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Eumerin wrote:Had a stray thought...
So if the upcoming Clix ships are compatible with regular Heroclix figures...
Is there currently an Apollo Heroclix figure?

...hmm... I do believe there is. Thinking of rebasing a ship as the Apollo? I think I'd go with the USS Amazing Spiderman NCC170-Awesome... if that's the case. Apollo actually works, as would Hercules, Sentinel, Loki, Thor, Nimrod, Monitor, Ares, Spectre, Amazon, Thunderbird... and any other name that appears mythologically or outside the confines of the comic book superhero world.

aka_mythos wrote:

Eumerin wrote:Had a stray thought...
So if the upcoming Clix ships are compatible with regular Heroclix figures...
Is there currently an Apollo Heroclix figure?

...hmm... I do believe there is. Thinking of rebasing a ship as the Apollo? I think I'd go with the USS Amazing Spiderman NCC170-Awesome... if that's the case. Apollo actually works, as would Hercules, Sentinel, Loki, Thor, Nimrod, Monitor, Ares, Spectre, Amazon, Thunderbird... and any other name that appears mythologically or outside the confines of the comic book superhero world.

What!? Barbarian! Uncouth! Uncultured!

I was thinking of a classic episode from TOS!

Who Mourns for Adonais?


Apollo versus NCC-1701 USS Enterprise! Assuming that they have the TV series Constitution-class, this will allow you to have a rematch!

Again, Id like to point out to anyone who wants to get these before February...they are the same minis as in the board game Star Trek Fleet Captains. In the game you get 24 ships (12 each Klingon & Fed), along with the counters, rules, etc to play as a board game. Sure you are paying for a bunch of stuff you may not need, but it gets you the minis 4 months ahead of time. One catch...they arent painted.

Mad4Minis wrote:Again, Id like to point out to anyone who wants to get these before February...they are the same minis as in the board game Star Trek Fleet Captains. In the game you get 24 ships (12 each Klingon & Fed), along with the counters, rules, etc to play as a board game. Sure you are paying for a bunch of stuff you may not need, but it gets you the minis 4 months ahead of time. One catch...they arent painted.

Are they also on clix bases?

Oh, speaking of Delta quadrant, what about Species 8472 (One of the very few redeeming qualities of Voyager)? Release them in the same set as the Borg.

While the space stations are not very mobile, would you like to see them added in to the game? Maybe give them, at the most, a 1" movement rate.

Mad4Minis wrote:One catch...they arent painted.

What? I never heard that before.


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Good heavens, it's true.



What a bizarrely stupid move.

That pic also answers Ahtman's question.

I don't know if its stupid, its a board game, I don't know too many boardgames with pre-painted minis.

ProtoClone wrote:Oh, speaking of Delta quadrant, what about Species 8472 (One of the very few redeeming qualities of Voyager)? Release them in the same set as the Borg.

While the space stations are not very mobile, would you like to see them added in to the game? Maybe give them, at the most, a 1" movement rate.

8472 had one style of ship, maybe they could stretch the number of variations... but like 99% of the stuff in Voyager it'd be part of a hypothetical set of ships without any larger affiliation.

Like the Borg cube, DS9 and some of the other space stations would be neat bigger box items.

Ahtman wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Again, Id like to point out to anyone who wants to get these before February...they are the same minis as in the board game Star Trek Fleet Captains. In the game you get 24 ships (12 each Klingon & Fed), along with the counters, rules, etc to play as a board game. Sure you are paying for a bunch of stuff you may not need, but it gets you the minis 4 months ahead of time. One catch...they arent painted.

Are they also on clix bases?

Yes.


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Manchu wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:One catch...they arent painted.

What? I never heard that before.


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What a bizarrely stupid move.

That pic also answers Ahtman's question.

Probably done for 2 reasons: 1) the average board gamer wont care about painted game tokens, 2) it keeps the cost down...in this case keeps the MSRP just under the $100 mark...and for those who are interested, it can be had around $80 shipped if you shop around.

