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Report from Down Under here - My local GW store is staffed by 20-somethings in flannel shirts who hover around you while you browse the shelves and talk to you like this is the first time you've ever purchased a box.

They also have gaming tables permanently set up in what looks like mock games (but I could just be missing the people who play) pushed right up against the shelves so there's slightly too little space to comfortably browse. The painting table is about 2 feet off the ground and is similarly pushed into the corner.

A little under half the 40k boxes on shelves feature the good old boys in blue and their various metal boxes, with the rest of GW's ranges (non-SM 40k, WFB and LotR) crammed into two walls of shelf space. I play Orks, and the only Ork boxes I can ever find are Lootas/Burnas, Boyz and the various Finecast characters.

Most of the time the shop's clientel are 40-something veterans and their 12-year-old offspring who delight in running around with models and making 'pew-pew' noises. Sometimes there's so many of them that it's diffcult to move at all in the cramped spaces between tables and shelves.

Overall it's a hellish place full of unhelpful staff, SM products and small children. I go elsewhere to my FLGS and get my resin fix there. Or what I can get when boxes of Boyz cost AUD$50-60 a go.

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NimbleJack3 wrote:Report from Down Under here - My local GW store is staffed by 20-somethings in flannel shirts who hover around you while you browse the shelves and talk to you like this is the first time you've ever purchased a box.

They also have gaming tables permanently set up in what looks like mock games (but I could just be missing the people who play) pushed right up against the shelves so there's slightly too little space to comfortably browse. The painting table is about 2 feet off the ground and is similarly pushed into the corner.

A little under half the 40k boxes on shelves feature the good old boys in blue and their various metal boxes, with the rest of GW's ranges (non-SM 40k, WFB and LotR) crammed into two walls of shelf space. I play Orks, and the only Ork boxes I can ever find are Lootas/Burnas, Boyz and the various Finecast characters.

Most of the time the shop's clientel are 40-something veterans and their 12-year-old offspring who delight in running around with models and making 'pew-pew' noises. Sometimes there's so many of them that it's diffcult to move at all in the cramped spaces between tables and shelves.

Overall it's a hellish place full of unhelpful staff, SM products and small children. I go elsewhere to my FLGS and get my resin fix there. Or what I can get when boxes of Boyz cost AUD$50-60 a go.


It seems anymore the "black shirts" are corporate drones that have no care to the game in of itself.

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riverhawks32 wrote:The only thing keeping the store afloat now is the veteran regualars....who we all now are not buying from the company directly.

So you're saying that the veterans are NOT keeping the store afloat.

Then what is?

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Bookwrack wrote:
riverhawks32 wrote:The only thing keeping the store afloat now is the veteran regualars....who we all now are not buying from the company directly.

So you're saying that the veterans are NOT keeping the store afloat.

Then what is?


I think he was being ironic.

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I've never had a problem...
Local shop is great.
Really friendly staff.
Every other shop i have been in has been fine as well...

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Redbeard wrote:They've been canning managers at stores near me for a while now. They seem completely unable to see that people don't go into the stores to buy things anymore because

a) they're usually out of stock. The managers no longer have any control over inventory, and the computer simply doesn't know what people are into. The computer says you should have two boxes of grey knights on the shelf. But if five people are making GK armies, that doesn't work so well. Managers used to be able to plan around that sort of thing.

b) the price increases keep driving more and more people to buy from discounters on the net. There's little a manager can do about this either.

But the managers take the blame for falling sales figures. Doesn't make sense to me. First take away their power to make changes, and then punish them when the corporate mandates don't work. Yeah, that's GW.


Essentially, this. Also, there's the part where the rules systems used by GW are an absolute burden (*glares at 40k*), making it feel like a chore sometimes to play anything even approaching a medium-sized game. I would defend GW by saying they make excellent quality miniatures if one is a hobbyist rather than a gamer, but the price is simply unjustifiable when other miniatures companies create excellent quality miniatures and are able to publish functional rule systems. It's the stores, the systems, the price, the.... well, basically everything that fuels my anger for GW.

