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So here is a reason for every faction to fight itself.


Space Marine vs Space Marine: One of the forces has gone Renagade/been corrupted by Chaos and must be destroyed.

Necron vs Necron: 2 rival Lords are fighting each other for supremacy/2 C'tan are warring with each other.

Blood Angel vs Blood Angel: see above

Space Wolf vs Space Wolf: see above

Black Templar vs Black Templar: see above

Tyranid vs Tyranid: The hive mind is seeing which fleet is the strongest and should press on to consume the worlds ahead.

Orks vs Orks: do we really need this one?

Dark Eldar vs Dark Eldar: Again, should be obvious.

Eldar vs Eldar: one force belives the other to have been corrupted/is Dark Eldar is disguise

GK vs GK: Training mission

SoB vs SoB: one force has been corrupted/is believed to have been corrupted/is actually comprised of Heretics wearing the armor and using the equipment of slain SoB.

Tau vs Tau: One force is under the command of Farsight and as such is at odds with the Greater Good/training mission.

IG vs IG: misgiven orders/training mission/one force is a traitor.

I'm not sure I've ever even thought about it beyond making a joke about training exercises every so often.

The other guy's space marines are Alpha Legion, playing dress-up yet again...

My Space Wolves are a warband of the 13th Company. These Space Wolves have basically lived in the den of the Chaos Marines for so long that they -look- like them. Having to scavenge broken armor from the traitors. And to the untrained eye Wulfen look just like possessed. Top this with the fact they teleport via Rune Priest sorcery.

It makes sense to me why Loyalist forces will on time engage my Warband.

I play Tau and Daemons. I have a good excuse to fight everyone except Tau ( Why would the Daemons chose to fight Tau over....Hell anything else with a stronger warp signal(so lit. everyone else) and Tau don't fight Tau(anymore)

oh just wait...next codex i forsee the dread pirate farsight vs the tau at some point

MrMerlin wrote:Im a little annoyed about ultasmurfs fighting other ultrasmurfs, or necrons vs necrons, or imperium vs imperium. Or worse, nids and BA allying against orks and GK, and other battles that dont makes sense. I dislike this because i like the background of a battle, and if that isnt good the battle isn good. What do you think?

Except for Ultra Smurfs Vs. Ultrasmurfs, and the last example, the others are justifiable. The Imperium has a bad habit of fighting itself, and necrons vs. necrons can be the deceiver vs. the nightbringer having an argument.

Generally, most battles CAN be explained (except for 2v2 battles, they get weird). The only one I would say for sure makes sense 0% of the time is kroot mercenaries vs. Tau.


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Lightcavalier wrote:oh just wait...next codex i forsee the dread pirate farsight vs the tau at some point

Yeah But I bet the next codex will be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 7ed -_-"

What I would like to know is how you can explain an Apocalypse game. It seems almost ridiculously impossible to explain it since you have a mixture of almost every army on both sides.

Red Comet wrote:What I would like to know is how you can explain an Apocalypse game. It seems almost ridiculously impossible to explain it since you have a mixture of almost every army on both sides.

Easy.....It's tzeentch's plan that this battle happens.

or

CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED'S!!!!! awesome tactics.

Sisters of Battle are always easy to spin off on either side of the fight provided you are not playing by the fluff of your personal DIY army. DIY army fluff makes it a bit more difficult and team games will always throw a spanner in the works.

The battle could be a War of Faith against a corrupted or heretical administration. A Cardinal with enough sway could even have non-heretical allies branded as traitors for political gain. See Faith and Fire.

The Sisters could be at war due to conflicts of interest or overstepping bounds of rule.. or for hats. See Codex: Space Wolves, Codex: Armeggedan, and Codex: Grey Knights.

The battle could be taking place during the Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood where the Brides of the Emperor are defending Lord Vandire from the Imperial Guard, Mechanicus, and Space Marines.

The Sisters could be a covenant charged with safeguarding heretical artifacts and texts, which have come to the attentions of various radical /puritan Inquisitorial forces who have better ideas for the items in question. See Daemonifuge or any other Inquisition related book.

Blood for the blood god!

Annoying but bearable.

im2randomghgh wrote:Except for Ultra Smurfs Vs. Ultrasmurfs, and the last example, the others are justifiable.

Ultramarines vs Ultramarines is very easily justifiable, using the same explanations as for any other Chapter. Training mission, mistaken identity, suspected heretics or chaos taint, fog of war and confused orders, imposters, Chaos twisting their minds making them see brothers as enemies, one company working under secret orders from the Inquisition without the knowledge of the other, one company turning renegade Astral Claws-style... the only limitation on reasons for Chapters to fight each other or themselves is your own imagination.


That's what's so awesome about the 40K fluff as a settng for this sort of game. Anyone can very easily wind up fighting anyone else.

The only one I would say for sure makes sense 0% of the time is kroot mercenaries vs. Tau.

The game includes 10000 years of galactic history. Kroot weren't always a subject race of the Tau, and even now it's a safe bet that not all of them are happy with the status quo.

Or maybe the Tau disagreed with something the Kroot ate.

insaniak wrote:

The only one I would say for sure makes sense 0% of the time is kroot mercenaries vs. Tau.

