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Frazzled wrote:
...er...what?

Thomas Jefferson had a VP named George Clinton, as in George Clinton of P-Funk.

Frazzled wrote:
Don't distract.

Not distracting, pointing out that being a governor doesn't mean much.

Frazzled wrote:
He had experience in running a multibillion dolar enterprise and the most powerful state in the Union (at that time). That beats Sharpton lite community organizing hands down.

Not really, not based on historical examinations of Presidential experience. Looking at the 20th century we get Wilson, Coolidge, FDR, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II. That's success, failure, success, failure, success, success, failure. Four out of seven isn't great.

Frazzled wrote:
Thats my point (except Gore, he's an idiot). The VPS that followed them were...flawed.

By followed them you mean Biden.

And Gore is quite smart, you just don't like him.

Frazzled wrote:

Actually no, it goes back to Arthur.

I think you’re making a joke. Just not catching it. The image of a bumbling Dudley Moore is getting in my way. Chester A Arthur?

Funny, I thought he was a law professor, community organizer, father, and terrible communist terrorist seeking to undermine the good, Christian foundations of totally not socialist America*.

Exactly. (oh its adjunct law professor actually). He didn’t do much before his present occupation*
*terrorist communist terrorist seeking to undermine the good, Christian foundations of totally not socialist America.

His law review and book bio denote his Kenyan origin however.

ya because a book bio is proof of citizenship now and is more legally binding than a birth certificate right?

Because his father was Kenyan he was probably a dual citizen til he turned 18, then the US no longer recognizes dual citizenship.

Frazzled wrote:Thats not a very good shot Dogma. He was also head of the actor's guild, and Governor of the tiny state of California.

Is that the Film Actor's Guild?

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats not a very good shot Dogma. He was also head of the actor's guild, and Governor of the tiny state of California.

Is that the Film Actor's Guild?

Screen Actors Guild, but yes.

Ahtman wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats not a very good shot Dogma. He was also head of the actor's guild, and Governor of the tiny state of California.

Is that the Film Actor's Guild?

Screen Actors Guild, but yes.

SAG? Still not a very good acronym...

Grakmar wrote:

dogma wrote:*Fun question: can a test tube baby be President?

Better question: can a c-section baby be President?

I didn't think the in-vitro idea could be one-upped, but I think you successfully did so. Excellent job, gentlemen.

Ouze wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

dogma wrote:*Fun question: can a test tube baby be President?

Better question: can a c-section baby be President?

I didn't think the in-vitro idea could be one-upped, but I think you successfully did so. Excellent job, gentlemen.

According to Shakespeare the answer would be no as those born by C-section are not born of woman.

But who listens to old Bill, eh?

Grakmar wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I think we're glossing over this Sith thing...

Because you're wrong.

Sith are born totally naturally. It's the conception that's unnatural.

Wait, I thought being Sith was more of a lifestyle choice?

No. Why does it matter that he was a contestant?


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AduroT wrote:Wait, I thought being Sith was more of a lifestyle choice?

There was, technically, a Sith race at one point, though if it still exists in canon I couldn't say, as I don't keep track of star wars canon.


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A sith pureblood.

Grakmar wrote:If Obama wasn't born a US citizen (meaning that he wasn't actually born in Hawai'i, and the woman everyone says is his mother isn't really his mother), he wouldn't be a US citizen now, as he was never naturalized. As such, he wouldn't be able to be a senator either.

Ah yes, very clever.


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Kovnik Obama wrote:Is it safe to assume that at least a large number of birther's are racially motivated ?

I think the birther movement would be a lot more coherent if racism really was a strong theme.

Instead, I think it's just the result of US politics becoming increasingly silly in the last decade and a half, give or take. I remember people complaining about Bush wasn't legally elected, and when I asked them why they thought that, they'd list all the bad stuff Bush had done in office, as if being a bad president meant they weren't really elected in the first place.

It's just kind of a childish, emotional reaction, he's not the guy I liked, so he couldn't possibly have been really elected.


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Kilkrazy wrote:Looking at previous elections, how many white presidents or candidate have had their legitimacy challenged on the grounds of birth?

Looking at previous elections, how many have been challenged by the opposition party at all? You've got Hayes in 1876, and then basically nothing until 2000. Now 1876 and 2000 were both very close elections with significant electoral issues, so dispute in both those cases makes sense.

But then in 2004 the Democrats made a hell of a noise about various electoral discrepancies, despite Bush having recorded a very comfortable win and none of those discrepancies being anywhere near enough to impact the final result. The Birther stuff now may be even sillier than those complaints, but it's likely motivated by the same stuff - the political divide is so strong now that people find it unthinkable that 'their side' might be out of office, so they become willing to believe stuff that says their guy should be in office, even if it's really, really stupid.

