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Hordini wrote:Um, what? I've seen plenty of women working out in sports bras, especially in the summer.

Pretty much the only reason to go to the gym during the summer.

Rimmy wrote:its quite common for the film and TV industry to use full uniforms sans cover to protray people without violating the "impersonating a government offical" law.

Nobody would ever get in trouble for violating the "impersonating a government official law" unless they weren't trying to exercise some authority in conjunction with that impersonating.

rockerbikie wrote:If people can't kiss in uniform, why on earth are they allowed to show partial nudity in uniform?

Why equate breastfeeding to 'partial nudity' as though it's at all sexual? They aren't putting themselves on display for your benefit, it's a biological function to serve their child and unless you choose to oggle, you can't see much. Why people compare breastfeeding to 'dirty' things like urinating and sex acts I don't know. Probably conservative sorts who have 'issues' with a lot of things related to sex.

Thank you for your service.

its also Guard, so who knows what they do because at least in California the ANG has some funky limitations.

I was pointing out we can't be entirely sure thats the ACTUAL airmen in the photo, not a fabricated story (I have 2 kids, my wife could never breast feed standing up like that, let alone with 2 kids. not saying its impossible, just improbable.)

all i'm saying is, the UCMJ if it doesn't have a statuate for this, it will shortly.

bottom line is this, if you're out of uniform, you're out of uniform. period.

oh yea, and don't take anything I say as targeting, i'm just a matter of fact kind of person, its just how I talk, no disrespect intended.

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Rimmy wrote:

Bromsy wrote:

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Bromsy wrote:It would be the damned Air Force coming up with this nonsense. When you are in uniform, you should be Doing Your Job. When you aren't Doing Your Job, get the feth out of uniform. You aren't allowed to chew gum or put your hands in your pockets for gods sake, unless that standard has slipped too since I got out. There are regulations covering the wear and appearance of the military uniform that you are obliged to follow. I don't conflate this with adult sexuality or any other nonsense, it is simply disrespectful to the uniform.

Plus they are outside without covers on.

and not every place in the air force is required to wear your cover out doors. ever been on an active flight line? its a no hat no salute zone.

Is that a flight line? No, it isn't. There are areas with different exemptions to certain parts of the uniform policy. That doesn't mean it's a free for all.

that's an assumption. how can we actually even be sure those women are actually military members? its quite common for the film and TV industry to use full uniforms sans cover to protray people without violating the "impersonating a government offical" law.

and let me guess, marine?

Army, and

"Terran Echegoyen-McCabe, a member of the Air National Guard who was photographed in uniform nursing her 10-month-old twin daughters, says that she's surprised by the reaction to the photos."

... so unless you are saying the whole article is fabricated? Or those aren't the real pictures and they are keeping those pictures private and replacing them with pictures of actors?

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biccat wrote:

Rimmy wrote:its quite common for the film and TV industry to use full uniforms sans cover to protray people without violating the "impersonating a government offical" law.

Nobody would ever get in trouble for violating the "impersonating a government official law" unless they weren't trying to exercise some authority in conjunction with that impersonating.

I have actually witnessed this first hand actually. its VERY rare, but i've seen it done.

I'm sceptical of breastfeeding in public in general, though I suppose that this is solely a result of an adopted cultural norm (-> breasts not covered = indecent!!1) that deep down I wish wouldn't exist.

As someone who has served in the German Air Force, I don't understand what this has to do with a uniform, however. If this is simply due to this "not displaying affection" rule the US forces have (and which I see being violated about every week when I'm reading the papers or watching the news, and which I have trouble understanding as well) I think it'd be logical to assume that breastfeeding falls under it, too. However, judging by the reactions this particular display has received I have a feeling it's something more stupid like the act supposedly violating the sacred masculinity of military service or something. Or when was the last time when people were raging about a returning soldier kissing his/her wife/husband/kids?

SilverMK2 wrote:

I'm sure I've seen pictures of soldiers working in various hot places of the world without shirts on.

Dudes can get sweaty together with no shirts on, that is patriotic, but feeding a baby is just too icky and gross...

I just don't get why this is even discussed... You'd think hot breasfeeding military moms would be like the summum of all conservative fantasies...

Kovnik Obama wrote:I just don't get why this is even discussed... You'd think hot breasfeeding military moms would be like the summum of all conservative fantasies...

Mmmm the one with twins got my conservative fantasies to erect a Midwest defense.

but they're out of uniform when they breast feed. Plus its a public display of affection. Hang the mothers from the highest yard arm

I firmly beleive that there are simply not enough available reasons for breasts to be openly displayed.

Clearly our society still has leaps to do before the singularity.

Melissia wrote:

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Kilkrazy wrote:Presumably some people associate breastfeeding with adult sexuality, and think it is dirty.

I'm going to assume this is the case here.

Yeah, it's pretty stupid, but they do.

Mind you, for women, toplessness itself is considered sexual-- a guy could probably get away with exercising topless, but a woman couldn't, even with a sports bra on...

Here in New York it is legal for a woman to walk around topless in most areas. There are some areas where they can not, same is true for men. It is considered an obscenity.


