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Milisim wrote:Well at least Matt ward isnt the lead writer! Thats one saving grace for 6E right off the top. There could still be some glimmer of inspiration on this version.... As long as the blood Angels and Necrons are working together so much the better.

If Matt Ward wrote the core rules, then wouldn't everything be overpowered?

Didn't ward write 5ed?

He didn't write the main rules, 5th edition was mainly written by Alessio Cavatore.

No because Matt ward has claimed to be biased. So you can bet his favourite armies will get buffs and his hated armies IE: Orks and other Xenos would get nerfed.... not that Xenos need any nerfing compared to the SM love going around.

Didn't Matt Ward write LotR game? Now that is an awsome, fun gaming system. Nothing is really overpowered and very well balanced. Yes there is a few hicups but alot less hicups that 40K has.

And no, I am serious not being sarcastic.

His Master's Voice wrote:

No, it won't. If what we have is indeed a GW product, and even if evasion is gone, we're still left with reasonably clean rules that are miles better than 5th.

Exactly. Anyone thinking the leaked rules were representative of a final product were being willfully ignorant. The consensus among the "believers" was that these were early playtest rules, which indeed seems to be true if this info is to be believed.

What we can probably expect to see is something very similar to overall gameplay with the more "out there" rules toned down or dropped.

Cadaver wrote:

Exactly. Anyone thinking the leaked rules were representative of a final product were being willfully ignorant.

QFT. Anyone that is truly upset by this news has to lie in the bed they made. There was nothing forcing them to start planning 6th Ed. armies. In fact, I would say sites like Frontline Gaming only perpetuated the ruse by publishing videos of games being played in the "leaked" format. Not only that, but then that was posted on Dakka, BoLS, etc., etc. So, I think the cart got put way before the horse on these rumors. It is amazing the rate at which they took off.

Granted, this could be another red herring, but unlike the other people saying if this rumor is true, they're leaving 40K, I'm happy to say that if these rumors are true, I'll be staying.

i hope that they keep it as close to the leak as they can. After playing the leaked rules i will have a hard time leaving them!!

battlematt wrote:i hope that they keep it as close to the leak as they can. After playing the leaked rules i will have a hard time leaving them!!

Why not just continue to play them?

For anyone who's played a narrative mission in a tournament, a self-made mission amongst friends at home, or even battle missions supplements including Kill Team and Clash of Heroes, or Planetstrike --- These rules that leaked are nothing more than an additional scenario for us to use with our current (expensive) collection of miniature figurines. I am excited to see what 6th proper will bring to the table this summer, but until that time i expect these leaked rules will on occasion relieve some degree of boredom that erupts with this game sometimes.

An actual rulebook release would be awesome, and I will be shelling out the $75 USD for the hardback when it releases. Until such time, I'll keep wistfully rolling dice with my compatriots in the way that suits us all in the most fun way. My FLGS has just recently had an eruption of new gamers to 40K, so throwing a leaked ruleset onto them at this stage would be counter-productive to their groundwork for the game. That being said talking about it hurts nobody.

To: Sales and Finance at GW

Re: Open Letter, 6th Edition "Hereticus" ( Horus?) Rules Leak

To all please take some time and read through the pages of posts here on Dakka Dakka as well as other 40K sites.

Regardless of the validity of the "leaked" document the player community has engaged in lengthy active discourse. This will better that game and ultimately provide the corporation with a sound business.

Take heed to the points of view and criticisms. Incorporate the feedback.. make things better.

Because in the end, when you want to set goals for 6th edition, the foundation for your success lays here.. with your customers and the direction the game needs to go.

On the other hand.. if you choose not to listen.. go and take some target practice with your favourite plasma gun.

Thank you

Mongo

puma713 wrote:

Cadaver wrote:

Exactly. Anyone thinking the leaked rules were representative of a final product were being willfully ignorant.

QFT. Anyone that is truly upset by this news has to lie in the bed they made. There was nothing forcing them to start planning 6th Ed. armies. In fact, I would say sites like Frontline Gaming only perpetuated the ruse by publishing videos of games being played in the "leaked" format. Not only that, but then that was posted on Dakka, BoLS, etc., etc. So, I think the cart got put way before the horse on these rumors. It is amazing the rate at which they took off.

Granted, this could be another red herring, but unlike the other people saying if this rumor is true, they're leaving 40K, I'm happy to say that if these rumors are true, I'll be staying.

I think Cadaver and puma713 pretty much summed up my thoughts on the matter.

Well, the news doesn't really tell us a whole lot about what did stick. For me, nothing changes. Keep playing the Heretic/pancake/leaked edition till 6th comes out and see what my group likes better. Currently the herecake/pantic edition is quite popular, so they'll have to wow us...and I don't have much hope of that.

Maelstrom808 wrote:Well, the news doesn't really tell us a whole lot about what did stick. For me, nothing changes. Keep playing the Heretic/pancake/leaked edition till 6th comes out and see what my group likes better. Currently the herecake/pantic edition is quite popular, so they'll have to wow us...and I don't have much hope of that.

I wish I had your gaming group. I'd love to try a game, but I can't get anyone in my group to try it - only one person was even willing to read it, and they don't want to play it because they say it helps other armies more than it helps their grey knights.

