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XmarvX40k wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Its basically military olive green....

But its a shade - wash type paint

Its not hard for us to create that, especially if we have water + vallejo paints.

Yeah I noticed that earlier, I tryed 'Drakenhoff Nightshade' out on a white primed high elf, one coat was like several of the current(old?) washes.
I only said because the shade and glaze paints are transparent, unlike the base, layer and dry ones which are opaque.
(sorry to patronise - you clearly know this! but for others that may not )
I'm really looking forward to trying the shades in an airbrush tbh!

Airbrushing washes is excellent. I did it on my DE Dragon and war hydra and it went on evenly. Saved a ton of time and no dry marks as it all went on at the same time.

Second that. I doused my latest project with devlan mud through my airbrush. The only gripe I had was that I sprayed half a pot of the stuff on one unit, I'm kind of hoping that the new formula ones are a little stronger in colour to reduce the coats I needed. I could always add some water or medium to get back to the old formula kind of levels if needed.

XmarvX40k wrote: Second that. I doused my latest project with devlan mud through my airbrush. The only gripe I had was that I sprayed half a pot of the stuff on one unit, I'm kind of hoping that the new formula ones are a little stronger in colour to reduce the coats I needed. I could always add some water or medium to get back to the old formula kind of levels if needed.

Have you tried making your own? That is what I did and it costs me pennies per bottle of the stuff. There is a minor up front cost but the materials you get will last a very long time.

I have I really could do with a matte medium though.
I used Liquitex acrylic inks, carbon black and raw umber mixed with glazing medium and airbrush medium or even just water occasionally (water did lead to some odd effects due to overthinning)
Used this a lot on my 40k orks.
For a devlan mud kind of colour what do you use?

I just got some ultra matte medium that I mixed up as regular matte was too shiny for my taste.

I thought the ultra matte was for maintaining opacity? Can't say I ever had any to play with though so this is useful info for me
I might look into which brand sells the lowest sheen medium, equally it couldve been the colours adding sheen? Liquitex inks are very glossy by themselves.
(pushing further and further away from the op topic... whoops)

both are for maintaining opacity, ultra is a flatter(matte, lower sheen) finish than regular matte medium.

The ink is what has so much gloss to it(if you ever used GW inks you know this). The matte medium helps bring that down, ultra matte even more so.

I use Daler Rowney inks which are waterproof acrylics and are quite shiny on their own.

Nice, thanks for the info. I'l try it out next time I order from an art store. The different brands of inks have been largely similar in my experiences with airbrushing... I just settled on Liquitex for some reason (large bottles of black was probably it). I have access to a selection of softbody acrylics that have transparent binders too, so I may play with those too. They're a bit more satin than glossy, but less intense colour than the inks...might give interesting results if mixed right.
But I do like the GW washes because they dry nice and matte (the old ones didnt! :( I have some of the hexi pot ones kicking around still)

Ok, had a little time with the new paints, and i now need to pick up some red wash and tau sept foundation.
None of the new paints really work the same.
The red wash is the main issue -_-

Might have to start mixing my own.

well i just discovered that GW has a new paint line...yeah i'm out of touch with the time lol but i have to say i'm rather interested.

so...i'll be rushing into my closes GW tomorrow for a few hours to see if i can try some out, i am even prepared to pay the ludicrous amounts they charge and buy a figure that really catches my eye in store and paint it there to give it a nice test run for the colors.

i'm really interested to see how the glazes and shades work for me and my painting style, it seems interesting. The colors in general i'm not bothered with, you standard colors will be standard and you will get used to them, but the introduction of the technical glazes n mattes and the shades n gloses, yeah they have me interested and i can't wait to give them a whirl.

The 1 thing that really bothers me to the point of shooting myself is their damn paint pots. Why do they insist on this silly thing, i mean you get less paint in it for more cost and because of the pot thing, you can't accurately drop your paint on the pallet (yes i'm a big fan of vallejo dropper bottles) and help me out here...but doesn't paint dry when it's out in the open like that (having your lid open)?

in anycase, if the shades n glazes thrill me i will probably get a couple for future painting, but unfortunately for GW i will be sticking with my dropper bottles, which is a shame because their new paint line looks really good and of high quality something i thought their line always had strong points in.

Rogues Gambit wrote:

The 1 thing that really bothers me to the point of shooting myself is their damn paint pots. Why do they insist on this silly thing, i mean you get less paint in it for more cost and because of the pot thing, you can't accurately drop your paint on the pallet (yes i'm a big fan of vallejo dropper bottles) and help me out here...but doesn't paint dry when it's out in the open like that (having your lid open)?

in anycase, if the shades n glazes thrill me i will probably get a couple for future painting, but unfortunately for GW i will be sticking with my dropper bottles, which is a shame because their new paint line looks really good and of high quality something i thought their line always had strong points in.

I see lots of people bothered by this, and dont really get it. Just get a little pipette... prob solved. I already had several of these for mixing paints with before the citadel pots even made it onto my desk.
I just take a drop into my pallet and close the lid on the paint untill my pallet is used up or dry. The wont dry up this way... I have GW paints from the late 80's still usable (funnily though all but one of the screw top pots dried up over the years, just my trusty scorpion green left)

I transfer every GW paint to a dropper bottle so that isn't the biggest deal for me, just a minor inconvenience and added cost.

