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http://gamingbolt.com/origin-is-required-for-all-pc-editions-of-mass-effect-3

Whelp, there goes that pre order, as well as the eventual purchase.

They really don't want games to sell huh?

Bad enough I had to use origin to get a digital copy of swtor, now ME3? I've never been very fond of EA as a company, but I like their games. Now they make a crappy steam clone for their future games...why...

Obrek wrote:Bad enough I had to use origin to get a digital copy of swtor, now ME3? I've never been very fond of EA as a company, but I like their games. Now they make a crappy steam clone for their future games...why...

Protest with your wallet, it's the only thing to do. As much as I love BF3 and as badly as I want to play it, I absolutely refuse to support EA and thus I will not be downloading origin, ergo no BF3.

I can't help but wonder who they get these famously bad ideas from.

They're probably thinking Steam works, why can't they get in on that wthout the middle man.

I'll be buying it on Xbox anyway so it hardly matters.

Another brilliant marketing decision from a publisher.

And they wonder why people pirate their games

I already use Origin, so this doesn't affect me either way.

I'm playing ME3 on PS3, so I couldn't care less.

Honestly, what's everyone's beef with Origin? I use it for other games (notably Spore, Darkspore, and Dragon Age) and I've never had issues with it.

It's made by EA and people are afraid of change?

EDIT: /sarcasm

Locclo wrote:I'm playing ME3 on PS3, so I couldn't care less.

Honestly, what's everyone's beef with Origin? I use it for other games (notably Spore, Darkspore, and Dragon Age) and I've never had issues with it.

Supposedly it has had many issues with customer service and download issues, but it may just be the bandwagon I'm hearing rolling on...

Locclo wrote:I'm playing ME3 on PS3, so I couldn't care less.

Honestly, what's everyone's beef with Origin? I use it for other games (notably Spore, Darkspore, and Dragon Age) and I've never had issues with it.

It might be that Origin sweeps through your system without restrictions, collects info about everything you do, to be sold to EA's "associates."

Because EA totally wants to know the contents of your English homework.

I always wondered why EA wouldn't look into some of the client issues they had with DAO DLC not working, and then they announced Origin.

That said, I'll still buy ME3 as I need Origin to fix DAO.


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Nerivant wrote:
It might be that Origin sweeps through your system without restrictions, collects info about everything you do, to be sold to EA's "associates."

Email harassment, the prime objection, is easy to evade.

Create account. Use account to open an Origin account. Delete email account.

LordofHats wrote:Because EA totally wants to know the contents of your English homework.

Right, they're definitely not looking for what programs I install, remove, my internet history, etc. etc.

dogma wrote:

Nerivant wrote:
It might be that Origin sweeps through your system without restrictions, collects info about everything you do, to be sold to EA's "associates."

Email harassment, the prime objection, is easy to evade.

Create account. Use account to open an Origin account. Delete email account.

Wait, what? When did I talk about email harassment? I'm talking about Origin collecting data while it runs.

Nerivant wrote:Right, they're definitely not looking for what programs I install, remove, my internet history, etc. etc.

I explained this months ago. Everyone does that. EA did it before Origin launched. Tracking where you go on the net is pretty much the sole purpose of about most internet cookies. Steam has done the same thing for years. Uplay does it. Logitech has done it since the early thousands. Intel does it. Nvidia does it. Your ISP does it. EA isn't reinventing the wheel.

Furthermore, why should you care? It's not like they're collecting your social security number and taking credit cards in your name to fund the Bioware team's drug habit (which produced the wonderful story given in DA2!). This has been going on and increasing in prevalence since the late 90's. It's a little late to cry foul now.

You didn't, I'm talking about what others have spoken to regarding the problem with data collection.

Then again, I don't care too much about data collection at all, because I can keep business to one computer, and pleasure to another (Insert porn joke.).

My only real objection to Origin is that its one more client I need on my computer.

dogma wrote: (Insert porn joke.).

Inserting!

My only real objection to Origin is that its one more client I need on my computer.

Ditto.

LordofHats wrote:

Nerivant wrote:Right, they're definitely not looking for what programs I install, remove, my internet history, etc. etc.

I explained this months ago. Everyone does that. EA did it before Origin launched. Tracking where you go on the net is pretty much the sole purpose of about most internet cookies. Steam has done the same thing for years. Uplay does it. Logitech has done it since the early thousands. Intel does it. Nvidia does it. Your ISP does it. EA isn't reinventing the wheel.

