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Shrapnelsmile wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:
To those with more heroclix experiance what's the going price for these single mini-boosters?

There usually $3.50 / booster, which means from a discount site you can get ships for about $2.65 each.

That was what I worried about as well. With one random ship in a box and 28 ships if they were more than $5+ a booster that could get goofy.

Depending on if they do the same thing here as they did with the Street Fighter set, the ships in the starter may have different ability dials, so you have a more level playing field whilst learning to play.

The other thing I'll be waiting to hear is if they're still going to be implementing rarity in the single figure boosters.

Dysartes wrote:
The other thing I'll be waiting to hear is if they're still going to be implementing rarity in the single figure boosters.

Thats my worry as well. Want an Oberth or Bird of Prey?...dime a dozen. Want a Galaxy or Neghvar?...that will be $25 on ebay.

With 28 miniatures... four of which are in the starter... that leaves 24... if they did break it down to Common/Uncommon/Rare it be something like 12 Commons, 8 Uncommons, 4 Rares... and with those numbers there's probably only 1 rare per display.

...in the old decipher STNG ccg days... greatest realization was when we figured out they were putting the packs with the one ultra-rare card per box in exactly the same place... here's hoping for dumb luck.

Dysartes wrote:Depending on if they do the same thing here as they did with the Street Fighter set, the ships in the starter may have different ability dials, so you have a more level playing field whilst learning to play.

This would be kind of cool actually

Dysartes wrote:The other thing I'll be waiting to hear is if they're still going to be implementing rarity in the single figure boosters.

The gravity feed for Lord of the Ring Clix is slated to have rares, and it is a tradition in Heroclix, so you can almost count on it.

Shrapnelsmile wrote:

Dysartes wrote:Depending on if they do the same thing here as they did with the Street Fighter set, the ships in the starter may have different ability dials, so you have a more level playing field whilst learning to play.

This would be kind of cool actually

Yeah it would...maybe generic and character versions of some ships...like a regular Constitution, Galaxy, etc and an Enterprise version.

aka_mythos wrote:With 28 miniatures... four of which are in the starter... that leaves 24... if they did break it down to Common/Uncommon/Rare it be something like 12 Commons, 8 Uncommons, 4 Rares... and with those numbers there's probably only 1 rare per display.

As noted, it is possible (likely?) that the figures from the starter will be in the gravity feeds with different dials.

...in the old decipher STNG ccg days... greatest realization was when we figured out they were putting the packs with the one ultra-rare card per box in exactly the same place... here's hoping for dumb luck.

I don't think we've seen that at our LGS with the Street Fighter feed, but I haven't been paying that much attention.

Shrapnelsmile wrote:The gravity feed for Lord of the Ring Clix is slated to have rares, and it is a tradition in Heroclix, so you can almost count on it.

Given they've only been doing single figure gravity feeds since the Green Lantern movie tie-in set, and I believe that rarity in the gravity feeds only turned up with SF, I doubt it can be described as a tradition just yet - having said that, the trend does seem to be heading that way.

I'm more annoyed at there not now being a DC HeroClix set until "Summer 2012" - but we'll have three fraggin' Marvel sets in the same period...

Gravity feeds?

Balance wrote:Gravity feeds?

Like a hopper system for display/sales. You can only take from the bottom, and when you do another falls (via gravity) to take its place.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Balance wrote:Gravity feeds?

Like a hopper system for display/sales. You can only take from the bottom, and when you do another falls (via gravity) to take its place.

Ah. Was this by any chance implemented as a reaction to people raising their chances of getting the better randoms for mechwarrior clix by going for the heavier boxes? I vaguely remember that being a problem for a while.

Not sure, Balance - with the recent gravity feeds I don't think there's enough of a difference to be noticeable without a set of scales, to be honest.

Hmm - now that's an idea...

Actually, thinking about it, the Street Fighter set doesn't seem to be in a gravity feed at al, unlike Gears of War, GL and Captain America. Assuming that poster on page 1 is accurate, then this Star Trek set won't be a gravity feed either, but will be the same as Street Fighter - though possibly with 12 boosters to a box instead of 24.

Balance wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Balance wrote:Gravity feeds?

Like a hopper system for display/sales. You can only take from the bottom, and when you do another falls (via gravity) to take its place.

Ah. Was this by any chance implemented as a reaction to people raising their chances of getting the better randoms for mechwarrior clix by going for the heavier boxes? I vaguely remember that being a problem for a while.

Someone earlier mentioned that card games were known for having the rare card pack in the same place in every box, I think the gravity feeds are a way of preventing you from choosing the box you want, as you can only reach a few of them.

aka_mythos wrote:
8472 had one style of ship, maybe they could stretch the number of variations...

They could throw in the 2-3 variants STO added.

STO adds a bunch of new ship variants for various races they can and will probably mine.

I wonder how differently/similar this will play to Star Trek: Fleet Captains?

