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IJW wrote:You can do a list that's almost all Remotes but it has several downsides in that they're all hackable, bad at Dodging and once you're Lieutenant is dead you're in serious trouble as you can't pick a Remote as the new Lieutenant.

Despite all this, I bravely play a 12 remote list quite often. One day I'll see that terrible -6 to dodge and the no prone rules go away... *cries softly*

I'm very fond of Remote-heavy Nomads at higher points values myself.

BlueDagger wrote:

IJW wrote:You can do a list that's almost all Remotes but it has several downsides in that they're all hackable, bad at Dodging and once you're Lieutenant is dead you're in serious trouble as you can't pick a Remote as the new Lieutenant.

Despite all this, I bravely play a 12 remote list quite often. One day I'll see that terrible -6 to dodge and the no prone rules go away... *cries softly*

By all means, please post that list!

Not the most effective in the world, but it looks great and is fun to play. This variant is my personal favorite:


NOMADS
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 10/Irrs: 0):

INTERVENTOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife (26 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Hacking Device Plus, Lieutenant

TSYKLON Spitfire, Marker / Electric Pulse (37 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:12 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:-6 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Repeater, Climbing Plus, 360º Visor

TSYKLON Feuerbach / Electric Pulse (38 | 1.5)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:12 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:-6 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Repeater, Climbing Plus, 360º Visor

LUNOKHOD Boarding Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse (29)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:12 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:-6 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Repeater, Minesweeper, Climbing Plus

REAKTION ZOND HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse (28 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Total Reaction, Repeater, Climbing Plus, 360º Visor

REAKTION ZOND HMG + E/M Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse (35 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Total Reaction, Repeater, Climbing Plus, 360º Visor

VERTIGO ZOND Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse (34 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence

2x SALYUT Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (21)
MOV:4-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Baggage, Repeater, Total Reaction

CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (18)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Engineer

4x ZONDBOT Electric Pulse (3)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Servant
CH: Mimetism


299 Points | SWC: 6

ARMY CODE: eNozMFQ1NlYzVDOsMTJRM4BQYJ4phGcOo8CCFmCesZGaERIF0WdsiJMCAE6BFeY= Army Infinity v.3.0.

Very vulnerable to Impersonators but it still looks like a lot of fun.

So here is a serious question;

How did the French get put into the same army as the Scotts, Americans, and Cossacks? One of these things just isn't like the other!

Slarg232 wrote:So here is a serious question;

How did the French get put into the same army as the Scotts, Americans, and Cossacks? One of these things just isn't like the other!

Because "lol French are cowards" or did you have a non-ridiculous reason for asking this? France has pretty clear historical ties to Scotland and the US. I imagine that "because they wanted to" is probably a significant factor.

plastictrees wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:So here is a serious question;

How did the French get put into the same army as the Scotts, Americans, and Cossacks? One of these things just isn't like the other!

Because "lol French are cowards" or did you have a non-ridiculous reason for asking this? France has pretty clear historical ties to Scotland and the US. I imagine that "because they wanted to" is probably a significant factor.

No, it's pretty much the French are cowards thing.

I think the great Tsar Alexander would have disagreed...

Saying the French are cowards is a seriously stupid statement to make, the way I see it, the French capitulated to what they percieved as a superior fighting force (WWII), rathr than simply fight and die, there was also a strong French resistance during that period, where many French resistance fighters gave their lives in an attempt to disrupt German strategies!!

Calling the French cowards is like calling the Jews of the time cowards for simply being marched onto trains and led to concentration camps! I'd like to see anyone on this forum call a IDF operator a coward to his/her face.

Sometimes people on these forums make the most stupid comments, really gives wargaming a bad name.

Slarg232 wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:So here is a serious question;

How did the French get put into the same army as the Scotts, Americans, and Cossacks? One of these things just isn't like the other!

Because "lol French are cowards" or did you have a non-ridiculous reason for asking this? France has pretty clear historical ties to Scotland and the US. I imagine that "because they wanted to" is probably a significant factor.