 
   
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Redbeard wrote:They've been canning managers at stores near me for a while now. They seem completely unable to see that people don't go into the stores to buy things anymore because

a) they're usually out of stock. The managers no longer have any control over inventory, and the computer simply doesn't know what people are into. The computer says you should have two boxes of grey knights on the shelf. But if five people are making GK armies, that doesn't work so well. Managers used to be able to plan around that sort of thing.

b) the price increases keep driving more and more people to buy from discounters on the net. There's little a manager can do about this either.

But the managers take the blame for falling sales figures. Doesn't make sense to me. First take away their power to make changes, and then punish them when the corporate mandates don't work. Yeah, that's GW.


Essentially, this. Also, there's the part where the rules systems used by GW are an absolute burden (*glares at 40k*), making it feel like a chore sometimes to play anything even approaching a medium-sized game. I would defend GW by saying they make excellent quality miniatures if one is a hobbyist rather than a gamer, but the price is simply unjustifiable when other miniatures companies create excellent quality miniatures and are able to publish functional rule systems. It's the stores, the systems, the price, the.... well, basically everything that fuels my anger for GW.

Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?
GW is not over-priced.
And the rules may not be perfect but they're pretty streamlined on the whole. For all that people on dakka brag about other wargames they aren't nearly as acceccesable as 40k.

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Redbeard wrote:They've been canning managers at stores near me for a while now. They seem completely unable to see that people don't go into the stores to buy things anymore because

a) they're usually out of stock. The managers no longer have any control over inventory, and the computer simply doesn't know what people are into. The computer says you should have two boxes of grey knights on the shelf. But if five people are making GK armies, that doesn't work so well. Managers used to be able to plan around that sort of thing.

b) the price increases keep driving more and more people to buy from discounters on the net. There's little a manager can do about this either.

But the managers take the blame for falling sales figures. Doesn't make sense to me. First take away their power to make changes, and then punish them when the corporate mandates don't work. Yeah, that's GW.


Welcome to "Anywhere you work that is a big company". This isn't something exclusive to GW, I see this with my wifes job all the time. For instance, they require the managers to go out of their way to contact adoption agencies and other companies to host events at the store or to attend events but her company does not allow the use of their work email outside of the work network. Basically, you can't email anyone from your work email that is not also at the same domain (@petcompanyname.com). But they refuse to also pay the managers for the time spent off the clock and resources used for handling these affairs that are mandatory.

So anyway, stupid business decisions are not something GW has the patent on.
   
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Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?


Which is totally subjective. Hanging out with possibly influential people could have a larger and more lasting impact ( with your connection, maturity growth, perspective ) than a box of plastic soldiers.

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spacewolf407 wrote:I happen to live 15 mins away from the only GW in Florida, Orlando to be specific. Them opening last year was actually the reason I came back to the hobby after 15 years. Awesome manager, there are always games going on, and the shelves are always stocked.


Theres a new store opening up down here in south Florida (Sunrise) in a few weeks. Im going to go there for the opening but not sure if Ill keep going since its a little farther than my FLGS. Not sure how big its going to be.


 
   
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LunaHound wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?


Which is totally subjective. Hanging out with possibly influential people could have a larger and more lasting impact ( with your connection, maturity growth, perspective ) than a box of plastic soldiers.


I was about to say something along similar lines. They're incomparable.
   
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Fafnir wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?


Which is totally subjective. Hanging out with possibly influential people could have a larger and more lasting impact ( with your connection, maturity growth, perspective ) than a box of plastic soldiers.


I was about to say something along similar lines. They're incomparable.


Right.. the only meaningful comparison to make is to other companies within the same industry, otherwise you can just continue with an endless string of justification. By the pricing standards within the wargaming/modelling hobby (considering that a lot of games are playable for less than £50, total) GW is one of the most expensive.

Isengard wrote:it's fascinating how GW approaches have changed since i worked for them back in the early 90s....*snip*.