However, I have yet to see any woman exercise this right.

I know why, But would think I would see it once.

Kovnik Obama wrote:I firmly beleive that there are simply not enough available reasons for breasts to be openly displayed.

And why is that, if I may be as so bold to ask?

Krellnus wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:I firmly beleive that there are simply not enough available reasons for breasts to be openly displayed.

And why is that, if I may be as so bold to ask?

Because once you've seen one set; you want to see the rest.

Piston Honda wrote:However, I have yet to see any woman exercise this right.

You need to visit Europe some day. Granted, in Germany you only see this in specially designated "FKK" areas, but in Sweden you can actually encounter this anywhere.

It's very strange, though. So many modern cultures make public display of female breasts a taboo, yet at the same time sport a fashion industry that churns out swim- and underwear so small that it hardly covers anything - and wearing it is both legal and popular. Cleavage, sideboobs, underboobs, everything is fair game! I've recently seen swimsuits that are barely more than two thin strips of cloth of about ~3cm width covering the front and back of the body in a V-shape.

Perplexing. It seems as if the only truly "forbidden" thing would be the nipple, not the breast. I just wonder if this is because of its central position, because it presents a clear "border" between two things (easier to differentiate between nipple and breast than between breast and torso), or because this is another subconscious thing about breastfeeding.

The army has lots of strange rules and dictacts (At least, the UK army does anyway).

I was taught always to remove my beret if I was smoking a cigarette. Likewise, you can still be fined (technically - not sure how often it happens in practise) if you haven't had a shave that day.

I don't necessarily agree with it but it doesn't surprise me in the least that upper echelons would be upset about military females breastfeeding in uniform.

Kovnik Obama wrote:I just don't get why this is even discussed... You'd think hot breasfeeding military moms would be like the summum of all conservative fantasies...

I think it is because they are not in the kitchen cooking dinner for when their brave soldier husbands return from crushing the Big Bad Evil Terrorist Freedom Hating Oil Blockading French Loving Desert Dwelling Reds threatening All American Freedoms Ever.


Edit: Please note that this post is being facetious... (Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor). Maybe I should have added a smiley or something...

SilverMK2 wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:I just don't get why this is even discussed... You'd think hot breasfeeding military moms would be like the summum of all conservative fantasies...

I think it is because they are not in the kitchen cooking dinner for when their brave soldier husbands return from crushing the Big Bad Evil Terrorist Freedom Hating Oil Blockading French Loving Desert Dwelling Reds threatening All American Freedoms Ever.

Misogynist post is Misogynist

Basically anything that distracts from the uniforn is a no-no. Uniform regulations are very specific and strict.

I would say dueling mammary glands exposed in public attached to young fertile females would be a bit distracting!

AustonT wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:I just don't get why this is even discussed... You'd think hot breasfeeding military moms would be like the summum of all conservative fantasies...

I think it is because they are not in the kitchen cooking dinner for when their brave soldier husbands return from crushing the Big Bad Evil Terrorist Freedom Hating Oil Blockading French Loving Desert Dwelling Reds threatening All American Freedoms Ever.

Misogynist post is Misogynist

Facetious post is... not obvious enough?

SilverMK2 wrote:Facetious post is... not obvious enough?

You misspelled "projection."

biccat wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:Facetious post is... not obvious enough?

You misspelled "projection."

Apparently so

Piston Honda wrote:I know why, But would think I would see it once.

Having lived in Florida and seen Europeans change in the open at the beach, and having spent some time in a "naturist" resort, I can say, with confidence, No, no you don't. 99.9% of those folks really shouldn't get nekkid in public. Really.

Rimmy wrote:Did you seriously just liken someone being shot in the chest to breast feeding?

There is also blood and gore involved in bullets. not so much with breastfeeding.

Unless they're teething...

OT: They deserve any punishment that their chain of command decides to levy upon them. As Ssgt's, they know better than to support any sort of potentially controversial ideology while in uniform. I'm not against breastfeeding in public, but there are a number of reasons why this should not have occured:

1. There are child care centers on base that will gladly watch your children for you while you are at work.
2. You are not supposed to wear your uniform while off duty(without authorization), except for things like small errands on the way to and from work, and for authorized travel.
3. There is a uniform policy. Unless you have authorization, are in a restricted area, or are working on a detail, there is no reason why you should be outdoors without your cover or out of uniform.
4. And while it certainly could be a flightline(with the cameras facing away from the flightline for obvious reasons), children and family members are generally restricted from entering those areas unless it is for specific functions. Breast feeding is most-likely not an approved function.

Common sense in the military generally suggests that if you do something that you know is controversial, or something that will undoubtedly annoy those of higher rank, you're gonna get in trouble. It may not be illegal, but they can certainly make your life hell for it.

Ok, Im confused. What is a "Cover"

Cover is another term for hat.

Nocturn wrote:Cover is another term for hat.

not always. could be a flight cap, or a beret etc etc

its a generic term for any piece of uniform that goes on your head. not always a hat though. (symmantical I know)