Furthermore, why should you care? It's not like they're collecting your social security number and taking credit cards in your name to fund the Bioware team's drug habit (which produced the wonderful story given in DA2!). This has been going on and increasing in prevalence since the late 90's. It's a little late to cry foul now.

I don't care, because I don't, and won't, use Origin. I'm not going to knowingly allow a program to comb through every file stored on my computer looking for information to sell.

Nerivant wrote:I don't care, because I don't, and won't, use Origin. I'm not going to knowingly allow a program to comb through every file stored on my computer looking for information to sell.

Because information collected in the aggregate which is then sold to third parties harms you.

Wait... what?

EDIT: I'd almost guarantee everyone who uses this site probably has at least one program on their comp that's not origin that is scanning for what what programs are installed and how they are used. I'll definitely promise you your cookie box is probably full of mostly tracker cookies and that your ISP sells your internet activity monthly. Origin is a drop of water in a barrel.

LordofHats wrote:

Nerivant wrote:I don't care, because I don't, and won't, use Origin. I'm not going to knowingly allow a program to comb through every file stored on my computer looking for information to sell.

Because information collected in the aggregate which is then sold to third parties harms you.

Wait... what?

Are you... trying to convince me to install Origin on the basis that the information collected won't harm me?

I'm really not sure, with how you word these things.

Nerivant wrote:Are you... trying to convince me to install Origin on the basis that the information collected won't harm me?

No. I'm saying that all the outcry about Origin's "sinister" purpose is a little absurd. I hate Origin about as much as I hate most of EA's decisions.

It's a shoddy program used by EA to make money that wastes an absurd amount of resources combing through my files to make EA more money.

We must have differing definitions of sinister.

Nerivant wrote:It's a shoddy program used by EA to make money that wastes an absurd amount of resources combing through my files to make EA more money.

That's a legitimate complaint because it is a annoying program that burns up RAM when you're trying to do something (and Steam will always be better *raises fist in nerd loyalty*). I only draw issue with the complaints of "EA is stealing your personal files" which is 1. Absurd and untrue. EA has no interest in your personal files and neither does anyone else. 2. Its been going on for years at the hands of a lot more than EA so crying about it now is just ridiculous.

LordofHats wrote:

Nerivant wrote:It's a shoddy program used by EA to make money that wastes an absurd amount of resources combing through my files to make EA more money.

That's a legitimate complaint because it is a annoying program that burns up RAM when you're trying to do something (and Steam will always be better *raises fist in nerd loyalty*). I only draw issue with the complaints of "EA is stealing your personal files" which is 1. Absurd and untrue. EA has no interest in your personal files and neither does anyone else. 2. Its been going on for years at the hands of a lot more than EA so crying about it now is just ridiculous.

Once again, because I am actually and honestly having trouble following this; are you accusing me of making that argument? I've never said anything about stealing personal files.

Not in those words.

Nerivant wrote:Origin sweeps through your system without restrictions, collects info about everything you do

LordofHats wrote:2. Its been going on for years at the hands of a lot more than EA so crying about it now is just ridiculous.

I love my friends that complain about Origin on Facebook.

LordofHats wrote:I'm saying that all the outcry about Origin's "sinister" purpose is a little absurd.

On that point I'd have to agree. Did the panicmongers even read the revised EULA? I know that various websites all over the 'net were still ripping apart the first one weeks after it was updated.

These days, Origin really isn't that different from Steam or a Battle.net-Account. The only thing that keeps bugging me is that I dislike every publisher setting up his own distribution tool. Steam came first, dammit, I don't want to create an account with every crap company out there just because they dislike selling their stuff there. Buuut I suppose we have little choice in this matter.

dogma wrote:I love my friends that complain about Origin on Facebook.

Word.

Agrees whole heartedly with Lynata. My fear is that if Origin appears successful that other publishers will follow suit. I'm not downloading every publishers bug ridden platform when Steam was tweaked to as close to perfection as computer code can hope to get half a decade ago. Not to mention all the money I've already invested. EDIT: It's especially annoying when you realize the profic margins. Publishers will sell a game at full retail value with no overhead worth speaking of.

Lynata wrote:These days, Origin really isn't that different from Steam or a Battle.net-Account. The only thing that keeps bugging me is that I dislike every publisher setting up his own distribution tool. Steam came first, dammit, I don't want to create an account with every crap company out there just because they dislike selling their stuff there.

Same.

I would gladly buy Battlefield 3... if they released it on steam.

If ME3 isn't released on steam I'm not getting it . It may seem petty but honestly, why the feth would I want to install yet ANOTHER piece of software on my computer when Steam works perfectly well? Especially an unproven and new piece of software which is probably buggier than Ubersoft code.