No, it's pretty much the French are cowards thing.

Well, it's lucky that your ancestors didn't take that viewpoint when the American war for Independence was going on, as it's arguable that the war would have been a great deal more bloody and long-winded without their help.

The French faired poorly in the wars of the last century, but you can point the finger at social and industrial constraints placed on their military, looking at the rest of history shows that nothing could be further from the truth.

Why the cossacks, americans, scotts and french are in the same army is explained in their fluff, tied in with the Ariadna colony ship. That said, they are not very fond of each other really.

Long story short Arianda was for the first colonization ships that was sent out to settle and was made up of sections of the great nations of the time, but was lost for a loooong time. They survived despite their harsh conditions, but still don't like each other.

That is why Ariandna's weapons are "oldschool" compared to other armies.

Ok, I'll bite this one time.

Delephont wrote:Saying the French are cowards is a seriously stupid statement to make, the way I see it, the French capitulated to what they percieved as a superior fighting force (WWII), rathr than simply fight and die, there was also a strong French resistance during that period, where many French resistance fighters gave their lives in an attempt to disrupt German strategies!!

There are always exceptions to the rules. The Resistance were a group of people who would rather die than lose everything they own, I can respect that. However, most French people that I have met have confirmed that stereotype. Note that I am talking From France, not French Blooded. Most of them have all talked a big game, and been able to walk the walk, and I know it's not just an isolated incident.

Calling the French cowards is like calling the Jews of the time cowards for simply being marched onto trains and led to concentration camps! I'd like to see anyone on this forum call a IDF operator a coward to his/her face.

Not quite. For you see, France is a country, Jews are a people. Jews are also the ONLY religion in my experiance that practices their religion as it is intended; I have never heard of a Jew blowing themselves up, have you? I've never seen a Jew saying "Woe is me, Woe is me! I have 20 friends, everything provided for me, and a family that loves me." Jews are the most respectworthy religious peoples out there.

All religions say that they will be put through hardships, and that how they respond to it will affect them in the afterlife. Catholics? Go to war, start inqusitions. Muslims? Go to war, blow themselves up. Jews? They held onto their beliefs through hardship, now didn't they?

Sometimes people on these forums make the most stupid comments, really gives wargaming a bad name.

No, what makes wargames look bad are the (Quite literally) unwashed masses.


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Pacific wrote:
Well, it's lucky that your ancestors didn't take that viewpoint when the American war for Independence was going on, as it's arguable that the war would have been a great deal more bloody and long-winded without their help.

Considering that France knew that they would want an ally against Britain (As, correct me if I am wrong, the two hated each other at the time), and it's really just a move of politics that they helped us during that war, now isn't it?

The French faired poorly in the wars of the last century, but you can point the finger at social and industrial constraints placed on their military, looking at the rest of history shows that nothing could be further from the truth.

Looking at the rest of history shows that people fought with pointed sticks and metal suits instead of Flak and Guns. Just because something happened before, doesn't mean it has a bearing with a discussion about something now.

If we were talking about say.... "Why America is making some incredibly dumb choices right now", you would be able to draw comparisons to Ancient Greece; They grew powerful and important, and then they got lazy and fat. Then they got sacked by the people they hired to fight for them.

So Greece:

Powerful
Important,
Fat
Lazy
Hired people to fight for them.

America?

Powerful
Important
Fat
Lazy

Only missing one.....

K guys, chill on the French stuff, getting waaaay off topic. Take that kinda non-sense to PMs or Off-Topic forum.

What's all this got to do with Infinity?

Not wanting to make a new thread, I figured I'd ask in here, which seems to be a thread for people who want to know about the game.

I know I have a friend interested in the game, since he loves anime, and especially Ghost in the Shell. Pretty sure I can get my brother into the game as well. I'm not too big on anime, but the Haqqislam range looks great. If I manage to talk them into starting, would the starter Haqqislam box and rulebook keep me going for a while?

