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Companies more in touch with their customers give you a choice..........

Ok, first off, if you don't like GW, don't buy the gak from their store. You can get a 20% discount basically everywhere else on the internet. Hell, I bought 5 of these. So, about the price, stop bitching.

Second, about the price hikes... GW wants to make money! Shock! Gasp! What a novel Idea! They're to big to be goodie goodies to all of their customers. Except for their customer Service. It's awesome. Like, better than most companies. If a single model is broken, they'll send you a whole new goddamned sprue.

About the Hardcover rulebooks, deal with it. They're full color, much easier to deal with (Not much re-binding issues, can withstand a lot more punishment that the softcovers) and they're what, 10 USD more? So what.

Basically, you can't whine and bitch about prices, then go off and buy 10 megaforces and a boat load of hardcover rulebooks.

In fairness it probably wouldn't be worthwhile putting out hard and paperback copies of their rules books because you'd print fewer of each meaning the cost per unit goes up and the whole point of this is probably to increase the profit margin on each book sold.

Everyone expects hardbacks to be significantly more expensive, but manufacture isn't that much more costly, so it's a very easy way to make money, change to a product with a greater profit margin.

That's why all new books come out in hardback first for £20, and then are released later in paperback for much less. Not everyone will pay £20 for a book, but lots will if it's new and is the only edition available, and on those the profit margin is greater than paperback. And will be if it only costs 50p to put a hard cover on but you charge an extra £10.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Everyone expects hardbacks to be significantly more expensive, but manufacture isn't that much more costly, so it's a very easy way to make money, change to a product with a greater profit margin.

Chowderhead wrote:Second, about the price hikes... GW wants to make money! Shock! Gasp! What a novel Idea!

Chowderhead wrote:Ok, first off, if you don't like GW, don't buy the gak from their store. You can get a 20% discount basically everywhere else on the internet. Hell, I bought 5 of these. So, about the price, stop bitching.

No, I won't, sorry dear but you don't get to say what people can complain about. Whille GW offers middle of the pack quality miniatures and books at top shelve prices you'll hear me complain about it.

Chowderhead wrote:
Second, about the price hikes... GW wants to make money! Shock! Gasp! What a novel Idea! They're to big to be goodie goodies to all of their customers. Except for their customer Service. It's awesome. Like, better than most companies. If a single model is broken, they'll send you a whole new goddamned sprue.

Again, nope, sorry to disapoint your little fanboy heart, but that is just regular class customer service.

I bought a few 4 man packs of minis from Empress a few months back and one of the packs had a gun missing, I fired up an email to them and they sent me a full 4 man pack to replace the single part that was missing from the other, no questions asked, no hassle of any kind!

So the much vaunted GW customer service is matched by even the smallest of miniature companies...

Chowderhead wrote:
About the Hardcover rulebooks, deal with it. They're full color, much easier to deal with (Not much re-binding issues, can withstand a lot more punishment that the softcovers) and they're what, 10 USD more? So what.

So they cost 30% more for no reason, are harder to carry around and are harder to use on a day to day basis. They are absolutelly not "easier to deal with".

Chowderhead wrote:
Basically, you can't whine and bitch about prices, then go off and buy 10 megaforces and a boat load of hardcover rulebooks.

Don't worry, I won't.

I guess the problem is now though that these days GW has some very real competitors, and that there is an increasing gap in between them in terms of the costs of playing the game.

Un-necessary price hikes (or rather ones done just because they can) are all well and good within a monopoly, but I would argue that the wargaming customer has never had as many options as they have now, nor the easy access to them. On the one hand 'parasitical' companies like Mantic, who are feeding off GW's pricing structure, on the other hand the likes of PP, Battlefront, Infinity and the like, who are offering an alternative experience for less money.

When Rick Priestly left GW he said in an interview that there was absolutely no acknowledgement amongst upper management that they had any competitors within the market place. Until they realise that a lot of their lost sales (and I think actually their sales that might have come from growth of the industry) are going to these other companies, then no doubt we will continue to see perennial price increases, and random reduction of models per box like we have just seen for LoTR.