The internal structural changes of GW and their effects have been oft repeated, and will be familiar to anyone who has been part of a company (in any industry) going through a similar process. I heard some absolutely appalling stuff during my time at GW and afterwards, some of which I just couldn't repeat on a public forum. Suffice to say, they have had their 'night of the long knives', and on more than one occasion.

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I'm actually relatively new to GW (only started collecting in the last year or so) - when did all this corporate change start for them? I'm aware it might have had something to do with the original owners selling the company, or something along those lines, but that's as far as my understanding extends.

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My FLGS is inside of a Mall so it's not the biggest one around, but for it's size it has a great stock and good spacing.

The Tables are in the middle of the store, and are centralized to allow for maximum room and movement, and the painter counter is a high bar like area with bar stools!

I'm the only IG at my store, even though it's ALWAYS busy with people buying new things, so I always play on the table next to the IG section, because I am the only one who buys there so I get lots of room!

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The main reason I don't buy online is to help support my FLGS. I think that if they were to ever shut down I'd probably switch to online rather than buying directly from the nearest GW (which is a good hour drive away). I love their games, but their policies really turn me off.

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NimbleJack3 wrote:I'm actually relatively new to GW (only started collecting in the last year or so) - when did all this corporate change start for them? I'm aware it might have had something to do with the original owners selling the company, or something along those lines, but that's as far as my understanding extends.


During the mid to late nineties it was well in force with it truly being amped up to 11 at the time of LOTR's release in 2001 in my experience.


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SiLKY wrote:I live in NYC where the closes gameshop happens to be GW in Manhattan which is an hour away by subway. Fortunately there doesn't seem to be any of the issues you guys are facing in yours. Although I don't really ever see anyone buy anything but maybe it's just me.


Thanks for mentioning that. I'm gonna be on Queens College next year, so that's a huge boon for me.

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I'd have to say it's subjective and very much dependant on the staff members in question. Local store has had brilliant managers who have put time, effort and energy into making the store grow and also lousy managers who did nothing, sat around idle or proceeded to nick things after being sacked.

I support the local GW simply because it offers better resources for games and the like. Sure, there's a local GCN club - which charges far too much, doesn't take into account circumstances and pulled a sneaky on me with their store - purchased a Hydra from them. Had to wait a month to get it. And conveniently enough they increased their discount from 5% to 20% the day after I bought it and never made any effort to compensate for that.

So not only did I have to wait for a month for my order but I effectively got swindled - and this is a local GCN club/store.

At least the local GW has the balls to admit when they're wrong and goes out of the way to fix it.


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LunaHound wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?


Which is totally subjective. Hanging out with possibly influential people could have a larger and more lasting impact ( with your connection, maturity growth, perspective ) than a box of plastic soldiers.

What? You mean when people go to clubs and get so drunk they can't speak, they're making connections and improving their lives?
That's bs.
A night out entertains you for an evening, a box of 40k entertains you for a week, maybe more maybe less, depends how much spare time you have.

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Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?
GW is not over-priced.
And the rules may not be perfect but they're pretty streamlined on the whole. For all that people on dakka brag about other wargames they aren't nearly as acceccesable as 40k.


For that money you could also get a pretty decent deck for any TCG you like, and start playing right away. Or a PC/Console game. Or the basic rules of most P&P games. In terms of nerdy man toyz, warhammer is about as expensive as it gets.
I've only played warmachines once during my lunchbreak at a FLGS where they were showing people how it works. But I found it just accessible as warhammer40k.

It's also not like GW hands out their rules for free, they are still charging the equivalent of your night out for just the big grey book. For that kind of money I expect a well written rules set and real FAQ and Errata support, just like all other companies provide who charge similar prices for their books. GW's fire-and-forget attempt at rules has been outdated ever since the millennium began. If they are a fluff and modeling company, they should allow someone else to make money by writing their rules. Right now, they are selling rules in form of the BGB and the Codices which are as expensive as 20% of any decent army (not counting paints), so they damn well should be perfect. There simply is no excuse for the slow updates on the FAQs. Someone scanning the big fanpage's rules forums for those threads with over four pages and adding corresponding FAQs weekly should easily be able to improve the rule's quality tenfold.

