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Definitely see if someone can run you through the game if possible - it may seem complex, but is actually quite intuitive, and you will get used to the modifiers involved and the stats for your troops in no time at all.

Also, don't jump into the deep end in terms of points value. Although 300pts is the standard starting value, you will have a lot of fun at first even with 3-4 models a side (just a few line infantry and perhaps one heavy trooper or sniper each), and that will help you get used to game mechanics. As Fafnir says, it's great fun the firs time your guy throws himself out of sight the first time fire comes his way, or your sniper drills someone trying to run between 2 buildings

Finally, lots and lots of terrain. Go stupid with it, the board needs to be full to get the most from this game.

That was the idea. Looking through the Haqqislam range again, I'll probably grab two blisters of Hassassin Muyibs and a Hassassin Lasiq.

5 models with varied equipment might not be very optimised, but I like the models, so it'll get me painting, and it's varied enough to show me different things.

The nice thing about Infinity is that unlike 40k, spamming one thing that works isn't always the optimal way to get things done. The way units work with one another is an incredibly important factor in Infinity.

In the case of Muyibs, I wouldn't get too discouraged if you lost a lot with them early on. Muyibs require a fair amount of skill to use well, but can be extremely threatening when done so.

For the most part though, it's hard to find a model in Infinity that's outright bad. And most combinations can work, with some thought put behind them. Pick what looks and sounds cool, and play with that.

Getting started on Infinity myself. As people have mentioned, you need lots of LOS-blocking terrain, or you really reward camping with snipers/HMGs.

The site is really not bad: the free army-builder is a joy to use, and the factions all have decent concepts and possibilities. Lots of dead links on the fluff area, however.

The forums are also very helpful. Beware, though: you can get caught in a bit of a crossfire between the 'It's not your list, it's YOU' faction, who believes any legal list can beat any other and why are you even posting your list on the forum for comments, you lazy git!, and the people who think we can abuse Infinity with broken lists and our 40k-tainted minds.

The boards are great though, extremely helpful people and it's basically the same 4 people arguing about lists (although you could make the same argument that a lot of the 'trouble' on Dakka tends to come from a small group, that has got smaller since various bannings etc)

As usual I think it's just people polarising each other's opinions, and the truth is somewhere in between - of course list building is important, but it is not as important in some other games (chiefly GW ones).

So, Microart studios Infinity terrain - has anyone played around with it? I like it a lot, but it's pretty expensive.

Are there cheaper options for kind of sci fi urban terrain? Making terrain isn't something I do.


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Alright, I played around with the army builder with the Hassassin models I like, and it's 200 points, 4 SWC.

I have a couple of questions - What is AWA? It says my Hassassin Muyib AVA exceeds 3. Can I not have more than 3 from one 'group'?

What does the Leuitenant do in game terms?

Are doctors important?

Initially my SWC was too high. What is this? What ratio of SWC to points do you need to maintain?

It's AVA, not AWA.

It's the limit of how many of those units you may have in your army (it does NOT change with points levels). It does not mean PER GROUP.

AVA 1 means you may have no more than 1 in you army.
AVA 3 means you can have 0-3 of them in your army.
AVA total means your entire army can be made up of those units.

He gives you an additional order than ONLY he can use (for movement or shooting), allows an automatic pass on a single 'Guts' check on any other model (spend his order to do so), and for a handful of other uses. You do NOT have to use it, but if you declare "Lt's order " and do something, you have just painted a great big bullseye on him.

For pre-made terrain (walls, etc) no, there really isn't much in the way of cheap stuff. Pegasus Hobbies do some sandbag walls and drums (pre-painted, too) or barbed wire and stuff, but most games terrain requires some amount of assembly.

Are Drs important? Do you have any 2 wound models that you need to keep alive? Then you need a doc.

If, like me, your guys tend to get splatted past unconscious by inflicted wounds (into dead) then don't bother.

SWC is 1 per 50pts. At 200, your cap is 4. At 300, it is 6. Special Weapons Cost (weapons like HMGs, LGLs, MLs, etc will have a SWC in addition to the points cost of the unit/model. This is not added into your points tally, but against the SWC limit).

So AVA is like a FOC (thinking in 40k terms) for unit types?

So, Hassassin Muyibs have an AVA of 3, so I can only include 3 of them total in my army? Does that extend to, say, Hassassin Lasiqs, or do they have their own AVA?


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Okay, figured a lot of stuff out stumbling through the list maker. That's an awesome tool they provide for free.

The first thing that I was taken aback by was the lack of customisation, being used to 40k's customise everything approach. Like, I need to eat up one more point to get to 200, and there's nothing to spend it on, but it won't give me a 'legal' list at 4 SWC until I use that last point.

Is that normal? Like, playing a 200 point game, getting to 199 points and 4 SWC, and thus being illegal?

Several of my lists have been 1 pt under at 300 and the army builder has let me use the full SWC6 for it.

I think it's the points level you are playing at that determines the SWC you can field.