The game includes 10000 years of galactic history. Kroot weren't always a subject race of the Tau, and even now it's a safe bet that not all of them are happy with the status quo.

Or maybe the Tau disagreed with something the Kroot ate.

Kroot mercenaries could fight anyone, they are hired guns after all.

Grey Templar wrote:

insaniak wrote:

The only one I would say for sure makes sense 0% of the time is kroot mercenaries vs. Tau.

The game includes 10000 years of galactic history. Kroot weren't always a subject race of the Tau, and even now it's a safe bet that not all of them are happy with the status quo.

Or maybe the Tau disagreed with something the Kroot ate.

Kroot mercenaries could fight anyone, they are hired guns after all.

Agreed. Mercenaries have a habit of fighting for people that pay them. Anyway, big galaxy, lots of warfare, plenty of reasons to be pissed at that one guy who looked at you funny.

It annoys me, but I still play. I find the idea of the Necrons or Tyranids allying with anyone to be quite silly, and certain other combinations (Eldar allying with Chaos, Marines fighting Marines) often fails as well. I still do it, but I don't like it all that much.

I've known others who cannot stand it though. There was a guy here years ago that quit playing Eldar as he just could not rationalise or justify Eldar fighting other Eldar.

Fredegar Kadere wrote:Sisters of Battle are always easy to spin off on either side of the fight provided you are not playing by the fluff of your personal DIY army. DIY army fluff makes it a bit more difficult and team games will always throw a spanner in the works.

The battle could be a War of Faith against a corrupted or heretical administration. A Cardinal with enough sway could even have non-heretical allies branded as traitors for political gain. See Faith and Fire.

The Sisters could be at war due to conflicts of interest or overstepping bounds of rule.. or for hats. See Codex: Space Wolves, Codex: Armeggedan, and Codex: Grey Knights.

The battle could be taking place during the Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood where the Brides of the Emperor are defending Lord Vandire from the Imperial Guard, Mechanicus, and Space Marines.

The Sisters could be a covenant charged with safeguarding heretical artifacts and texts, which have come to the attentions of various radical /puritan Inquisitorial forces who have better ideas for the items in question. See Daemonifuge or any other Inquisition related book.

Speaking of hats...

That's a very lovely hat you're wearing. ^_^ I love it and I want one like it - but not exactly the same of course. Where can I get one? ^_^

This has been much less of an issue since I've started playing orks :

When I played Marine, it still wasn't much of a problem... I play Crimson Fists, which are notorious for being 'lap dog' to the Council of Terra and have been used to kill off 2 Heretical Space Marine chapter before... so yeah, I'm here kicking your head in because the council of terra told me you're an heretic.

I'll always play as long as the people are cool. I prefer to do theme matches though. I'm BT and tne of my best friends has all Steel Legion models. Sadly he's completely terrible at the game and doesn't put much effort into improving, but I'll always team with him because BT/Steel Legion is just too cool. We're about 0-5 so far...

My first army is eldar so as long as i'm not fighting other eldar all is good.
However my 2nd army is grey knights and I really don't like putting them up against other imperial forces.When it happens I make up some stupid fluff in my head and all is good again.

Me and the friends I am playing with just make up some back story like one side has turned to Chaos or one side are rebels of some sort. I play Space Marines more often than I do xenos (from lack of variety at gaming club) even though I am a Marine general myself

It annoys me, but you can almost always think of some scenario where it might happen. Once you have that in mind it isn't so bad. On a more visual note though, I'd rather not play an army that looks the same as me

Being a DA successor, EVERYONE HAS FALLEN THAT NEEDS TO BE KILLED!

Works for all imperials, and when its vs Xenos, EVERYONE IS XENOS THAT NEEDS TO BE KILLED!

Any questions?

I play guard. My solution was to have my guard army represent the fighting force of the Second Imperium of Men. They are considered by the majority of the Imperium and the Inquisition as a nuiscence instead of a real threat. They are considered such because they still fight to defend the Imperium like good little guardsmen should. Some in the Imperium (most notable is Lord Castallion Creed) recognise the threat they will some day be. So my guard fighting other guard is understandable for me!

Perhaps the BA's red thirst is heretical after all...

Well it seems that there are a lot of paintball games in the grim darkness of 40k...

anyway, I play orks and I will start a counts-as-IG pirate-army, so I will not be faced with this problem, as I think it does take away some of the fun

Merlin, I totally agree, it irks the crap out of me. So much that I can't play unless I have a legitimate reason for the fight. With that in mind, I created the following table for you:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/372415.page

The fact that I created it months ago is only testament to my greatness.

Also, if it is only Imperium vs Imperium, here's one I made that has even more options. The fact that I made it over a year before you asked is once again testament to my awesomeness.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/296973.page#1610201

But seriously, I feel your pain. Hope these help.

I enjoy games much more when I have a fluff inspired scenario to go along with it. That being said, there's always a reason for someone to be fighting their 'ally' in the grim dark 40k universe.

Ultrasmurfs could be fighting any other SM army simply because they didn't paint their left knee cap according to the codex.....

d-usa wrote:Ultrasmurfs could be fighting any other SM army simply because they didn't paint their left knee cap according to the codex.....

Hahaha

anyway, It bugs me, but not enough to not play