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Frazzled wrote:You'd literally die if you were near me for five minutes then.

The weiners'll eat well tonight boys!

doc1234 wrote:Was a bit warm and iritible, he was doing the "we know something you dont know" bit and il admit, it got to me a little and i said "look, we both know its 6ed, wasnt hard to find out on the forums, same as everything else gets leaked" and his response surprised me. he swore. not AT me, he said along the lines "bloody W**kseer, not worth the effort with low rez images"

So that's a 'yes' then? Really it's a bit unprofessional but probably not worth taking the guy to task over. It depends on the tone of it, if it was just exasperation then that's okay, but if it was nasty or aggressive in tone then that I wouldn't appreciate it.

Is the air around you actually blue, Frazzled, or is that just an expression?

OverwatchCNC wrote:

pretre wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:God forbid there be standards of decency.

Oh come on. Pull the other one. I've said worse in the last 20 minutes. He didn't swear at the guy, he just was having a conversation with him and used some colorful language.

Chances are if the OP was hanging out with his friends, he would have said a lot worse and not thought twice about it.

That isn't the point. The portion in red is highly subjective, obviously you would be fine with it but the OP is not otherwise he wouldn't have posted. The guy is working at a job where there are, I presume, standards to uphold. I haven't said worse in the last 20 minutes, you know why? I am at work.

If the OP said worse and didn't think twice about it that wouldn't be a problem because he isn't at work talking to a customer.

I am at work also. We live on creative epitaphs with people thousands of miles away.

Seriously, get over it. If he doesn't like it, life is going to not be kind to him. best to hide in the basement now.


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pretre wrote:

Frazzled wrote:You'd literally die if you were near me for five minutes then.

The weiners'll eat well tonight boys!

They just think of that as ancillary benefits.


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pretre wrote:Is the air around you actually blue, Frazzled, or is that just an expression?

More full of the flashing ANGRY RED LIGHTNING signs like angry marines.

pretre wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Im 20, and still you would expect a certain standard in any shop. he wasnt to know i wouldnt take offense, putting it down to age is nothing. Its like if hed said something, anything homophobic in the assumption i was straight. Its context.

Okay, Overwatch had me with you, but now you're moving away again...

Calling it jerkoffseer is way less bad than making homophobic or racist statements or calling it mf'ing mentally disabled-seer. I agree that he doesn't know how you'll take it, but try not to attribute worse behavior than what occured to the situation.

There's only so much I can do...

OP you're on your own, I don't want to go down this road with Frazzled so I will leave you with this. Would I personally report the guy? No. Do I think you have grounds to if you feel like it? Absolutely. Do I think you'll be any of the less colorful things your being called if you do? No. I also think you can have standards of professional decency and not have to live in your basement but maybe I am alone there.

OverwatchCNC wrote:

pretre wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Im 20, and still you would expect a certain standard in any shop. he wasnt to know i wouldnt take offense, putting it down to age is nothing. Its like if hed said something, anything homophobic in the assumption i was straight. Its context.

Okay, Overwatch had me with you, but now you're moving away again...

Calling it jerkoffseer is way less bad than making homophobic or racist statements or calling it mf'ing mentally disabled-seer. I agree that he doesn't know how you'll take it, but try not to attribute worse behavior than what occured to the situation.

There's only so much I can do...

OP you're on your own, I don't want to go down this road with Frazzled so I will leave you with this. Would I personally report the guy? No. Do I think you have grounds to if you feel like it? Absolutely. Do I think you'll be any of the less colorful things your being called if you do? No. I also think you can have standards of professional decency and not have to live in your basement but maybe I am alone there.

at the end of the day, someone in his position should know better, and it goes against work ethics and codes of conduct that every shop/store has. there are often notices saying staf are to be respected, but what about the other way around? end of the day yes language is prevalant to everyone who doesnt live under a rock, but wether im 10,20, 30, 40 or 50. if you go into any shop you expect a certain standard of courtesy

doc1234 wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:

pretre wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Im 20, and still you would expect a certain standard in any shop. he wasnt to know i wouldnt take offense, putting it down to age is nothing. Its like if hed said something, anything homophobic in the assumption i was straight. Its context.

Okay, Overwatch had me with you, but now you're moving away again...

Calling it jerkoffseer is way less bad than making homophobic or racist statements or calling it mf'ing mentally disabled-seer. I agree that he doesn't know how you'll take it, but try not to attribute worse behavior than what occured to the situation.

There's only so much I can do...

OP you're on your own, I don't want to go down this road with Frazzled so I will leave you with this. Would I personally report the guy? No. Do I think you have grounds to if you feel like it? Absolutely. Do I think you'll be any of the less colorful things your being called if you do? No. I also think you can have standards of professional decency and not have to live in your basement but maybe I am alone there.

at the end of the day, someone in his position should know better, and it goes against work ethics and codes of conduct that every shop/store has. there are often notices saying staf are to be respected, but what about the other way around? end of the day yes language is prevalant to everyone who doesnt live under a rock, but wether im 10,20, 30, 40 or 50. if you go into any shop you expect a certain standard of courtesy

How about grow a pair already and quite your bs. You report him and he's likely fired.

