:

Don't glue on the bolter, just paint that boltgun metal or something... paint the model, let's say, Ultramarines Blue, attach the bolter that you've painted (let's say, classic red plates with the rest of the gun done in boltgun metal)... do a black wash. Fill in the gaps in the armour with Chaos Black and there you go, if you're real pro fill in the eyes with scab red. That's a painted mini that won't look too atrocious (I think?) painted within 30m hopefully. If people batch-painted they could knock out whole squads within an hour I'd say.


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I'm not even going to comment on how much easier Necrons (the easiest to paint army I have ever encountered) would be...

I also see completely unpainted armies on the table but hope that my painted armies will help inspire them to work on theirs (lead by example and all). When I started, back in 2nd ed, I had a mostly unpainted army that had various squads painted to different levels and no cohesive scheme (as did most at my club). Then I specifically remember playing one guy who didn't frequent the shop with a Tyranid army that was completely painted. It was the first 100% well painted army I had seen (Hey, interweb forums and coolmini sites weren't prevelant in the mid 90's) and it really inspired me to start thinking in the long term and painting everything up as an army, not individuals. Maybe those who don't have fully painted armies at the store just don't have the inspiration they need? If every other army there is just "Meh," then maybe that's all they have as a basis of quality and nobody's really pushing the envelope? Perhaps by bringing your armies (you and your friends) you can help inspire a painting renissance at that GW store?

Henners91 Wrote:
I'm not even going to comment on how much easier Necrons (the easiest to paint army I have ever encountered) would be...

I think "easy" is relative to the skill of the painter and the level you're painting to... regardless of what you're painting. The current simplicity of Necrons really challenged me.