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Nice to see GW, or Forgeworld at least, attending a non-GW event and recognising that a hobby exists outside Lenton.

2x Land Raider Proteus ordered

I've been looking forward to buyin 2 of these ever since I saw them previewed a month ago as part of the gamesday promotions

I also can't wait to see the Chaos Contemptor

They are nifty looking indeed. When you get them, can you post a pic of the Proteus next to other Land Raiders for a size comparison?

Definitely picking up a Proteus for my Carcharodons. Fits perfectly with their fluff as well, plus that grey scheme is rad. Very intrigued to see it's size against a standard 'raider.

e; and a Multi-Melta + Heavy Flamer at point blank range, give me this now. Perfect assault vehicle for my guys.

first time in years that i didnt like the FW models.
The Land Raider is a rip off and im not keen on the contemptor model at all, at least this way i save my money !

Dog. wrote:Definitely picking up a Proteus for my Carcharodons. Fits perfectly with their fluff as well, plus that grey scheme is rad. Very intrigued to see it's size against a standard 'raider.

e; and a Multi-Melta + Heavy Flamer at point blank range, give me this now. Perfect assault vehicle for my guys.

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Too bad it isn't an actual assault vehicle, still it can sit still for a turn then they can charge out ^.^

Rayvon wrote:The Land Raider is a rip off...

Of what?

IdentifyZero wrote:

Dog. wrote:Definitely picking up a Proteus for my Carcharodons. Fits perfectly with their fluff as well, plus that grey scheme is rad. Very intrigued to see it's size against a standard 'raider.

e; and a Multi-Melta + Heavy Flamer at point blank range, give me this now. Perfect assault vehicle for my guys.

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Too bad it isn't an actual assault vehicle, still it can sit still for a turn then they can charge out ^.^

That will teach me to not read properly, missed that note. Oh well, I just have an excuse to go two rounds of shooting at point blank before my Carchs charge out and crunch their boots on the charred crisps that were the enemy. It is a shame it lacks the front ramp though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rayvon wrote:The Land Raider is a rip off...

Of what?

I think he was using 'rip off' in regards to the price. Cultural barrier, there.

UltraPrime wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rayvon wrote:The Land Raider is a rip off...

Of what?

I think he was using 'rip off' in regards to the price. Cultural barrier, there.

The cool Forgeworld resin version is only $13 AUD more for aussies to buy than a standard landraider at the walk in local price. While I agree that it's more of a linguistic issue as you stated, the [Mod Edit - Ouch! Another one for the Swear Filter!] GW prices there make FW ones look a heck of alot better.

damn them, I just realised that when I asked for a relic contemptor at GD UK I was given a standard contemptor, how has it taken me this long to miss that!?

As for poseability, you can do what you want with it as the whole thing is based on ball joints. Not the easiest thing in to the world to put together but it holds steady evenutally.

I got mine in a nice running pose, with the HB aimed at an angle and the power fist behind. think I'll get another at some point and try to do a 'crawling through the brush' pose, with some kind of big ass sniper rifle, but back to the question the pose displayed in the pictures is easy to pull off.

Nice Dread!

kitch102 wrote:As for poseability, you can do what you want with it as the whole thing is based on ball joints. Not the easiest thing in to the world to put together but it holds steady evenutally.

I got mine in a nice running pose, with the HB aimed at an angle and the power fist behind. think I'll get another at some point and try to do a 'crawling through the brush' pose, with some kind of big ass sniper rifle, but back to the question the pose displayed in the pictures is easy to pull off.

Thanks for this! (And also to jgemrich and Theophony for your thoughts on posability)

It was concerning, since the one in the main pics has such a stiff and boring pose...

A follow-up question: is it easy to make the arms magnetized, or are they also ball joints? I thought the shoulder looked like a ball joint but the arms look like they might be flatter where they attach, it's hard to see.

RiTides wrote:

A follow-up question: is it easy to make the arms magnetized, or are they also ball joints? I thought the shoulder looked like a ball joint but the arms look like they might be flatter where they attach, it's hard to see.

The elbows are basically a tongue-in-groove kind of joint with a flat semicircle extending out from the proximal forearm that fits snugly inbetween two similar pieces at the end of the upper arm. While you could magnetize there, I found it easier to just put a magnet in the shoulder pad and a second in the flat piece of the arm that fits in that spot (the rectangular tab part in the linked pic below with four rivets).

Interesting, thanks. I saw a few videos on youtube showing how they did it, as well... it seems FW didn't make it all that easy to do. Having the shoulder pads come as part of the arms probably would have helped...

I'm not sure why on earth a Land Raider of any type should have Scout, that's taking it more than a wee bit too far. Without that, it's rules are ok, but a scouting AV14/14/14 transport with a multi-melta an 2 TLLC's with PotMS is just too abusive. Scout up, turn 1 starts, disembark troops, MM/LC up to two enemy vehicles, troops assault contents or other units (if the vehicle hasn't moved that turn, the contents can still assault, with a 2" disembark, 6" move, 6" assault move gives them plenty of room to hit something).

It was bad with the Vendetta, but the Vendetta isn't carrying assault troops and didn't need to be repeated.

FW seems to have lost their kilter and broken their record of relatively reasonable or underpowered rules with the SM stuff they've put out the last couple of years.

It’s interesting that CSM have been given access to the new LR (making it the first official CSM LR variant). Since it appears that FW have now begin to recognise CSM with their MEQ models and rules, I wonder if CSM will be given access to the other FW LR variants?

I'd rather Chaos get their own Land Raider variants. Imagine a series of four God-specific conversion kits for the basic Land Raider? Or perhaps allowing those HB's to be replaced by a Reaper AC (the gun from the Defiler fits in the TL-HB's slot, so why not?).

