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Let me chime in here on why I do not like Origin:

With Steam, I can have a "U.S." account, but am physically in Germany... This is absolutely no problem, because they enter a generic "billing address" screen that allows me to purchase games no matter where I am.

This is not the case with Origin. I attempted to purchase SWTOR, and having a "U.S." account apparently didn't matter because no matter how I entered the URL, I was redirected to the Eurozone store, which for some reason or other will not allow a U.S. account to enter items into the cart for purchase (and eventual conversion back to the US site for payment)

So, because they can't seem to understand that a physical location is not always matching to the account, and make it so that people can buy games no matter where they are, they won't get my business.

Plus, as it's already been said, I have Steam and I dont want ANOTHER program like it on my computer.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So, because they can't seem to understand that a physical location is not always matching to the account, and make it so that people can buy games no matter where they are, they won't get my business.

Its about the variance in law, and, more importantly, the variation in currency value.

dogma wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So, because they can't seem to understand that a physical location is not always matching to the account, and make it so that people can buy games no matter where they are, they won't get my business.

Its about the variance in law, and, more importantly, the variation in currency value.

Yes, but if I am logging in to a US account, I should be able to connect to the US store, not automatically redirected to the "local" version. Steam does it more correctly, and does not require regional affiliations to use its product.

I find the whole "I hate Origin, we must kill it with fire" laughable at best.

Now I am not an EA fanboy before somebody says I am, I do not agree with everything they do.

Quite alot of people seem to be throwing the running program/system resource argument, well guess what, you can turn Origin off! When you want to play say BF3, ME3 or any Origin based game then turn it on and after playing turn it off.

I really can't see why Origin is getting so much hate, apart from the fact its made by the "sinister evil" that is EA.

I remember the initial hate for Steam (I think it's still floating around) but in the end - who cares.

Well I suppose a good question to ask here is: what are the pro's and con's of Origin? I've personally seen it as EA's plan to hang onto profits by selling their own games at their own prices, rather than potential discounts on Steam.

It screwed my PC over a little, not sure what it was doing resource wise, but my computer ran slow as feth with it on. Only installed it because Sims 3 said it was required, which I then discovered it wasn't.
Took it off my system, and it ran much better straight away.

Of course I'm getting ME3 on the xbox anyways, but as we where discussing Origin, I thought I'd throw my little note into the ring.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It screwed my PC over a little, not sure what it was doing resource wise, but my computer ran slow as feth with it on. Only installed it because Sims 3 said it was required, which I then discovered it wasn't.
Took it off my system, and it ran much better straight away.

See I too was under the impression you needed Origin for Sims 3 (I curse my partner for buyin all the expansions and stuff packs, its a pain to reinstall em), however I didn't get a massive resource hit so I kept it on my system as it may come in useful.

I have an Xbox. I have a disc.

johnscott10 wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It screwed my PC over a little, not sure what it was doing resource wise, but my computer ran slow as feth with it on. Only installed it because Sims 3 said it was required, which I then discovered it wasn't.
Took it off my system, and it ran much better straight away.

See I too was under the impression you needed Origin for Sims 3 (I curse my partner for buyin all the expansions and stuff packs, its a pain to reinstall em), however I didn't get a massive resource hit so I kept it on my system as it may come in useful.

I must admit I've not brought the last two expansion packs, as I've been playing the xbox version for laughs and achievements. So I may come a cropper when I finally go back and try to add them, but it gave the impression the game wouldn't run at all without origin, but my Sims 3 on the PC has been running fine.

I checked after I took off origins, and have played it a couple of times since. Pretty sure it did an update as well.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:I've personally seen it as EA's plan to hang onto profits by selling their own games at their own prices, rather than potential discounts on Steam.

Yup.

On that note, it should not be forgotten that it's still possible to buy games elsewhere and simply enter the key in Origin, though. For example, GamersGate sells ME3 for $48, whereas Origin wants to have $63 (prices converted from EU). So, whilst Origin will probably become a factor making it less likely for me to buy EA games, I will make exceptions for titles I badly want (BF3, ME3). That said, I see no reason why I should not purchase them elsewhere whenever possible - and as exemplified, you can still save money that way.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yes, but if I am logging in to a US account, I should be able to connect to the US store, not automatically redirected to the "local" version. Steam does it more correctly, and does not require regional affiliations to use its product.

Steam isn't fully optimized for making money.


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Ovion wrote:I remember the initial hate for Steam (I think it's still floating around) but in the end - who cares.

There is some legitimate hate for Steam, mostly that its somewhat clunky in terms of operating speed.

dogma wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yes, but if I am logging in to a US account, I should be able to connect to the US store, not automatically redirected to the "local" version. Steam does it more correctly, and does not require regional affiliations to use its product.

Steam isn't fully optimized for making money.

I wasnt suggesting that Steam is "optimized" for making money, however they do offer a somewhat superior service for its customers, especially when compared to Origin.