In defense of GW, the BGB is a better read than most rulebooks I've read, for example, you can't simply sit down and read all the magic rules in one go without going completely nuts.
It's questionable whether being a good read is better than providing flawless rules.

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I left after I witnessed the cold-bloodedeness of that regime first hand. I got in one day to find the regioanl manager (who was a deeply unpleasant man) and a couple of guys I did not know in the shop. He asked who I was and I asked him where the manager was as I had seen him a couple of days previously and I was expecting him to be in. he told me he had had issues with the store and therefore had come in and sacked all the staff present. I survived because I was not in that day, although he cheerfully told me he would have scaked me too. he said the policy was a clean sweep, sack the entire store staff and start over.

How did they do this?
AFAIK you cannot just up and sack an entire store staff just because the feeling strikes you the Employment Rights Act gives employees the right not to be unfairly dismissed by his employer.

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Joey wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?


Which is totally subjective. Hanging out with possibly influential people could have a larger and more lasting impact ( with your connection, maturity growth, perspective ) than a box of plastic soldiers.

What? You mean when people go to clubs and get so drunk they can't speak, they're making connections and improving their lives?
That's bs.
A night out entertains you for an evening, a box of 40k entertains you for a week, maybe more maybe less, depends how much spare time you have.


Eh, speak for yourself, dude. Not everyone who socializes is an out-of-control drunk. I met my wife during a night out--pretty sure that resulted in something more meaningful than a handful of plastic army men. The entire comparison is ludicrous.
   
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I dunno how we got to going out Vs. buying models, and I'd hope that most people could be able to fit both reasonably in their budget. If you can't, you've probably got more important things than either of them to worry about.

On other notes, I'll share my experience. I live on Long Island, in New York, and I frequent a store called Ravenblood Games, and it's a wonderful place, but there are advantages to going to a Games Workshop. For one, it's stock. GW stores get preferred shipping. Models that are scarce like Pedro Kantor, are more likely to be found there than at a privately owned business. On the other hand, the guy who runs the store sets his own policy and deals with people personally. That makes for a much more intimate atmosphere, as well as a potentially more stable business platform, as he can learn directly what his customers want, and how to make that happen.

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Jidmah wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?
GW is not over-priced.
And the rules may not be perfect but they're pretty streamlined on the whole. For all that people on dakka brag about other wargames they aren't nearly as acceccesable as 40k.


For that money you could also get a pretty decent deck for any TCG you like, and start playing right away.

You mean a card game costs less than highly-detailed plastic models? Well blow me down.
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Or a PC/Console game.

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Jidmah wrote:
Or the basic rules of most P&P games. In terms of nerdy man toyz, warhammer is about as expensive as it gets.

Right, because rulebooks+plastic models cost more than just rulebooks. Great job.

Jidmah wrote:
It's also not like GW hands out their rules for free, they are still charging the equivalent of your night out for just the big grey book. For that kind of money I expect a well written rules set and real FAQ and Errata support, just like all other companies provide who charge similar prices for their books. GW's fire-and-forget attempt at rules has been outdated ever since the millennium began. If they are a fluff and modeling company, they should allow someone else to make money by writing their rules. Right now, they are selling rules in form of the BGB and the Codices which are as expensive as 20% of any decent army (not counting paints), so they damn well should be perfect. There simply is no excuse for the slow updates on the FAQs. Someone scanning the big fanpage's rules forums for those threads with over four pages and adding corresponding FAQs weekly should easily be able to improve the rule's quality tenfold.

You genuinely want a "perfect" ruleset. That renders everything you say about GW invalid.

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Hey, my store is doing fine, and has recently expanded size so much a life-size Dark Angel stands sentinel at the door (scaring off heretics hiding from the rain) so its probably a store thing.