One could make a far better (but still not very good) argument about Bush's legitimacy from how it ended up being based off of a court ruling. But yeah, just doing bad things doesn't mean he wasn't legitimately elected.

Melissia wrote:No. Why does it matter that he was a contestant?


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AduroT wrote:Wait, I thought being Sith was more of a lifestyle choice?

There was, technically, a Sith race at one point, though if it still exists in canon I couldn't say, as I don't keep track of star wars canon.


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A sith pureblood.

The planet where the dark side of the force was originally found had a race living on it, but they were dead by Bane's time (IIRC ~1000BBY)

Frazzled wrote:
His law review and book bio denote his Kenyan origin however.

I thought it was pretty much a national passtime for Americans to trace their roots to exotic places - such as Ireland, Italy etc...you know, anywhere other than America

And to celebrate that as part of the American Dream.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
His law review and book bio denote his Kenyan origin however.

I thought it was pretty much a national passtime for Americans to trace their roots to exotic places - such as Ireland, Italy etc...you know, anywhere other than America

No, as in 'he was born in Kenya" Kenyan roots.

I don't go in for the birther nonsense. Its just that nonsense. But I do believe the Obama administration used it as a tool to keep smoking out birthers to make their opposition look stupid. I also believe there's a screen to cover that he's used different locations flexibly for advantage. I only get rankled when the media goes after Romney playing hookey in the 3rd grade when they never discussed Obama admitted heavy use of drugs like cocaine. the double standard is quite annoying.

"Ich bin ein Berliner"- Can't elect this guy! He says he's German! Or a jelly donut. Either way, clearly not eligible to be President for reals.

Mannahnin wrote:"Ich bin ein Berliner"- Can't elect this guy! He says he's German! Or a jelly donut. Either way, clearly not eligible to be President for reals.

Hey I would have voted for someone who says he's a jelly donut!

Frazzled wrote: the double standard is quite annoying.

They always are when you're on the wrong side.

Most people don't complain much when it's in their favor.

Frazzled wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
His law review and book bio denote his Kenyan origin however.

I thought it was pretty much a national passtime for Americans to trace their roots to exotic places - such as Ireland, Italy etc...you know, anywhere other than America

No, as in 'he was born in Kenya" Kenyan roots.

I don't go in for the birther nonsense. Its just that nonsense. But I do believe the Obama administration used it as a tool to keep smoking out birthers to make their opposition look stupid. I also believe there's a screen to cover that he's used different locations flexibly for advantage. I only get rankled when the media goes after Romney playing hookey in the 3rd grade when they never discussed Obama admitted heavy use of drugs like cocaine. the double standard is quite annoying.

Well the difference is Obama himself admitted his use of drugs, so he beat them to the punch. If they run stories about it Obama just says "Yes, I did. I said so in my autobiography, I do not believe in keeping secrets about myself from the American people." Then he get's a huge boost because people see him as a really honest guy. If he hadn't spoken about it before and then got called up on it it would be very damaging, so it was a smart move to get it out there on his own terms.

A Town Called Malus wrote:Well the difference is Obama himself admitted his use of drugs, so he beat them to the punch. If they run stories about it Obama just says "Yes, I did. I said so in my autobiography, I do not believe in keeping secrets about myself from the American people." Then he get's a huge boost because people see him as a really honest guy. If he hadn't spoken about it before and then got called up on it it would be very damaging, so it was a smart move to get it out there on his own terms.

Thats doesn't cut it. Romney has admitted he's rich. Still lots of stories about it and his upbringing as a rich kid. if it were a Republican we would have been entertained with endless stories about his drug use and association with radicals. We would have been party to his links to radical law movements (critical race theory) and socialist groups that came out in the last six months. We'd also know more about his grades, and gruesome detail about the types of dog he ate. Look at how they went after Bush's past. he admitted he had a past but they continued to go after it.


News flash, neither of these turkeys are anything like me, or anyone I am friends with. We're talking a campaign featuring a multimillionaire vs. a multimillionaire. Its not relevant. How they are going to manage the country (or have mismanaged it at this point) is.

Frazzled wrote:Thats doesn't cut it. Romney has admitted he's rich. Still lots of stories about it and his upbringing as a rich kid.

I guess the difference is that Obama did drugs quite some time ago and Romney still is rich. Past <-> Present.

I'm also surprised that anyone really thinks that it's the Democrats who are throwing the most dirt around, considering certain Republican TV spots and other campaign methods etc. It should be fairly obvious who turned this election into what it is.

