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xSoulgrinderx wrote:Wow, lot of OP bashing. Guy must be a real tool if he has emotions....

How about this, instead of bashing the OP you do something constructive, like say, offer advice.

The BA are balanced codex.

The IG are balanced.

The GK's may be a little more powerful than the IG and the BA, but they have their weaknesses. (Yes warp quake really kills chaos daemons so they may be overpowered when fighting Daemons.)

The best advice anyone can give you is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g and enjoy the game.

1. Learn to beat BA, like everyone else who does not own a BA army.
2. Beat BA according to the lessons learned in step 1.
3. Feel better about life.

There are only bad army lists, bad tactics, and overpowered codexes. The current overpowered codexes are GK and IG, with SW trailing behind. Blood angels are nothing.

My question is what do you run, and why aren't you changing your tactics to beat the blood angels.

I like BA. If I didn't play a red army (word bearers), I might play blood angels, because they really are pretty unique.

I think they serve a niche that wouldn't otherwise be filled by a space marine army.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like BA. If I didn't play a red army (word bearers), I might play blood angels, because they really are pretty unique.

I think they serve a niche that wouldn't otherwise be filled by a space marine army.

Youre right, because eldar and de were the "fast" armies. lol

Draigo wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like BA. If I didn't play a red army (word bearers), I might play blood angels, because they really are pretty unique.

I think they serve a niche that wouldn't otherwise be filled by a space marine army.

Youre right, because eldar and de were the "fast" armies. lol

That's not exactly what I mean. Sure, those are fast armies, but BA are a bit more than fast... They're almost like the cavalry of space marines. Hard to explain.

DeathReaper wrote:

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Wow, lot of OP bashing. Guy must be a real tool if he has emotions....

How about this, instead of bashing the OP you do something constructive, like say, offer advice.

The BA are balanced codex.

The IG are balanced.

The GK's may be a little more powerful than the IG and the BA, but they have their weaknesses. (Yes warp quake really kills chaos daemons so they may be overpowered when fighting Daemons.)

The best advice anyone can give you is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g and enjoy the game.

If GK weren't good at fighting Daemons, then surely something would be wrong? Going OT for a second, look at the bold font in the quote. Sure, GK are nasty on the table. But paying 20-30 ppm isn't so good for GK.

Back OT.

Anyways, it seems to me that OP is fighting three rather different armies (Mech Angels, Sang Guard and Death Company). So for the former, bring tank poppers (Razorbacks are not that hard to kill, trust me), for the second you waant your elite killers (Read Power weapons, as they will eat through Sang guard nicely. They don't have an Invulnerable save) and for the latter, AP 2, power weapons, etc, but in larger numbers to deal with FNP and 3+ saves. And if that fails, play GK instead.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Who thinks that Blood Angels are WAAAAYYY to overpowered? To many frelling rules and assaults and bonus attacks and just arrrghh..... hate them, everyone plays them. I play daemons and how can some human marines get to deep strike ONLY D6 and then ASSAULT! WTF! Thats messed up, and totally unfair compared to codexs that need stuff. Its been so bad at my LGS that I refuse to play against them. I want to burn every BA codex and send the ashes to GW.

Anyone else feel the same...?

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Draigo wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like BA. If I didn't play a red army (word bearers), I might play blood angels, because they really are pretty unique.

I think they serve a niche that wouldn't otherwise be filled by a space marine army.

Youre right, because eldar and de were the "fast" armies. lol

That's not exactly what I mean. Sure, those are fast armies, but BA are a bit more than fast... They're almost like the cavalry of space marines. Hard to explain.

Cavalry is a poor choice of words too since sw actually have cavalry. BA do not really fill a unique niche. Outside of fast vehicles they dont do anything particulary better then sw or gk. All 3 are mid range/cc based armies in which ba will lose more often then not.

Draigo wrote:Cavalry is a poor choice of words too since sw actually have cavalry. BA do not really fill a unique niche. Outside of fast vehicles [and cheaper Razorbacks] they dont do anything particulary better then sw or gk. All 3 are mid range/cc based armies in which ba will lose more often then not.

Added the orange.

all sang guard has to be one of the worst lists ever. imagin all sang guard or all death company vs GK. now that would be funny.

Please, Dante, come closer. My halberd-bearing brethren would like a word with you...

Oh god these threads....

Alexzandvar wrote:

Oh god these threads....

Indeed..

*FACEDESK*

You read it, you earned it =P

xSoulgrinderx wrote:You read it, you earned it =P

But it would tactical genius to fool me into a thread I would know I hat-

labmouse42 wrote:

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Who thinks that Blood Angels are WAAAAYYY to overpowered? To many frelling rules and assaults and bonus attacks and just arrrghh..... hate them, everyone plays them. I play daemons and how can some human marines get to deep strike ONLY D6 and then ASSAULT! WTF! Thats messed up, and totally unfair compared to codexs that need stuff. Its been so bad at my LGS that I refuse to play against them. I want to burn every BA codex and send the ashes to GW.

Anyone else feel the same...?

He is no troll, he speaks the truth. The Blood Angels must be deleted.

If they're OP then Eldar are god tier as I'm undefeated against all the BAs I've come across.

This reminds me of this thread.