My source tell me there will be a price "adjustment" for the monstrous infantry

Surely they are not truly monstrous until their price tag is.

Though it'd be interesting to see how they go about it if the rumor about 6th ed sticking around for ages and them focusing more on models holds up.

Chowderhead wrote:Ok, first off, if you don't like GW, don't buy the gak from their store. You can get a 20% discount basically everywhere else on the internet. Hell, I bought 5 of these. So, about the price, stop bitching.

Second, about the price hikes... GW wants to make money! Shock! Gasp! What a novel Idea! They're to big to be goodie goodies to all of their customers. Except for their customer Service. It's awesome. Like, better than most companies. If a single model is broken, they'll send you a whole new goddamned sprue.

About the Hardcover rulebooks, deal with it. They're full color, much easier to deal with (Not much re-binding issues, can withstand a lot more punishment that the softcovers) and they're what, 10 USD more? So what.

Basically, you can't whine and bitch about prices, then go off and buy 10 megaforces and a boat load of hardcover rulebooks.

I will never understand corporate apologists as long as I live.

Brother Gyoken wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Ok, first off, if you don't like GW, don't buy the gak from their store. You can get a 20% discount basically everywhere else on the internet. Hell, I bought 5 of these. So, about the price, stop bitching.

Second, about the price hikes... GW wants to make money! Shock! Gasp! What a novel Idea! They're to big to be goodie goodies to all of their customers. Except for their customer Service. It's awesome. Like, better than most companies. If a single model is broken, they'll send you a whole new goddamned sprue.

About the Hardcover rulebooks, deal with it. They're full color, much easier to deal with (Not much re-binding issues, can withstand a lot more punishment that the softcovers) and they're what, 10 USD more? So what.

Basically, you can't whine and bitch about prices, then go off and buy 10 megaforces and a boat load of hardcover rulebooks.

I will never understand corporate apologists as long as I live.

Apologist? nay.

Realist? Yay. GW has outrageous prices and butchered the hobby in my area by pulling all GW stores in NE America. We have a love-hate relationship, me and Gee Dubs.

Brother Gyoken wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Ok, first off, if you don't like GW, don't buy the gak from their store. You can get a 20% discount basically everywhere else on the internet. Hell, I bought 5 of these. So, about the price, stop bitching.

Second, about the price hikes... GW wants to make money! Shock! Gasp! What a novel Idea! They're to big to be goodie goodies to all of their customers. Except for their customer Service. It's awesome. Like, better than most companies. If a single model is broken, they'll send you a whole new goddamned sprue.

About the Hardcover rulebooks, deal with it. They're full color, much easier to deal with (Not much re-binding issues, can withstand a lot more punishment that the softcovers) and they're what, 10 USD more? So what.

Basically, you can't whine and bitch about prices, then go off and buy 10 megaforces and a boat load of hardcover rulebooks.

I will never understand corporate apologists as long as I live.

What's not to understand? You think I'm dumb and I think you're dumb.

This entire conversation, this entire train of thought, that GW is Malign but then that GW is just a company tryin' ta turn a buck... it's like listening to Christians and Atheists.

The point is, NEITHER OF YOU are ever going to agree. Neither of you are ever going to find a compromise. I'm sure our friend Chowderhead here hates the price rises as much as the next person, but he respects the fact that GW isn't here to do our bidding - they're here to make a profit. They will do what they want, and you have no say.

If you truly harbour this much resentment for the game you play and the price you pay, then have your say and give GW the bird. [Yes, the rhyme was intentional.] Don't buy their stuff anymore. Chowderhead is quite right when he says this group of people who cry about the price while they sit behind their desk clipping their new land raider off the sprue.

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Noone is ever going to force you to.

I know I'm white-knighting here, but for gods sake this argument is stupid. If you want to complain, I [I hope we] respect your respective right to do so, but don't expect it to go unnoticed or unattacked.