So they let the designers loose to try every idea and ended up back with 5.5?

Well done GW, way to shake things up!

This is awful. This means the people that said it wasn't legit were right. This also means the people that said it was legit were right. No one wins the argument?? Ugh.

Is anyone else really freaked out that this means that Games Workshop, the crazy old fashioned dinosaur whose response to every situation is 'raise prices!' actually invested pretty major staff design resources in some form of, in programming parlance, agile innovation!

I never thought I'd see the day...

So basically GW have told us:

'That this is an early play test version of 6th edition and that some of the rules will make it into 6th and some won't. And there's no clear idea who the writer is.'

And before GW told us that we thought:

'That this is an early play test version of 6th edition and that some of the rules will make it into 6th and some won't. And there's no clear idea who the writer is.'


Nothing has really changed here. And for anyone who's disappointed about the turn sequence not changing, it's quite possible that for every big idea that won't make it, there's another big idea that will make it that isn't in the leaked document.

Compel wrote:Is anyone else really freaked out that this means that Games Workshop, the crazy old fashioned dinosaur whose response to every situation is 'raise prices!' actually invested pretty major staff design resources in some form of, in programming parlance, agile innovation!

I never thought I'd see the day...

You still may not see the day.

My theory is that the 40k 6e hardcover will actually just be a delivery device for a voracious parasite that functions much like the cordyceps genus of ascomycete fungi, infiltrating your central nervous system and controlling your mind, causing you to climb to the top of the highest structure you can with your wallet held high over your head, so their trained Finecast Falcons can swoop down and liberate you of your money.

I told you guys so xD

I cannot believe the crap I've just read. No, not the original post, I'm talking about all the whining. It's been already said, but anyone who thought those were the final rules were in WAY over their head.

"BUT WERE ACTUALLY WHINING ABOUT THE LOSS OF EV, TURN ORDER DIFFERENCE, etc," I hear you groan loudly at your monitor.

How the fresh warp is it making a backward step to drop the idea of reverting to 3rd ed turn order?! How is it a step backwards to drop a completely new idea, never officially released?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Lame. I liked the shook up turn structure. Probably will quit 40k now.

You're going to quit 40k? Again? That's adorable. Well go ahead, I wouldn't ever want to play ANY game with someone like you; you'd probably just quit half way if the game wasn't going your way. The same goes for the other dakkadites who felt the absolute need to proclaim that they're quitting a game they never gave a brick about.

Shadelkan wrote:I cannot believe the crap I've just read. No, not the original post, I'm talking about all the whining. It's been already said, but anyone who thought those were the final rules were in WAY over their head.

"BUT WERE ACTUALLY WHINING ABOUT THE LOSS OF EV, TURN ORDER DIFFERENCE, etc," I hear you groan loudly at your monitor.

How the fresh warp is it making a backward step to drop the idea of reverting to 3rd ed turn order?! How is it a step backwards to drop a completely new idea, never officially released?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Lame. I liked the shook up turn structure. Probably will quit 40k now.

You're going to quit 40k? Again? That's adorable. Well go ahead, I wouldn't ever want to play ANY game with someone like you; you'd probably just quit half way if the game wasn't going your way. The same goes for the other dakkadites who felt the absolute need to proclaim that they're quitting a game they never gave a brick about.

Now, tell us how you really feel......

ColdSadHungry wrote:So basically GW have told us:

'That this is an early play test version of 6th edition and that some of the rules will make it into 6th and some won't. And there's no clear idea who the writer is.'

And before GW told us that we thought:

'That this is an early play test version of 6th edition and that some of the rules will make it into 6th and some won't. And there's no clear idea who the writer is.'


Nothing has really changed here. And for anyone who's disappointed about the turn sequence not changing, it's quite possible that for every big idea that won't make it, there's another big idea that will make it that isn't in the leaked document.

no, gw hasn't told us anything.

Good thing I didn't read the leaked rules then.

Sweet. If 6th is simply 5.5 and nothing like the leak, I may come back to 40K.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Good thing I didn't read the leaked rules then.

Oh you should have, this way you can see how 6th could have been or how it improved.

Now what about those people on 4whatever that claimed it was their "house" rules? Didn't the Naysayers believe him? So how funny how people who said these were fake rules believe a fake person claiming it to be his rules.

I think people are forgetting that these are rumors about the rumors. We didn't know what was what before and we STILL don't know.

Personally when the leaked ruleset came out, I was fully expecting the final product to be something along the lines of a “5.5” and this rumour seems to support this theory.

At this stage, I’m expecting the final product to be very “hit and miss” like 5E (in the sense that some people loved the ruleset whilst others hated it).

If I say I'm shocked then I'd look like a lemming following a long line of lemmings over a cliff over apperently nothing...

If I say I'm disappointed then I'd sound like a dreamer that woke up to find that it all was just a dream...

I guess you'll have to say I'm alittle of both. My take was that Leakhammer was DIFFERENT than 5th edition. It wasn't really 5.5, or a 3.0 prequel. It was simply it's own thing. I did hope however that it would just be a line here, a stat there, or a sentance there that would change. Maybe a new FaQ for certain armies etc. I just didn't expect 5.5

Not happy, not surprised, not leaving 40k, but not excited anymore either.