<fingers crossed>

I am really hoping that the change doesn't screw up my paint scheme on my nids too much (which is pretty much entirely washes over white primer or astronomican grey foundation)

Has anyone had a chance to try Kantor Blue? Does anyone know if it's close to necron abyss? If anyone does that'd be great

Sorry to go a bit off topic

LunaHound wrote:

Norn King wrote:
And premium pricing xD

That hasn't changed a penny?

Porcupine el Josh wrote:Has anyone had a chance to try Kantor Blue? Does anyone know if it's close to necron abyss? If anyone does that'd be great

Sorry to go a bit off topic

Kantor Blue wasn't part of the selection my local store had. I can't remember them all off the top of my head but there was enough pots to fill the slots on a GW painting station tray thing (red ones) and a set of brand new brushes and water pots on each tray hehe.
I'm quite interested in the Necron Abyss equivalent too, mostly because the skaven army I'm just staring has that as a base coat on the rags they wear. I would hope its close... probably not 100% matched though (Nothing else in the line looks like it will match either ).

One thing I'm just noticing (I'm probably the last guy to notice this haha). With the change in paint formula comes a change in the paintsets. The 40k one no longer features Ultramarines..... I'm shocked! (and pleased) infact you do not even get blue in it! Dark Angels being the new poster boys?

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2320032a_Citadel_Conversion_Chart

Matching up old paints with new ones!

Aerethan wrote:
Keep in mind that I am in no way a fanboy of GW, hate their business practices, but this they seem to have right.

Jeez, what has this world come to? Whenever anyone compliments GW they are called a fanboy?

No, I just have an image to maintain. GW: Great games and models, crap company.

anyone know what's on GWs how to paint minis DVD is it worth the $50?

I aksed the store manager about the 'How to Paint' book and if there was one to look at. Alas there was not, He did say that he'd seen the dvd and it has one of the eavy metal painters showing you how they do it, make of that what you will
I imagine they will also be sealed with the dvd inside and will require a blind purchase.
The manager did point out however that the book has a built in stand, and works flip-book style with landscape pages, to make it readable whilst painting. Which I thaught was quite nice. As for content...I can't say.

Thank you everyone.

Ordered almost a full range of Formula P3 paints instead of waiting for theese. Wanted a full range of a new brand and got it for £100 from MaelstromGames instead of £870. Quite the bargain for me. The only thing I left out was some washes and some random other ones I dont have any use for. Guess I got 60 out of 68 colors, and P3 are probably better quality throughout the range.

LunaHound wrote:

Norn King wrote:Could someone please post a detailed review/opinion of the new line? (for the benefit of me and others)
Thanks
Norn King

Enjoy your lid that will break before you finish your paint.
And premium pricing xD

I literally choked a little when I saw that price tag... seriously guys just go to AC more and get primary colors, white and black and you can mix anything under the sun for a fraction of the cost.
not to mention does anyone know if these paints are still the "made in china" might be lead based paints as the old ones?

DasFluspferd wrote:
I literally choked a little when I saw that price tag... seriously guys just go to AC more and get primary colors, white and black and you can mix anything under the sun for a fraction of the cost.
not to mention does anyone know if these paints are still the "made in china" might be lead based paints as the old ones?

Might be lead? Where did you pluck that from? I know 25+ years ago there may have been lead paints on sale for youngsters to paint mini's with, but the staff in GW stores need Criminal Record Background checks nowadays just like any one else who works with minors because of how young the demographic has gotten. Honestly would they leave themselves open to lawsuit in such a way that is so easy to avoid?

DasFluspferd wrote:
I literally choked a little when I saw that price tag...

Before "literally choking" when you see the price tag you might want to look at the US site; rather than the Australian site(which like the Canadian site has things more expensive but still using the dollar sign. It results in A LOT of threads where users from within the United States suddenly have seen a massive price increase).
The set is $536.
145 paints at $3.70 each comes out to $536.50
The case you get is this which comes out to $99 by itself.

seriously guys just go to AC more and get primary colors, white and black and you can mix anything under the sun for a fraction of the cost.

So how do you keep consistency going when you're mixing everything?
Not being a jerk here, but doing mixes has issues even if you are getting a discount.

not to mention does anyone know if these paints are still the "made in china" might be lead based paints as the old ones?

Where was it suggested that these paints "might be lead based"?

Anyways, the rumormill suggests that the new manufacturer is in England.

I really liked the fact that unlike the current watery poor quality of the lighter basic shades the base layer paints went on clean and in one go onto black undercoat. I might even go back to black undercoat now, I've fought shy of it ever since coming back to the hobby because of the awful coverage of oranges, yellows, reds, etc on it, making multiple coats a tedious necessity. The washes were nothing amazing but this was the big plus for me and I will be picking up a set of the basic colours ASAP, they're out on the 6 or 7th April I think.

XmarvX40k wrote:

DasFluspferd wrote:
I literally choked a little when I saw that price tag... seriously guys just go to AC more and get primary colors, white and black and you can mix anything under the sun for a fraction of the cost.
not to mention does anyone know if these paints are still the "made in china" might be lead based paints as the old ones?

Might be lead? Where did you pluck that from? I know 25+ years ago there may have been lead paints on sale for youngsters to paint mini's with, but the staff in GW stores need Criminal Record Background checks nowadays just like any one else who works with minors because of how young the demographic has gotten. Honestly would they leave themselves open to lawsuit in such a way that is so easy to avoid?

There was some sort of health question I'm aware of my local hobby shop stopped selling their paint line. I'll have to keep digging