We need a "Wesley in a shuttle" figure that has Probability Control.

theHandofGork wrote:I'm interested, but never played a clix game. Anyone want to do a rundown of how the system works?

Characters have movement, attack, defense and damage values that fluctuate as the dial turns, which is also how you keep track of damage. Range and maximum number of targets is a set value. There are colored squares on the various ability squares that give different powers, and these also fluctuate as the dial turns. An example, in the Street Fighter set one Ryu goes from having Ranged Combat Expert to Close Combat Expert every other click to represent a shift in fighting style. Many of the Hulk figures get bigger stats the more clicks they lose. Beyond that, you assign actions to figures each turn, though if you do an action with the same piece in subsequent turns they take a click of damage for "pushing," so you'll often be moving each piece every other turn. That's the basic gist. Attacking is 2d6+Attack trying to meet or beat their Defense to deal Damage in terms of clicks.

mrfantastical wrote:I wonder how differently/similar this will play to Star Trek: Fleet Captains?

Picture Fleet Captains as a straight combat game, without the board, just open table. Im not sure if the clix dials will have the same stats between the 2 games, but the minis are exactly the same...well except the clix game ones will be painted.

Dysartes wrote:Not sure, Balance - with the recent gravity feeds I don't think there's enough of a difference to be noticeable without a set of scales, to be honest.

Hmm - now that's an idea...

Actually, thinking about it, the Street Fighter set doesn't seem to be in a gravity feed at al, unlike Gears of War, GL and Captain America. Assuming that poster on page 1 is accurate, then this Star Trek set won't be a gravity feed either, but will be the same as Street Fighter - though possibly with 12 boosters to a box instead of 24.

I read from Der Spiele :
Starter 24.99 with 4 exclusive (dials) ships, rule book, two maps and reference card.
12 boosters per case at $4.99 each msrp.

Dysartes wrote:Actually, thinking about it, the Street Fighter set doesn't seem to be in a gravity feed at al, unlike Gears of War, GL and Captain America. Assuming that poster on page 1 is accurate, then this Star Trek set won't be a gravity feed either, but will be the same as Street Fighter - though possibly with 12 boosters to a box instead of 24.

Street Fighter was a gravity feed.

There were a lot more figures than in the other gravity feeds, and it sold out in the blink of an eye (I think my local store sold out exactly one week after it went on sale - and from what I understand, WizKids ended up selling out just from the initial orders). But the sales method for the figures was a gravity feed.

Oh hell yes, I am so all over this!

Q'pla HeroClix!

Shrapnelsmile wrote:I read from Der Spiele :
Starter 24.99 with 4 exclusive (dials) ships, rule book, two maps and reference card.
12 boosters per case at $4.99 each msrp.

$5 bucks a ship and they are random? They had me at the earlier predicted price, but now they lost me again.

Eumerin wrote:Street Fighter was a gravity feed.

There were a lot more figures than in the other gravity feeds, and it sold out in the blink of an eye (I think my local store sold out exactly one week after it went on sale - and from what I understand, WizKids ended up selling out just from the initial orders). But the sales method for the figures was a gravity feed.

Street Fighter wasn't a gravity feed - or, at least, not the same way that GL, GoW and CA were presented as gravity feeds. The brick was presented in the same way that the poster image for Star Trek displays the boosters. They were still single figure boosters, as opposed to the traditional five figure Heroclix boosters, but they weren't in a gravity feed.

Ahtman wrote:

Shrapnelsmile wrote:I read from Der Spiele :
Starter 24.99 with 4 exclusive (dials) ships, rule book, two maps and reference card.
12 boosters per case at $4.99 each msrp.

$5 bucks a ship and they are random? They had me at the earlier predicted price, but now they lost me again.

I don't know Ahtman, I thought the $3.50 each was a bit too good to be true for a spaces skirmish game with only 20-some ships in the entire first release. It is plastic crack that, at $5 / each I will never, ever be paying MSRP for. I can support my local game shop (go crazy squirrel) with other purchases. I agree it's too much. But with internet discount sites it isn't looking so bad.
Consider at Miniature Market or other onliners we're talking not even $4 a ship with no tax. Is that a buzz killer for you really?

Shrapnelsmile wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Shrapnelsmile wrote:I read from Der Spiele :
Starter 24.99 with 4 exclusive (dials) ships, rule book, two maps and reference card.
12 boosters per case at $4.99 each msrp.

$5 bucks a ship and they are random? They had me at the earlier predicted price, but now they lost me again.

I don't know Ahtman, I thought the $3.50 each was a bit too good to be true for a spaces skirmish game with only 20-some ships in the entire first release. It is plastic crack that, at $5 / each I will never, ever be paying MSRP for. I can support my local game shop (go crazy squirrel) with other purchases. I agree it's too much. But with internet discount sites it isn't looking so bad.
Consider at Miniature Market or other onliners we're talking not even $4 a ship with no tax. Is that a buzz killer for you really?