I suppose in the end, what I want us all to do... is, just get along. Knock some heads and complain about the real issue: Why this codex or that codex become overpowered as a result of x.

PP currently give you a choice of Hardback or Softback - too much to ask of the biggest company to offer the same choice ?

Dynamix wrote:PP currently give you a choice of Hardback or Softback - too much to ask of the biggest company to offer the same choice ?

Now you're just sounding needy

Dynamix wrote:PP currently give you a choice of Hardback or Softback - too much to ask of the biggest company to offer the same choice ?

Yes, yes it is too hard.

Dynamix wrote:PP currently give you a choice of Hardback or Softback - too much to ask of the biggest company to offer the same choice ?

Yes its too hard because....

To we buyers, the price GW set between the 2 are astronomic.
But realistically, the cost for GW to make soft cover would be like $3, and hard cover being $3.50

Now why would GW want that hassle? Instead, who wouldn't rather add 50 cents to get $15 extra of selling hard cover.

People need to start looking at GW and how they do things from a completely different perspective.

Hard covers are more expensive but if given the choce i would choose hard covers for codexes.

Last time I checked with PP books, there isn’t too much of a difference between the Soft vs Hard cover versions. The only big difference IMO is that the Soft cover versions tend to be more available stock wise than the hard cover version. You really have to shop around to get the hard cover books (I personally recommend getting the army books in hard cover).

I can see the downside to GW hardcover books in that with their ridiculous and arbitrary pricing, they’ll be significantly more expensive. Even still, if GW were to offer both hard and soft, they would probably increase the base price of the soft cover version. Personally I have a theory that GW’s current strategy is to “disguise” price rises in supposedly higher quality products (e.g. Finecast, Hardcover etc).

What is worse is when your FLGS is more expensive than the online store...

DeadlySquirrel wrote:What is worse is when your FLGS is more expensive than the online store...

I know. I love my local store. they are nice, friendly and all around good guys. But they have the same precises as GW. But i want to support them because it is owned and it pumps more money into our local economy. But the problem is we voted in new sales taxes not long ago. so we are charge quite a bit in tax.

The thing with a normal FLGS is they don't really get the huge extra revenue from online sales. They need to cover 100% of their operating costs from what they sell in the store, which comes from primarily people in the area, which is why not many offer a large discount on GW products. While they get a good portion of their sales from GW stuff, they just can't afford to lower the prices.

Online stores potentially get sales worldwide (though I don't see why, say, someone from the US would order from Australia, but I bet it's happened), and have less overhead. They offer a larger discount simply because they can.

That said, I still recommend getting anything possible from your FLGS. It goes into making the store better (well, if it's a store worth making better), which helps the gaming community.

The only reason why they are doing a price hike is because they are getting less consumers. So when demand decreases prices increases.
GW is slowing drinking the poison bottle. Which will lead to its inevitable doom.
On the other hand FFG is too much fun and I want more of their stuff.

I just looked at some prices. 10 Imperial Guardsmen from GW...29.00.

10 Cygnar Long Gunners from PP.....49.99
10 Cygnar Trencher Infantry.....54.99

Damn GW and their high prices. I should make the switch to PP.

Yeh, the prices are expensive at pp, but you only need 10-15 guys on the table. So with guardsmen you need what over 100 or if you go vehicles 9+. So making the switch to pp is better and their rules are better aswell.


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I also think people should play the game before bagging it out as warmachine is alot of fun. You can also start playing the game with 65 dollars(australian). That's how much their starter set is. To make an army with gw you need 1000+ dollars.

It’s also worth noting that PP does not use regional pricing like GW and they cost the same wherever you buy them. A $10-20 purchase in WM/H has a much bigger impact than in GW (where a single HQ or heavy support choice can cost $100). Also when PP move a product to plastic, the product is made cheaper instead of more expensive (like Finecast lol).

KGatch113 wrote:

I just looked at some prices. 10 Imperial Guardsmen from GW...29.00.