The AVA is per UNIT type (Hassassin Muyibs and Hassassin Lasiqs are different UNITS).
The army builder lets you take 3 Hassassin Ragiks (AVA3) and 2 Muyibs (AVA2) even though they are both Hassassin units (in a core Haqqislam army). In a pure Hassassin Sectorial list, you can take more of each (but none or fewer of the non "fluff" units).

ATM, infinity is a game that relies on "proxying" and converting to get the unit sub-types you want because there just aren't that many models released compared to the possible units you can take.

This is what I have so far for 200 points. This is based one primarily the models I like in the range (primary factor for me with pretty much anything related to wargaming)) and no 'waste' models. I'm buying blisters and using every model.

I have a feeling it's missing 'something'. I've seen lots of mention of hackers in the rules, which I didn't fit into the group. It's also nine points short, which is worrying.

HAQQISLAM
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 9/Irrs: 0):

GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Lieutenant

GHULAM Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (17)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Doctor

2x GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (13)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube

GHULAM Panzerfaust, Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (16 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube

MUYIB Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (31 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:15 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Religious Troop, V: Dogged, X Visor

MUYIB Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. Viral Mines / Pistol, Knife (25)
MOV:4-4 CC:15 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Religious Troop, V: Dogged, Minelayer

FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW (34)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L3, Basic Impersonation, Religious Troop

HAWWA' Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (29 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration


191 Points | SWC: 2

ARMY CODE: eNozMVQ1VbNQM6wxVTMHkwZIpCmQNIOSxkDSyEjNCEQZg+QBevIM3A== Army Infinity v.3.0.

Looks good you have a variety of stuff, and a good idea to start on that number of points I think. You can work out what is missing when you have some games under your belt and move up to 300.
The Fiday is awesome by the way, so much fun to use. Especially if you have varied opponents, in Infinity you don't show your army list to your opponent before the game in most cases, it's really funny to spring one on them (kill the guy and then use his weapon on his friends to boot )

For 9 points, why not get a couple of these cute little guys (Nasmat remotes) to run around and help your doctor?

I forgot about the remotes. I could fit a pair in and only be 3 points under.

Pacific wrote: in Infinity you don't show your army list to your opponent before the game in most cases, it's really funny to spring one on them (kill the guy and then use his weapon on his friends to boot )

Not strictly true. Everyone I know who plays fields two lists (one closed - showing everything and one open - showing only the units that are not camo, AD or hidden with the LT concealed also). You show your opponent the open list - he has to gauge what isn't there and might be based off points and SWC. And Tournaments use TWO list protocols, where you choose your list per game (thus you need to have four lists, two open and two closed).

You've got a Doc, you may as well run nasmats for him. He can take 2 of them, and it will extend his range (He can use his Doctor skill THROUGH it, and it moves faster than he does).

Welp, I've got my next few purchases planned now.

Ahh, starting a new game is always fun.

Yeah, what's actually on the table is public knowledge and the reason several of the army builders have options to print out a list that excludes AD/Camo/LT etc.

Regarding conversions, are the models solid one peice?

There's quite a few companies that make resin guns at this size, but if they're solid one peice, that goes out the window.

Having assemble alot of these I can say that conversions are indeed possible since there is multiple pieces, but it isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination.

-Loki- wrote:Regarding conversions, are the models solid one peice?

There's quite a few companies that make resin guns at this size, but if they're solid one peice, that goes out the window.

Depends a lot on the model. Most of my PanO LI are single piece casts, but the croc-men are at least 1 arm (and weapon) separates, if not both arms and weapon (which will often have the other hand moulded onto the weapon). The HI tend to have separate arms and heads. The Keisotsu butai for Yu-jing are mostly one piece, the missile launcher being an exception (arm is separate).
I can't say about Haqq or Ariadna or Combine (don't play them) and the only Nomad figure I have is a Masai who came with separate arms.

Grabbed my first models tonight - my Ghulam doctor and panzerfaust lugger (holy gak, the panzerfaust model is double the price of the doctor), and my Hassassin Fiday.

I wanted to get my Muyibs and Ghulam troops, but their Haqqislam range was actually not that extensive. They practicall had 2x the amount for every other faction.

so if i wanted something the navigates terrain well, has decent shooting and can get some artillery, what faction do i want?

Any of them lol.There isn't really "Artillery" except maybe Arianda's Traktor Muls.

Infinity is kinda like modern day special ops as opposed to large scale warfare. The biggest collateral damage weapon you usually will see is a missile launcher.

aight then, im going with the combined army since they are the only models i can get into. im interested in:

Combined Army: Starter Shasvastii (Combined Army Sectorial Starter BOX)
Combined Army: Noctifers (Spitfire)
Combined Army: Shasvastii Armored Corps Sphinx BOX

thoughts?

studderingdave wrote:aight then, im going with the combined army since they are the only models i can get into. im interested in:

Combined Army: Starter Shasvastii (Combined Army Sectorial Starter BOX)
Combined Army: Noctifers (Spitfire)
Combined Army: Shasvastii Armored Corps Sphinx BOX

thoughts?