If you'll notice a trend of the newest codex is always thought to be overpowered, since I have started playing BA came out and it was overpowered then SW came out and it was overpowered then Grey Knights came out and it was overpowered. It's a progressive trend that the newest codex is more ridiculous then the last one just wait til you have your time in to sun.

If thats the trend then how do you explain IG?

Draigo wrote:If thats the trend then how do you explain IG?

There are some units that are scary, but for the most part all you need to deal with them is an artillery like a Biovore or Whirlwind and an anti-armor like Krak missiles or Hive Guard. IG isn't that bad.

broodstar wrote:

Draigo wrote:If thats the trend then how do you explain IG?

There are some units that are scary, but for the most part all you need to deal with them is an artillery like a Biovore or Whirlwind and an anti-armor like Krak missiles or Hive Guard. IG isn't that bad.

I think youre over simplifying one of the most successful codexes period. Aside from the strength of firepower youre forgetting these players have a lot of exp with their army. Theyre still winning a lot of tourneys and a dex thats been out for a long time.

Draigo wrote:

broodstar wrote:

Draigo wrote:If thats the trend then how do you explain IG?

There are some units that are scary, but for the most part all you need to deal with them is an artillery like a Biovore or Whirlwind and an anti-armor like Krak missiles or Hive Guard. IG isn't that bad.

I think youre over simplifying one of the most successful codexes period. Aside from the strength of firepower youre forgetting these players have a lot of exp with their army. Theyre still winning a lot of tourneys and a dex thats been out for a long time.

Well yeah if you stick with the same army you will be almost unstoppable, no matter what the codex is. Do Dark Angels suck? There's a guy at my local game shop that has been playing Dark Angel since they came out, and he will push you off the board. Ones exp means a lot and you can't simulate that, but mathematically IG can be beaten.

Blood Angels are the most overpowered book GW has put out in a decade!

/thread

Of course, they're 3x faster than normal marines after all.

Red Comet wrote:Blood Angels are the most overpowered book GW has put out in a decade!

/thread

broodstar wrote:

Draigo wrote:

broodstar wrote:

Draigo wrote:If thats the trend then how do you explain IG?

There are some units that are scary, but for the most part all you need to deal with them is an artillery like a Biovore or Whirlwind and an anti-armor like Krak missiles or Hive Guard. IG isn't that bad.

I think youre over simplifying one of the most successful codexes period. Aside from the strength of firepower youre forgetting these players have a lot of exp with their army. Theyre still winning a lot of tourneys and a dex thats been out for a long time.

Well yeah if you stick with the same army you will be almost unstoppable, no matter what the codex is. Do Dark Angels suck? There's a guy at my local game shop that has been playing Dark Angel since they came out, and he will push you off the board. Ones exp means a lot and you can't simulate that, but mathematically IG can be beaten.

Every army can be beaten. That wasn't the point. You said every new codex was the new op dex but didnt adress books like orkz(number 1 army in america) or IG who keep winning.
Can't really compare DA to the other armies. They have very limited builds that are cost effective. I'd take my gk, eldar etc vs a deathwing/ravenwing over a leafblower anyday.

Chowderhead wrote:

Red Comet wrote:Blood Angels are the most overpowered book GW has put out in a decade!

/thread

Draigo wrote:

broodstar wrote:

Draigo wrote:

broodstar wrote:

Draigo wrote:If thats the trend then how do you explain IG?

There are some units that are scary, but for the most part all you need to deal with them is an artillery like a Biovore or Whirlwind and an anti-armor like Krak missiles or Hive Guard. IG isn't that bad.

I think youre over simplifying one of the most successful codexes period. Aside from the strength of firepower youre forgetting these players have a lot of exp with their army. Theyre still winning a lot of tourneys and a dex thats been out for a long time.

Well yeah if you stick with the same army you will be almost unstoppable, no matter what the codex is. Do Dark Angels suck? There's a guy at my local game shop that has been playing Dark Angel since they came out, and he will push you off the board. Ones exp means a lot and you can't simulate that, but mathematically IG can be beaten.

Every army can be beaten. That wasn't the point. You said every new codex was the new op dex but didnt adress books like orkz(number 1 army in america) or IG who keep winning.
Can't really compare DA to the other armies. They have very limited builds that are cost effective. I'd take my gk, eldar etc vs a deathwing/ravenwing over a leafblower anyday.

Orks are the number 1 army in America!? Sir, I've only played for 2 years, the two guys that play orks at the game shop, I look at them and say lunch is served, so I doubt it's the number army in America. All the races aren't as op as people think they are, the more you come across them the more you will learn their tricks and weaknesses. When I first started playing people told me not to go Tyranids they're ranked one of the lowest, as a matter of fact I'm the only one playing Tyranid at the shop, but I've push through that, got my teeth kicked in and learned to hunt. The reason I attribute to the IG being well executed is by the people that stick with them and play them. And then there are so many people who have to have the most of "overpowered" army out and will switch from army to army to army. And I'm sure when BT come out there will be so many people playing BT because it's new and shiny. I don't believe in the whole army ranking thing.

What he means is that orks are the most common army. Theyre cheap $$ wise by comparison. As well, I play IG and Daemons, and my daemons PLOW through IG tank spam, and the flamers and horrors can own IG infantry lists. Overall IG isnt that bad. Space marines with 1000000000000 rules give or take x10^4......