10 Cygnar Long Gunners from PP.....49.99
10 Cygnar Trencher Infantry.....54.99

Damn GW and their high prices. I should make the switch to PP.

You are right. Now let's complete the armies shall we?

Those Cygnar models would need maybe 4 more models to make a standard 35 point army.

Those 10 guardsmen would need 4 more models to make a standard 1500 point army.

Well, color me blind, I guess a table top ready 1500 point GW IG army is the same as a table top ready 35 point Cygnar army! WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK??????

BuFFo wrote:

KGatch113 wrote:

I just looked at some prices. 10 Imperial Guardsmen from GW...29.00.

10 Cygnar Long Gunners from PP.....49.99
10 Cygnar Trencher Infantry.....54.99

Damn GW and their high prices. I should make the switch to PP.

You are right. Now let's complete the armies shall we?

Those Cygnar models would need maybe 4 more models to make a standard 35 point army.

Those 10 guardsmen would need 4 more models to make a standard 1500 point army.

Well, color me blind, I guess a table top ready 1500 point GW IG army is the same as a table top ready 35 point Cygnar army! WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK??????

He's trollin'. I guarantee he already knows this.

$1100 (NZD) for 2 codexes i super glue 19 paints 1 rule book and about 2.5k points of models (15 lychguard 24 cron warriors and 6 scarabs. 1 cryptek and 2 overlords. then a daemon prince and a csm battle force (15 csm's 8 khrone zerkers 5 possessed 1 chaos rhino) oh and 2 fine detail brushes 1 normal size one 1 small drybrush and one stipling brush.

so my little cousin wanted to start an army. he gets $5 a week. thats about 60 weeks saving. if you include christmas and birthday money if he said he wanted just money then he might only have to save about um... 20 weeks. whats the point

hmm maybe everyone at dakka should chip in and start a non profit shop selling the models for not much more than purchase price for retailers. bring the hobby back to the people.

HI all.
GW plc is a corperate buisness that has every right to price its products how it wants and pay as much dividends to share holders as it can justify.

However, many games companies , actualy listen to what thier customer want ,and care about how the customers view thier company /game/products.

They DOUBLE the model count for the SAME price , when they switch from expencive white metal to cheaper resin/plastic.(Mantic.)

They produce a massed combat game and price minatures apropriately ,(Lots of plastic minatures at a reasonable price.) (Mantic.)

They give away rules and army composition lists FREE with army boxed sets ,(£89 to £200)(Mantic.)

They give away a FREE new mini rules book, (to customers with the old hard back rules.) when the new edition is released.(BF)

They NEVER invalidate any army lists .(BF)

They produce a skirmish game with easy entry .(Too many to mention by name...)

In short they try to offer EASILY identified value for money.

This is not price per minature.BUT price to have a 'full army' and 'play the proper game'.

While GW plc competitors try to offer the very best value for money they possible can .

GWplc seem focused on squeesing as much money as it can from its ever shrinking customer base.

KGatch113 wrote:

I just looked at some prices. 10 Imperial Guardsmen from GW...29.00.

10 Cygnar Long Gunners from PP.....49.99
10 Cygnar Trencher Infantry.....54.99

Damn GW and their high prices. I should make the switch to PP.

As pointed out. 35 points which is respectable for those prices.

Now look at a 1500 point IG army.

Let's make it up entirely of Guardsmen.

Approx. 6 points a piece with no upgrades.

So you g et 60 points per box.

1500/60 = 25 boxes.

Enjoy.

Lanrak wrote:HI all.
GW plc is a corperate buisness that has every right to price its products how it wants and pay as much dividends to share holders as it can justify.

Im going to quote micheal moore here a little. If all they cared about was money they would be selling cocaine.
Obviously the people who work at GW are passionate about wargame. But they are hurting it. Think of GW as a gateway company. they are the biggest and most helpful. they are what get allot of people into a hobby,into a store and then open up a wide world of minis to them. But with high prices som people might never get into it.