The Defiant should be much smaller compared to a Galaxy class ship.Guh...

I realize its a shame... but yeah, they aren't to scale. Then again being one of the first digital ships the Defiant really suffered from scaling issues in the show; sometimes its shown flying across the surfaces of ships that are supposed to only be double its size and other times it appears no bigger than a shuttle craft next to a Galaxy class... and in a couple of instances larger than the main hull of Cardasian's main ship.

I may have to 3D sculpt a defiant and print that up just to show how small it should be.

aka_mythos wrote:I realize its a shame... but yeah, they aren't to scale. Then again being one of the first digital ships the Defiant really suffered from scaling issues in the show; sometimes its shown flying across the surfaces of ships that are supposed to only be double its size and other times it appears no bigger than a shuttle craft next to a Galaxy class... and in a couple of instances larger than the main hull of Cardasian's main ship.

I may have to 3D sculpt a defiant and print that up just to show how small it should be.

This is correct. The defiant actually DOES NOT HAVE a canon size. It's the saddest thing and it's really held it back as far as getting good models made.

Rented Tritium wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I realize its a shame... but yeah, they aren't to scale. Then again being one of the first digital ships the Defiant really suffered from scaling issues in the show; sometimes its shown flying across the surfaces of ships that are supposed to only be double its size and other times it appears no bigger than a shuttle craft next to a Galaxy class... and in a couple of instances larger than the main hull of Cardasian's main ship.

I may have to 3D sculpt a defiant and print that up just to show how small it should be.

This is correct. The defiant actually DOES NOT HAVE a canon size. It's the saddest thing and it's really held it back as far as getting good models made.

In some instances its 3 decks, other 4 or 5, and in one instance 7... I think generally the best way to scale it is to look at its bridge section from exterior and just scale the model relative to the bridge size of other ships.

Like this, its close enough:

Scale issues on DS9 were bad all over it seemed. Still my favorite series of them all, though.

And a Nova class, in the starter? Sold. I don't even like Clix games, but I love the look of that ship.

This will definitely be my first venture back into Clix games since Mechwarrior. There are numerous elements I enjoy about the approach the company is taking:


~ small first set (20+ ships)
~ 4 ship starter (affordable)
~ single ship boosters -- so you can feed the habit without breaking the bank
~ The clix system in general provides a lot of versatility with abilities in a flexible format. The dial system is innovative and still appealing.
~ Naval Space Combat that isn't overly complex -- now that will be a treat
~ strong likelihood of longevity and thus support / player base
~ my friends are all on board already.

This is all, of course, under the caveat that the rules are fairly enjoyable.

Do some of you view things similarly? Disagree?

For the most part I'd agree with you... buuuuuut I see issues of longevity beyond only a couple expansions, but maybe thats enough.

One thing I'm hoping they do, though there doesn't appear to be any indication they will... and this will cause it to lose points for me... incorporating the flight stands into this game to allow ships to be across different planes... for ships like Birds of Prey and the Defiant, this would be a critical distinction in representing how they're different in terms of how they fight from say a Galaxy class,.

aka_mythos wrote:
In the battle at Wolf 359 there were 40 federation starships involved, all destroyed. While in First Contact , the "Battle for Sector 001" there were supposed to be 60 ships with only half destoyed.

First Contact had Picard show up and say "Alpha Strike here FTW". Wolf 359 had him saying "LOL PWN3D".

I agree that most boardgame fans will not care whether pieces are pre-painted. But this is not just for boardgamers but also for HeroClix fans -- and they do expect pre-paints.

I believe the heroclix versions are pre-painted. Its only the board game versions that are blank.

The other Star Trek boardgame that they've released - the cooperative Abrams Trek game - does include painted figures. In this case, it's painted figures for Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Uhura, and the new movie versions of the Enterprise and the D-7 (the latter was seen on monitors *very* briefly during the Kobayashi Maru scene). I don't remember exactly what's on the starship clix bases, so I'm not sure whether they're compatible with regular Heroclix stuff.