My reasoning behind hating origin is simple. The original agreement that you signed. It was written so poorly and offensively, there was a massive outcry to get it changed. Said outcry was so loud it made a company as large as EA actually revise it.

Now it's basically like them saying "our bad" and expecting people to forget they tried a stunt like that.

Yeah, no.

Necroshea wrote:My reasoning behind hating origin is simple. The original agreement that you signed. It was written so poorly and offensively, there was a massive outcry to get it changed. Said outcry was so loud it made a company as large as EA actually revise it.

It's not EA's fault that no one read the EULA properly. There was nothing wrong with the original wording. People assumed it meant something that it didn't and went crazy. EDIT: More oddly, it was the exact same EULA they've used since 2007.

The main reason so many people hate Origin is yellow journalism. Which, yes, extends to games journalism.

I'm getting it on xbox, from amazon.

My recently purchased PS3 will be loving up ME3 come March and will be powering itself over the tears of those PC gamers who want ME3 but hate Origin too much.

What about us PC Gamers who also have a 360 and a PS3?

And I don't even want Mass Effect 3.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:My recently purchased PS3 will be loving up ME3 come March and will be powering itself over the tears of those PC gamers who want ME3 but hate Origin too much.

Yeah except for the fact that you're not gonna get the whole experience of playing through all 3 games and seeing even your most minute choices being mentioned and effecting the story.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:My recently purchased PS3 will be loving up ME3 come March and will be powering itself over the tears of those PC gamers who want ME3 but hate Origin too much.

Don't be so naive about pirates.

Also funny when you consider that the PS3 ports of Bioware games have all been glitchy and oddly crappier looking. That there is some irony

I'm not getting it either tho. I didn't like DA2 or ME2. I'm done with Bioware. They are dead to me *cries*

Aye, I have two characters who went through one and two ready for launch. Another character halfway through one who probably won't get done in time, and another two playing just through two who might.

Although I was surprised when I noted they'd given the xbox ME2 users 'Genesis' as a DLC. I'd missed that compleately somehow, and downloaded it straight away starting the second character on Saturday just gone.

On a side note, did anyone order a CE? I got one the day they went on sale at GAME, just wondering if anyone else grabbed one.

LordofHats wrote:Also funny when you consider that the PS3 ports of Bioware games have all been glitchy and oddly crappier looking.

I mean, the current generation of consoles is what, 6 years old?

Bleak_Fantasy wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:My recently purchased PS3 will be loving up ME3 come March and will be powering itself over the tears of those PC gamers who want ME3 but hate Origin too much.

Yeah except for the fact that you're not gonna get the whole experience of playing through all 3 games and seeing even your most minute choices being mentioned and effecting the story.

Oh darn, us PS3 players miss out on seeing some minuscule choices from ME1 not showing up in ME3. PS3 still got ME2, and it came with the Genesis DLC so players could set what major decisions were chosen from ME1.

And besides, as Necroshea said, if any (and I'd be hard-pressed to find even one) PS3 Mass Effect players are really interested in seeing said choices come through, there's always sailing those scurvy seas for a PC copy of all three games.

LordofHats wrote:I'm not getting it either tho. I didn't like DA2 or ME2. I'm done with Bioware. They are dead to me *cries*

How dare they streamline combat and get rid of unnecessary inventory menus and items.

Bleak_Fantasy wrote:How dare they streamline content and get rid of unnecessary inventory menus and items.

How dare they turn RPG's into action games and continue to call them RPGs!

They could at least write a decent story XD

Locclo wrote:Oh darn, us PS3 players miss out on seeing some minuscule choices from ME1 not showing up in ME3. PS3 still got ME2, and it came with the Genesis DLC so players could set what major decisions were chosen from ME1.

I always love the argument that by not playing ME1 you aren't getting the full experience.

Playing ME 1 is painful after playing ME 2. It's not something I'd care to repeat - there's a reason PC players download saves with the choices they want for ME 2. PS3 players can just run through that DLC if they want to set up a new character. While both of these methods lose out on some tiny, meaningless choices in ME1 that result in a character saying hi as you walk past in ME 2 and 3, those aren't worth playing through the 10-15 hours of ME 1 every time you want a 'personalised' character.

Regarding Origin, I still buy my PC games on disk. So yeah.

LordofHats wrote:

Bleak_Fantasy wrote:How dare they streamline content and get rid of unnecessary inventory menus and items.

How dare they turn RPG's into action games and continue to call them RPGs!

They could at least write a decent story XD

Umm its called action RPG. There is a lot more role-playing in ME2 then any generic Jap-Anime Grindfest.

Bleak_Fantasy wrote:[Umm its called action RPG. There is a lot more role-playing in ME2 then any generic Jap-Anime Grindfest.

A lot less angst too. EDIT: Except Jack. Jack pretty much ran on angst XD