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I am amazed that in an army with so much small arms fire the Masque made it past Turn 1. I get that she is less threatening in combat than crushers, but crushers tend to make combat a lot quicker with her around.

I ran a broad Daemon list this weekend, tabled a SM player with Null Zone and TH/SS terminators. at 1850. I ran...

The Masque

3x Flamers of Tzeetch
3x Blood Crushers
6x Fiends

12x Daemonettes
12x Daemonettes
12x Daemonettes w/ Icon
9x Pink Horrors w/ Bolt

12x Seekers
7x Screamers

2x Soul Grinders w/ Phlegm

I know it is not optimal, but I am getting away from spam style lists. I really like having a toolkit with diverse functions that I can use to exploit my opponent in a number of ways.

On top of that, shes a tiny model and can easily be hidden behind stuff. As you would expect she gets gunned down when in the open but when you make a wall of crushers with the masque, fate and fiends behind them its hard to hit them.

I run the crushers like a kan wall, just line them up, give cover to the fiends behind them and let Fateweaver give them rerolls on their armour cover and IV saves. I had the Blue scribes close by just in case a spam group or terminators come near my crushers. In that case, you have the scribes jump infront, flame them, and then assault around the Scribes with the fiends or crushers.

7x Screamers

Are screamers any good?

First wave I usually ran 7 Plague Bearers with an icon, usually 2 units of them.

They wont die easily and the icon lets my blood letter get where they want, preferably behind the PB's for cover on the first round.

I agree. Another poster said that they would place an objective in area terrain, then have the PB drop near there, run in and get cover. The can go to ground if they really needed to. The icon will still work.

Then, on the next turn have them use the icon to DS the letters behind them and then just stand the plagues back up. Its not like theyre going to be assaulting anytime soon and then your letters get cover.

I find screamers do pretty good some games and rubbish in others, usually they get shot to bits when I tell people they are flying melta bombs, so they at least draw fire from other units.

Best Iv had them do is a unit of 5 took out 2 Defilers in combat.


If your after some ideas for a disk/chariot I made these up:



Heres a link to the "How I made them" thread if your interested.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/397749.page

Interesting. Im looking at doing the same thing with the screamers. But I want the disk to look like this but with more books and scrolls

https://www.coolminiornot.com/201484

Yeah Iv seen that one, looks pretty damn cool.

If you use metal horrors for them its easy to bend the claws on their hands so they can hold books and such.

Ive got two blue horrors that are perfect. They have lanky arms and stuff. Just need to find scroll and book bits.

I actually really like Screamers against all opponents I play. In objective games they can Flat Out as a jetbike to contest objectives with a 3+ cover save and they are surprisingly durable in assault against standard units. This speed also enables them to threaten enemy armor in the backfield or (this is one of my favorite uses) you can string them along to block vehicles from maneuvering towards your other troops (or as a charge screener).

This forces a Tank Shock (which I will DoG any day of the week with their Melta bombs) or them to go around.

The only bummer with them is you cannot run them the turn they DS, so they can be Plasma Cannon/Frag Missile bait if you are not careful.

You'll have to scrounge through varies kits and such to find books and scrolls I think.

There are some random books and such in the GK termie kit that I know of.

Either that or you could GS some scrolls pretty easy by just making a thin flat piece of GS and then rolling it up.


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calypso2ts wrote:I actually really like Screamers against all opponents I play. In objective games they can Flat Out as a jetbike to contest objectives with a 3+ cover save and they are surprisingly durable in assault against standard units. This speed also enables them to threaten enemy armor in the backfield or (this is one of my favorite uses) you can string them along to block vehicles from maneuvering towards your other troops (or as a charge screener).

This forces a Tank Shock (which I will DoG any day of the week with their Melta bombs) or them to go around.

The only bummer with them is you cannot run them the turn they DS, so they can be Plasma Cannon/Frag Missile bait if you are not careful.

Pretty much sums up how screamers are best used I think.

How do they get a 3+ ? Flat out only give a 4+ I thought

He meant turboboost.

Turboboosters give a 3+ cover.

Flat out is vehicle-only.

Ahhhh cool beans... I need some of those .... if anyone has some hahah

Could use a few myself.

Plastic screamers in boxes of 5+ would make me a happy man, as would a few Daemon Engines

Yup. Im working on my 5th soulgrinder. I need 9 in total for the Apoc formation of BS winn.... You can shoot and assault the turn they deep strike!!!! Imagine playing a 3k Apoc game, and you bring 9 soulgrinders... its cheat codes.

Heh.

I only have 3.

I'm planning on one per god, with a FW plague Hulk being the Nurgle one when i can afford it.

My Tzeentch one is going to be packing a staff and holding a conjured ball of flame in it's claw.

My Khorne one is pretty much the standard Grinder.

My slaanesh one is going to have a rock band and a small nightclub scene on its back.

BTW anyone know where to get 40k scale clubbers and a rock band ?



On Topic:

I've found small multiple units of horrors with a Bolt each useful, and giving a chariot herald of Tzeetch an icon and zooming him gives you a pretty wide spread of options for placement for your reserves coming in.

I also like me some flamers, but them i run Mono_Tzeentch most times.

Heres my nurgle grinder. Its Grendel from Beowulf.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:How do they get a 3+ ? Flat out only give a 4+ I thought

Sorry, my bust they are turbo boosting, I always think of jet things as flat out for some reason.

I have started using larger Horror units lately and mixing in a Tzeetch Herald with Bolt and We Are Legion with the unit to throw out a variety of shots. It shields the herald a little more than the Jet Bike variety and is cheaper on my wallet for extra screamers.

Nice grinder

I'm thinking of trying some nurgle stuff in my first wave, for survivability, and putting something faster and nastier in my second.

calypso2ts wrote:

xSoulgrinderx wrote:How do they get a 3+ ? Flat out only give a 4+ I thought

Sorry, my bust they are turbo boosting, I always think of jet things as flat out for some reason.

I have started using larger Horror units lately and mixing in a Tzeetch Herald with Bolt and We Are Legion with the unit to throw out a variety of shots. It shields the herald a little more than the Jet Bike variety and is cheaper on my wallet for extra screamers.

Im a fan of large horror units, I also use the herald setup you mentioned pretty often.

Generally Ill go 2 heralds on foot with bolt, we are legion and master of sorcery.

Then 2 on chariots with breath, master of sorcery and soul devourer. Sure Tzeentch stuff is bad in combat but these guys are pretty good combat support.

I just need my HQ units to be beefy. I always run this now, I like to swap out for Skarbrand in case I need the extra punch. Plus him and Fate make a nice tag team.

Fate
Masque
Blue Scribes

or

Fate
Skarbrand