RiTides wrote:

kitch102 wrote:As for poseability, you can do what you want with it as the whole thing is based on ball joints. Not the easiest thing in to the world to put together but it holds steady evenutally.

I got mine in a nice running pose, with the HB aimed at an angle and the power fist behind. think I'll get another at some point and try to do a 'crawling through the brush' pose, with some kind of big ass sniper rifle, but back to the question the pose displayed in the pictures is easy to pull off.

Thanks for this! (And also to jgemrich and Theophony for your thoughts on posability)

It was concerning, since the one in the main pics has such a stiff and boring pose...

A follow-up question: is it easy to make the arms magnetized, or are they also ball joints? I thought the shoulder looked like a ball joint but the arms look like they might be flatter where they attach, it's hard to see.

No problem at all, happy to have had something relevant to say for once

As for magnetising, I decided against mag'ing the shoulders themselves, purely for them being ball joints though I suppose that you could drill a recess in to the shoulder for a better fit though this could be fiddly. I decided to glue to shoulder in place and mag the elbow / weapon joints instead, as that way I can buy additional weapons and swap them out without having to worry about finding additional shoulders too. Only thing that I'd say is make sure you get some pretty strong magnets, I put 2 magnets to each arm on mine and it just holds (will find out later what the strength of these is and let you know).

The only pain in the bum part is the 'stomach' joint; it took a while for the glue to take hold due to the ball joint, it kept wanting to over balance as I had it at an angle, though this could be fixed by pinning

I magnetized my entire contemptor.

It's very easy, don't worry about the balls cut them so there is a flat surface and put a strong rare earth magnet. Then put a matching magnet in the joint the ball would have went in. It works out so you can pose them. It's easy, takes an hour to magnetize and build one. Check out my thread for pictures of my contemptors (pictures will be uploaded for the 2nd tomorrow).

dont like the look of the LR

I shall be getting a proteus soon as a gift to myself to lead my pre-heresy Iron Warrior Land Raider division (so far consisting of an achilles)

My Proteus can fight your Proteus!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'd rather Chaos get their own Land Raider variants. Imagine a series of four God-specific conversion kits for the basic Land Raider? Or perhaps allowing those HB's to be replaced by a Reaper AC (the gun from the Defiler fits in the TL-HB's slot, so why not?).

Great idea. Why not both?

I'm really happy to see FW giving Chaos some love. And the potential for shooty LRs that function well as ranged units is really, really great. Two of these plus 3x2 Oblits, some regular marines with undivided icons, and a couple lesser daemon units- ouch.

I'll agree with earlier posters that these are underpriced, though. With the meltaproofing, the Reserves effect, Scout, and better PotMS they're probably worth 250 base, even with the lack of an assault ramp and reduced capacity. They're not hobbled, just specialized for one role. They gave up generalist capacity that would have been potentially wasted whatever role you cast them in. Given the existence of the Crusader on the other extreme, one could have Raiders to fill every role well now. They need to be priced up a bit to account for that. Good thing these are experimental rules.

H.B.M.C. wrote:My Proteus can fight your Proteus!!!

But is your Proteus fight?

My Proteus is best Proteus! It's plastic as well, rather than resin.


And it should cost 225 points, which is how much that type of Land Raider cost back in 2nd Ed when you could still buy it!

Here's a dumb question (probably) to you Aussies. You can buy the same plastic kits from ForgeWorld that you can from GW (Land Raider, Predator, Wave Serpent, etc). Would it make monetary sense to buy these kits from FW or are you guys still getting screwed in the same manner as buying from GW?

Well yes and no. Yes buying things from FW is cheaper than buying them here, but there are also other places to buy from that are cheaper than GW that still ship overseas.

kitch102 wrote:

RiTides wrote:

kitch102 wrote:As for poseability, you can do what you want with it as the whole thing is based on ball joints. Not the easiest thing in to the world to put together but it holds steady evenutally.

I got mine in a nice running pose, with the HB aimed at an angle and the power fist behind. think I'll get another at some point and try to do a 'crawling through the brush' pose, with some kind of big ass sniper rifle, but back to the question the pose displayed in the pictures is easy to pull off.

Thanks for this! (And also to jgemrich and Theophony for your thoughts on posability)

It was concerning, since the one in the main pics has such a stiff and boring pose...

A follow-up question: is it easy to make the arms magnetized, or are they also ball joints? I thought the shoulder looked like a ball joint but the arms look like they might be flatter where they attach, it's hard to see.

No problem at all, happy to have had something relevant to say for once

As for magnetising, I decided against mag'ing the shoulders themselves, purely for them being ball joints though I suppose that you could drill a recess in to the shoulder for a better fit though this could be fiddly. I decided to glue to shoulder in place and mag the elbow / weapon joints instead, as that way I can buy additional weapons and swap them out without having to worry about finding additional shoulders too. Only thing that I'd say is make sure you get some pretty strong magnets, I put 2 magnets to each arm on mine and it just holds (will find out later what the strength of these is and let you know).

The only pain in the bum part is the 'stomach' joint; it took a while for the glue to take hold due to the ball joint, it kept wanting to over balance as I had it at an angle, though this could be fixed by pinning

I find it interesting how posable it sounds like it is, and yet most of the ones I see are pretty stiffly positioned... I have found several pics of some that are kneeling / etc, but I guess with the torso being so large and solid, it's usually going to look pretty stiff.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Contemptors are from before the HH.
Chaos Dreads all have the crazed special rule for being confined inside the Dread for a long time...

So why (according to the new FW Apoc. Book) do Chaos Contemptor Dreads not have the crazed rule? (or did I just miss this while skipping through my copy yesterday?)

I'm not complaining, finally I can field a reliable Dread in my Army (provided my opponent is OK with it).