How big do your 'armies' tend to get? There's quite a lot of models in each range, though I assume it's like Necromunda was - models will depend how you want to equip each?

-Loki- wrote:
If I manage to talk them into starting, would the starter Haqqislam box and rulebook keep me going for a while?

Honestly, only buy the box if you think that the models in it are ones you really want. Buying the starter box just because it's the starter box is not a great decision.

You may want to consider just getting advice from other people when putting together your starting force. Your best bet would be to build around a central theme, and the starter boxes don't really do that. Pick models individually, if the starter box presents a good deal for the models you would get anyway, go for that.

How big do your 'armies' tend to get? There's quite a lot of models in each range, though I assume it's like Necromunda was - models will depend how you want to equip each?

Average games of Infinity are played at 300 points (although you'll likely want to start smaller). Most teams at that point range between 8 and 16 models. Models represent their unit type (obviously) and the equipment they carry, but most players will generally be fairly lenient, so long as you clearly identify everything (this is important, since there are parts that you're not supposed to tell your opponents, so make sure they're absolutely clear about everything that they should know).

Sounds like I'll be better off buying the rulebook, looking through how it plays, and figuring out what I want my team to do then.

My FLGS has the rulebook in, so I'll grab it if I have the spare money.

You can also find it for free on the Infinity website.

Although it is worth the purchase, lots of great fluff, and having a physical copy of the rules is always nice.

I'll give it a download then. I'm not a huge fan of reading PDFs on a monitor though.


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Another question - is it normal to buy multiples of models?

Like, I'm looking at all these Haqqislam models, and there's Hassassin, Asawira, Al Hawwa, Odalisques, etc. Do you mix and match, or stick with one 'type' within the faction?

You don't have to use multiples of the SAME model, but depending on your list and points, you might have to just to fit that other order in.

That said, there are usually several variants of a given unit type with a different model. There are 8 different sculpts for the fusiliers (unit type), for example. Ranging from combi rifle to hacker to multi-sniper, to HMG and I think a LGL.

You can (if choosing from the main list) choose a unit model from ANY of the available choices. So a main Haqq list can choose from Hassassin, Odalisques, Al Hawwa, Muyibs, etc.

Sectorials limit your unit choices, but give you higher AVA (so you can take more of them) to compensate.

And Sectorials also allow you to use Linked units, which are very powerful.

But as chromedog said, they generally limit your unit choices. For example, I'm working on a Haqqislam force, and since I'm building it around Saladin, I can't use linked units, since he's not available to any sectorial force.

Awesome. I'll likely grab the rulebook this week, and depending on what they have for Haqqislam, I'll grab something that stands out. Maybe they'll have that Al Hawwa sniper I want. Give the rules a thorough reading, and see where I want to take my team.

For terrain, do you have to play on an Urban board? It's not likely we'll have one for a long time. Would say, a 40k table dense with terrain be okay?

Any table will do, but you want lots of cover.

Honestly, you should have almost the entire board covered with some line-of-sight obstructing terrain. 40k terrain can work, but you'll need a lot of it, and you'll need to fill the table with it. The terrain in the map drastically changes how a game is played in infinity.

Well, 40k terrain will have to do for now. I do tend to buy LOS blocking terrain by default though, so that's no worry.

I've found that making parking lots out of my IG tanks works wonders in providing some extra cover.

Sadly I play Tyranids, so I have no abundance of transports to use for terrain.

I actually just realized I have boxes laying around - VC battalion box, 40k building box, landing pad box, etc. If I feel the need for some boxy terrain, I have plenty. But I think we can make do with what I have while starting out.

Also, I had a gander at the rules - holy gak its complicated. I'm used to 40k. I might need to see if anyone at my LGS can give me a quick runthrough of a game.

Expect to have a few matches that are filled with

"Wait, that thing can do what?"

I think a better idea is put together some models and have someone at my FLGS run me through a game or two. They have an ongoing league there, so someone should be able to help out.