There is something wrong with the army list you have there with your purchased products. you have no LT.

If you get rid of the Shrouded and put a Gwailo with Multi Rifle as your Lt. you will ahve a decent 300pts army list.



SHASVASTII EXPED. FORCES
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Grupo 1 (Reg: 8/Irr: 0):

SPHINX Spitfire, 2 Heavy Flamethrowers / EXP CCW (110 | 2)
MOV:6-6 CC:18 BS:14 PH:16 WIP:13 ARM:6 BTS:-6 STR:3
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
CH: TO Camouflage, ECM, Multiterrain, Climbing Plus

3x SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (14)
MOV:- CC:- BS:- PH:- WIP:- ARM:2 BTS:-3 W:1
Linkable
CH: Limited Camouflage, Seed-Embryo

DEVELOPED SHAPE
MOV:4-4 CC:12 BS:11 PH:9 WIP:13 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Shasvastii
Seed-Embryo

SPECULO KILLER Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW (39 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Shasvastii
Martial Arts L3, AutoMedikit, Impersonation Plus

MALIGNOS MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (47 | 1.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Shasvastii
AutoMedikit, CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration

NOCTIFER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife (30 | 1.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:13 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Shasvastii
CH: TO Camouflage, V: Dogged

GWAILO Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, CCW (32)
MOV:4-2 CC:15 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Shasvastii, Linkable
Nanoscreen, Lieutenant


300 Points | SWC: 6

ARMY CODE: eNozNVY1NFAzUDOsMcQgLcGkhZoRkDRVMwSSZmomaoYAHmQLMQ==
Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com

thanks for the suggestion. i will add that too my list. anything else you see is very important to own if i was going down the shascastii route?

studderingdave wrote:thanks for the suggestion. i will add that too my list. anything else you see is very important to own if i was going down the shascastii route?

I think that is a very cool list. But Infinity is not a bout your army list, is about what can you do with it.

Play a few games with those 8 orders. Remember that if are using Hidden Deployment with any TO cammo unit you cannot use that order as a regular order.
Use the Sphinx as your main attack unit. Use the Speculo Killer as your assassin, deploy her next to the possible Lt. or the most dangerous enemy sniper and kill him!
Wait for the right moment for ARO reaction shots with your main defensive troops: Maligno Sniper and Noctifer with Spitfire.

Your 3 Seed Soldiers will be born at your 2nd turn, make a fireteam with them and place them in a good position where their Combi rifles have the +3 against any attacker, try not to expose them to any Line of Fire longer than 16".


One thing that you can do after the innitiative roll is: If you have the first active turn, deploy all your TO cammo miniatures as markers and maximize your 8 orders in making damage with the Speculo killer and the Sphinx, do not reveal any other units.
If you don´t have the first active turn, make hidden deployment with all your TO cammo troops and only reveal them if you have a good ARO chance with any attacker. When the active turn comes to you, reveal TOs as TO cammo markers and use their regular orders.

Considering I haven't worked with metal models in a longass time, should I wash these before I paint them, like resin models? They use similar molds, so I assume there will be release agent on them?

I can't speak specifically about Infinity models (I only got my first few earlier this week - possibly only as pretty display models, but I'm hoping to use them to lure other players in so I can collect a proper force - and I'm not planning to not wash them to see if the paint doesn't stick), but it's good to wash models of any material before painting. Release agent or not, you're likely to have left oily fingerprints from when you put them together.

Umm I have to be honest, it's not something I have ever done. I mean to me metals have never had that slightly oily residue on them that you get with resins, but it is possible that I have been doing it wrong for 20+ years

How did the construction of those Haqqislam go Loki? I know they can be difficult some times, you have to keep the final target in mind!

Pacific wrote:How did the construction of those Haqqislam go Loki? I know they can be difficult some times, you have to keep the final target in mind!

They are all stuck to their bases and cleaned. That's about it. I'm still debating whether I should stick them all together before painting, or leave off the occasional arm that blocks detail (like the Ghulam Panzerfaust lugger, who, when built, has binocular that totally obscure the face and make painting the face and binoculars difficult to paint. The doctor and Fiday look like they'll go together better, though with the Fiday, I'm having the problem of the shotgun not touching the ground, so I might need to place something under it.

Honestly though, I've been really busy working on 40k terrain - my fiancee got my a table, battlemat and some terrain for Christmas, and I've been getting stuff ready so next time my friend wants a game, we can play at here rather than the shop. Plus painting Skeletons. Plus Tyranids.

The main reason I picked Infinity over Warmachine as a third game is I can buy 10 models, and that's it, and just spend time slowly working on those 10 rather than have another bloody army to paint.

Still though, doctor will likely be the first worked on, since it'll go together easier. When I have some progress, I'll post some shots.

Haha yes I know the feeling mate, I am in exactly the same boat.

In between doing a Dwarf WFB army it's great to be able to lavish detail on individual minis and know that you don't have another 100 or so left on the workbench afterwards.

Please post some shots when you are able, I have an Infinity blog in the P&M section which could do with some company !