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Lightning Shadows wrote:Hey, my store is doing fine, and has recently expanded size so much a life-size Dark Angel stands sentinel at the door (scaring off heretics hiding from the rain) so its probably a store thing.


That is so boss.

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Joey wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?


Which is totally subjective. Hanging out with possibly influential people could have a larger and more lasting impact ( with your connection, maturity growth, perspective ) than a box of plastic soldiers.

What? You mean when people go to clubs and get so drunk they can't speak, they're making connections and improving their lives?
That's bs.
A night out entertains you for an evening, a box of 40k entertains you for a week, maybe more maybe less, depends how much spare time you have.


I'm not sure what your social life involves, but getting drunk is not the extent of a night out, or hanging out with friends in general. It can be something as awesome as climbing 3,000 feet up a bare rock face, canoeing down a local river, or going fishing, to something simple like just chilling with a friend at his house and drinking a few ale-8's (Very popular drink in KY, I personally think it tastes like but that's just me) You could go see a local band playing at a park or bar (and you don't HAVE to drink at a bar) or even just go see a movie and go bowling. Some activities, like going hiking or climbing, CAN be life changing, and I highly recommend everyone do so at least once in their life. And to be honest, even with all the specialized hiking gear I've bought, it's probably roughly equivalent to what I've spent on 40k (if not less) and impacted my life far more than a few guardsmen ever will And don't even get me started on how much money I've spent on musical equipment...

I remember one of my favorite afternoons, a friend of mine and I played the original X-Com for 12 hours straight. Cost of that afternoon? $5 for me to buy the game for him as a gift on steam, and then $16 between the two of us to get some drinks and pizza. And it was awesome, it was stupid fun and probably one of my favorite moments in video games ever. There was not one drop of alcohol involved at any point of the day.

Sorry to blow up like that, that's not just you. Several people on this forum have this idea that a night out only involves drinking or getting high, and that drives me crazy. My friends and I find all kinds of ways to have cool nights out without doing that, so it just bugs me when people think the only way to have a good time is to get hammered. This rant's been building up for a while

Back OT: We don't have an "official" GW store within two hours of my house, so I can't really speak about that. All we have are independently run FLGS, but they get screwed over by GW corporate policies all the same. My main FLGS can actually get stuff faster by ordering as if he's buying it for himself than if he buys it for the store, and it's not just a couple of days, it's often a week or two faster.

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GW, as a corporate entity, is hopeless. They survive on the strength of their IP and existing market position of their product. They have their good aspects, such as product replacement/customer service and are by far the most advanced plastics kit guys out there making much larger and more detailed/varied kits than any competitor, but as a business organization, they are basically existing in spite of themselves. This is the same company that decided to *borrow* money to pay dividends, which happened to nicely double Mr. Kirby's yearly income while he was both CEO and Chairman in violation of UK law. Their brick and mortar stores have been a revolving chain of failures for the most part, locating them in rather unfathomable places (e.g. rural tennessee locations with highly restricted hours while leaving large metro areas without any presence) and managing them even more poorly.

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Joey wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Joey wrote:Cost of a night out:£30-£40. Cost of a box of troops+paints:~£30. Guess which will last longer?
GW is not over-priced.
And the rules may not be perfect but they're pretty streamlined on the whole. For all that people on dakka brag about other wargames they aren't nearly as acceccesable as 40k.


For that money you could also get a pretty decent deck for any TCG you like, and start playing right away.

You mean a card game costs less than highly-detailed plastic models? Well blow me down.
Jidmah wrote:
Or a PC/Console game.

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PC/Console games cost a bucket-load and will probably be quicker to complete than to paint a ten-man squad.


Your point may have been better made by selecting a game series that isn't known for having a 4 hour long campaign and being ridiculously over-priced, I can't remember ever seeing anyone else charge £40 for a PC game without it being a special edition. For the PC you can buy Skyrim for under £30, Mass Effect 3 for under £20 (in fact you could get all 3 Mass Effect games for under £40).

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