I don't mind dirt. I want current dirt. Dirt dirt dirt. Its all part of the sport and make it fun.

I just want one debate where the opponents quit being girly men.

Frazzled's ideal debate exchange 30 seconds into the Presidential debate:
Romney: "You're a commie bent on destroying America."
Obama: "You're a robber baron destroying da peoples."
Romney:"incompetent boob."
Obama:"imperialist dog."


Yes!

Frazzled wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
His law review and book bio denote his Kenyan origin however.

I thought it was pretty much a national passtime for Americans to trace their roots to exotic places - such as Ireland, Italy etc...you know, anywhere other than America

No, as in 'he was born in Kenya" Kenyan roots.

I don't go in for the birther nonsense. Its just that nonsense. But I do believe the Obama administration used it as a tool to keep smoking out birthers to make their opposition look stupid.

If Birthers keep rising to the same bait, although it is only dangled to make them look stupid, doesn't that indicate that they are stupid?

Kilkrazy wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
His law review and book bio denote his Kenyan origin however.

I thought it was pretty much a national passtime for Americans to trace their roots to exotic places - such as Ireland, Italy etc...you know, anywhere other than America

No, as in 'he was born in Kenya" Kenyan roots.

I don't go in for the birther nonsense. Its just that nonsense. But I do believe the Obama administration used it as a tool to keep smoking out birthers to make their opposition look stupid.

If Birthers keep rising to the same bait, although it is only dangled to make them look stupid, doesn't that indicate that they are stupid?

You betcha boyo!

Lynata wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats doesn't cut it. Romney has admitted he's rich. Still lots of stories about it and his upbringing as a rich kid.

I guess the difference is that Obama did drugs quite some time ago and Romney still is rich. Past <-> Present.

I'm also surprised that anyone really thinks that it's the Democrats who are throwing the most dirt around, considering certain Republican TV spots and other campaign methods etc. It should be fairly obvious who turned this election into what it is.

Rupert Murdoch?
I mean...
He has been accused several times of playing politics and using his media empire to create a divided US political ideology so he can make more money...

purplefood wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats doesn't cut it. Romney has admitted he's rich. Still lots of stories about it and his upbringing as a rich kid.

I guess the difference is that Obama did drugs quite some time ago and Romney still is rich. Past <-> Present.

I'm also surprised that anyone really thinks that it's the Democrats who are throwing the most dirt around, considering certain Republican TV spots and other campaign methods etc. It should be fairly obvious who turned this election into what it is.

Rupert Murdoch?
I mean...
He has been accused several times of playing politics and using his media empire to create a divided US political ideology so he can make more money...

He's also been accused of doing the same (or similar) in the UK IIRC.

Tibbsy wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats doesn't cut it. Romney has admitted he's rich. Still lots of stories about it and his upbringing as a rich kid.

I guess the difference is that Obama did drugs quite some time ago and Romney still is rich. Past <-> Present.

I'm also surprised that anyone really thinks that it's the Democrats who are throwing the most dirt around, considering certain Republican TV spots and other campaign methods etc. It should be fairly obvious who turned this election into what it is.

Rupert Murdoch?
I mean...
He has been accused several times of playing politics and using his media empire to create a divided US political ideology so he can make more money...

He's also been accused of doing the same (or similar) in the UK IIRC.

He's been accused of trying, it's starting to tell but it's a different audience really...
That said the recession gave him the perfect opening...

Frazzled wrote: I only get rankled when the media goes after Romney playing hookey in the 3rd grade when they never discussed Obama admitted heavy use of drugs like cocaine. the double standard is quite annoying.

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. Saying the Media (whatever that is) is in the tank for Obama won't save Romney.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote: I only get rankled when the media goes after Romney playing hookey in the 3rd grade when they never discussed Obama admitted heavy use of drugs like cocaine. the double standard is quite annoying.

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. Saying the Media (whatever that is) is in the tank for Obama won't save Romney.

My problem with nearly all accusations of media bias is that they clearly suffer from observer bias. When you want to see bias, you are more likely to.

It makes assigning any actual validity difficult, beyond a sort of gut feeling.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote: I only get rankled when the media goes after Romney playing hookey in the 3rd grade when they never discussed Obama admitted heavy use of drugs like cocaine. the double standard is quite annoying.

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. Saying the Media (whatever that is) is in the tank for Obama won't save Romney.

Am I the only person who thinks Game of Thrones is boring? After episode one its been kind of a slog except for the Dothrakians. Admittedly I am only in Season One but I'm not buying the other seasons at this rate.