Of course, the game only includes half a dozen figures, so the cost isn't as big of an issue as it is in the other boardgame.

aka_mythos wrote:I realize its a shame... but yeah, they aren't to scale.

Thats one bummer I have about them. Another example is the Neghvar...according to merzo.net (starship dimensions) its about 40 meters longer than a Galaxy.

In the end its not a huge thing for me. Im going to be using them with Full Thrust, and not as Star Trek vessels, so the lack of scale is only a minor bummer.


Has it been mentioned yet whether the single ship boxes will show you whats inside, or will it be random?

Fixed 4 ship starter, random one isbn booster.

aka_mythos wrote:I believe the heroclix versions are pre-painted. Its only the board game versions that are blank.

That is correct.


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Shrapnelsmile wrote:Fixed 4 ship starter, random one isbn booster.

I was afraid of that. Oh well, ebay it will be then. I dont want to play the "did I get it this time?" game...I want specific ships. Especially since I will be picking up the board game in a couple weeks to get the fleets jumped off, then buying singles to supplement the ones I get in the board game.

aka_mythos wrote:For the most part I'd agree with you... buuuuuut I see issues of longevity beyond only a couple expansions, but maybe thats enough.

Oh gotcha Mythos -- by longevity I mean several expansions, which is "over the hump" for most CMG's. And, as you said, it will be enough to play for years from there.

Seriously, buying collectible miniatures games is like lighting your money on fire because you enjoy the smell. Regarding this game and February, however, I am in the mood for some aromatherapy.

Shrapnelsmile wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:For the most part I'd agree with you... buuuuuut I see issues of longevity beyond only a couple expansions, but maybe thats enough.

Oh gotcha Mythos -- by longevity I mean several expansions, which is "over the hump" for most CMG's. And, as you said, it will be enough to play for years from there.

Seriously, buying collectible miniatures games is like lighting your money on fire because you enjoy the smell. Regarding this game and February, however, I am in the mood for some aromatherapy.

Im really hoping it makes it to even 1 expansion. Take the Star Wars mini games...the regular one with foot troops did great, but the Starship Battles tanked. However, there seems to be quite a bit of Trek coming out over the next few months, so maybe theres a chance...

I know what you mean about lighting up the money...Im gonna drop $80 on the board game just to get 24 unpainted minis...simply because Im too impatient to wait 4 months.

I think the game will make it to at least one expansion as I suspect we'll see at least some portion of sales driven by Trekies who want to use the ships for other games... and with the next Star Trek movie at the horizon, that studio will want to see as much merchandise as possible and will really push companies with current licenses or past licenses to consider getting back into Star Trek.

Speaking of Star Wars, FFG is suppose to have a fighter scale miniature game out next year. What usually kills these franchise games are the exorbitant licensing fees that out pace the tabletop gaming market.

To those with more heroclix experiance what's the going price for these single mini-boosters?

aka_mythos wrote:

What usually kills these franchise games are the exorbitant licensing fees that out pace the tabletop gaming market.

From what I understand thats the reason we have not seen Trek TNG era ships until now...took a company with deep pockets to afford the fees.

The last time I saw this much TNG in one place was the big 1990s micro machines push. Star Trek licensing is pretty rare. That's a good and a bad thing.

Those Micro Machines were cool. I don't like Trek, but I've always thought the ships were fun.

aka_mythos wrote:
To those with more heroclix experiance what's the going price for these single mini-boosters?

There usually $3.50 / booster, which means from a discount site you can get ships for about $2.65 each.

Thanks. After as many years of 40k its hard to grasp the concept of not being screwed over with excessive prices or needing tons to play, I can't help but feel its fair. I'll probably make this a nice bulk purchase at my FLGS to help offset my online shopping.