I dont have a useful LGS, so I do all my buying online. Also, I dont plan on playing the "I hope I get the 1 I want" game...Im going to buy the specific ships I want from ebay...which Im sure will be flooded with them quite quickly.

Considering the odds of getting one of each ship you would, and this is being extremely lenient, you would need to buy roughly 72 boosters (and you still wouldn't get one of each if rares are 1 per case). At $3 that is $216, but at $4 that is $288. You still have no guarantee that way of getting them all. If getting one of each is the goal the practical and cost effective way would be to just buy individual ships of ebay, with perhaps a case up front to get a lot of the common and uncommons out of the way, and perhaps get a rare or 2.

Chase figures (if they exist in this set) might be one per display, but I doubt rares would be - I'd guess a 6/4/2 common/uncommon/rare split.

aka_mythos wrote:With 28 miniatures... four of which are in the starter... that leaves 24... if they did break it down to Common/Uncommon/Rare it be something like 12 Commons, 8 Uncommons, 4 Rares... and with those numbers there's probably only 1 rare per display.

...in the old decipher STNG ccg days... greatest realization was when we figured out they were putting the packs with the one ultra-rare card per box in exactly the same place... here's hoping for dumb luck.

Yep. I still have a Future Enterprise around here somewhere...hopefully there's one in this set!


Ouch....$5 a box? That's probably going to cut into the amount I spend on them...damn.

Ahtman wrote:Considering the odds of getting one of each ship you would, and this is being extremely lenient, you would need to buy roughly 72 boosters (and you still wouldn't get one of each if rares are 1 per case). At $3 that is $216, but at $4 that is $288. You still have no guarantee that way of getting them all. If getting one of each is the goal the practical and cost effective way would be to just buy individual ships of ebay, with perhaps a case up front to get a lot of the common and uncommons out of the way, and perhaps get a rare or 2.

Thats exactly why you buy from ebay. As soon as they are released people will be buying full cases, tearing them open, and selling the ships individually on ebay. Sure, many will cost much more than $5, but it saves you from having to buy tons of blisters or whole cases to get the single one you want.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Considering the odds of getting one of each ship you would, and this is being extremely lenient, you would need to buy roughly 72 boosters (and you still wouldn't get one of each if rares are 1 per case). At $3 that is $216, but at $4 that is $288. You still have no guarantee that way of getting them all. If getting one of each is the goal the practical and cost effective way would be to just buy individual ships of ebay, with perhaps a case up front to get a lot of the common and uncommons out of the way, and perhaps get a rare or 2.

Thats exactly why you buy from ebay. As soon as they are released people will be buying full cases, tearing them open, and selling the ships individually on ebay. Sure, many will cost much more than $5, but it saves you from having to buy tons of blisters or whole cases to get the single one you want.

I agree, that is why I am saying at this price point I'll be going that route and not the booster route.

Platuan4th wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:
8472 had one style of ship, maybe they could stretch the number of variations...

They could throw in the 2-3 variants STO added.

STO adds a bunch of new ship variants for various races they can and will probably mine.

Yesssss, but then you're moving into a apocraphyl ships. Which I don't have a problem in, but considering there are only enough ships in the whole setting for maybe one or two sets, I see it as kind of inevitable. My issue is, what's the point of 2-3 made up variants of a species that appeared in 4 episodes of Voyager?-This isn't 40k where every faction has to be represent equally and evenly. That said, if they do species 8472 I'd want to see just two variants, one of their basic ship, and then one that is the 5 or 6 of that basic ship flying in formation for that charged attack as a single model.

I think the different "modes" of different ships is a far more interesting way to do an expansion. Having the standard ships, but also "cloaked" versions that you can switch in... or being able to switch in and out between birds of prey wings up or wings down... or replace a "galaxy class ship" with a "drive section" and "saucer section". Its all this stuff that distinguishes Star Trek ships from other ships.

I also think ships with a reputation for having significant maneauverablility like the defiant and birds of prey should have the flight stands and benefit from those similarly to the other heroclix games to represent that maneauverability.

Mad4Minis wrote:Someone earlier mentioned that card games were known for having the rare card pack in the same place in every box, I think the gravity feeds are a way of preventing you from choosing the box you want, as you can only reach a few of them.

I mentioned it... but I was talking about a very specific CCG from 10 years ago... things have changed since then and even then most card companies didn't do this.


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Dysartes wrote:Not sure, Balance - with the recent gravity feeds I don't think there's enough of a difference to be noticeable without a set of scales, to be honest.

Hmm - now that's an idea...

This is why for a number of sets when you open the box you'll find a plastic cube. That cube evens out the mass between the small models and the bigger models.

aka_mythos wrote:
Yesssss, but then you're moving into a apocraphyl ships. Which I don't have a problem in, but considering there are only enough ships in the whole setting for maybe one or two sets, I see it as kind of inevitable.

We've already seen they're more than willing to do such, too, considering how many "What If/Elseworlds" Clix they've done in the past.

Also, pretty much every Star Wars game has done Expanded Universe, is this really any different?