Here's a better alternative. Quit spending so much time at a store selling toy soldiers to 12 year olds that the retail staff there know you and you know all their names. You're looking for an excuse to get pissed off and it stinks to high heaven.

Everyone makes mistakes. They made a minor slip up. Move the on already.

What do expect and/or wish to achieve by reporting him?

A tiny little halo and a good feeling tonight when taking a dump?

Dunno?

After reading this thread, I have two revelations:

The GW employee shouldn't have said what he did, but at least he said something reasonable rather than downright offensive.

The OP must play Xbox live a lot.

To the OP~ There's a really easy way to look at the situation:
Were the comments made to an adult who would understand the reason: Likely yes

Were the comments made to a child where it would be considered offensive by most persons: No.

Were you personally offended to the point where you feel like you need to take immediate action because you or someone else was insulted in a culturally, religious, or overall severely insulting way: it doesn't sound like it if you are still thinking on it. If you were, you would have had an immediate in the moment reaction, not a think about it later that day.

Sounds like your an adult. I would let it go and just keep it in the mind for later interaction. Even mention to the staff on the next occurance you were bothered by their language they use, and you found it somewhat offensive. See how the person reactions. If it was different and he was cursing at a child, i'd say go above his head. If its casual swearing which you see similarly on TV and there are no children around, its an opportunity ot approach the person.

To me, it sounds like language you'd hear in friendly gaming with people of similar ages, I really wouldn't be concerned much. Always thing of this: if my actions cause this person to be fired do I feel they are justifiable. If you are thinking no, or maybe, you don't go above their head, talk to them like an adult. If your thinking definitively "yes" you have to do what you have to do. My first suggestion is always talk about the incident to the person first. If he blows you off or swears again, that's different. If he says "wow I never thought of it that way" and he's honest, you may have done a better thing then going over their head.

pretre wrote:I am at work. I have still said worse in the last 20 minutes to people I don't work directly with but have a history with, just like this guy.

We swear at work all the time-my boss once called me up and his first words were: "what's up, muthafetha?!" I'd like to say I'm making it up, but I'm not. He also drew a middle finger on notes I was taking during a workshop we were doing in December. My boss is alright.

Also, 'spank' is really a curse-word? That's fething brilliant. Trust the Brit's to have such asshattery. One of my friends last names sounds like spank, only has one letter off. We make fun of him for it. No wonder he isn't amused. Matty, I'm sure you'll be in this thread before long, please PM me with a list of all the British swear words you know, and what their meanings are. I figure that should keep me entertained for about a week after it takes you three months to get the shear amount of them down on paper. Lol

njpc wrote:To the OP~ There's a really easy way to look at the situation:
Were the comments made to an adult who would understand the reason: Likely yes

Were the comments made to a child where it would be considered offensive by most persons: No.

Were you personally offended to the point where you feel like you need to take immediate action because you or someone else was insulted in a culturally, religious, or overall severely insulting way: it doesn't sound like it if you are still thinking on it. If you were, you would have had an immediate in the moment reaction, not a think about it later that day.

Sounds like your an adult. I would let it go and just keep it in the mind for later interaction. Even mention to the staff on the next occurance you were bothered by their language they use, and you found it somewhat offensive. See how the person reactions. If it was different and he was cursing at a child, i'd say go above his head. If its casual swearing which you see similarly on TV and there are no children around, its an opportunity ot approach the person.

To me, it sounds like language you'd hear in friendly gaming with people of similar ages, I really wouldn't be concerned much. Always thing of this: if my actions cause this person to be fired do I feel they are justifiable. If you are thinking no, or maybe, you don't go above their head, talk to them like an adult. If your thinking definitively "yes" you have to do what you have to do. My first suggestion is always talk about the incident to the person first. If he blows you off or swears again, that's different. If he says "wow I never thought of it that way" and he's honest, you may have done a better thing then going over their head.

True enough, what got to me was the fact he swore which offended me, not what he said, which i can live with, as has been said, i swear a blue streak and we say worse. So i suppose il do that, end of the day isnt like i cant just deside not to go there, i could, theres 2 FLGS down the road from there another GW within an hours walk of my house, its just i LIKE that gw, im used to it lol. Still suppose best i can do is go talk to him tomorow while im up there and see what he says.

heh and no i dont play xbox live, dont really play videogames much generaly cept on the bus or over my lunchbreak

doc1234 wrote:Was a bit warm and iritible, he was doing the "we know something you dont know" bit and il admit, it got to me a little and i said "look, we both know its 6ed, wasnt hard to find out on the forums, same as everything else gets leaked" and his response surprised me. he swore. not AT me, he said along the lines "bloody W**kseer, not worth the effort with low rez images"

Nah I dont think you should report him as he could possibly lose his job.

What you should have responded with:

Him: "bloody W**kseer, not worth the effort with low rez images"

You: "Maybe but it's a far better option than reading through that S**t magazine"

Lol, but dont report him cause everyone has bad days from time to time

Necro wrote:

doc1234 wrote:Was a bit warm and iritible, he was doing the "we know something you dont know" bit and il admit, it got to me a little and i said "look, we both know its 6ed, wasnt hard to find out on the forums, same as everything else gets leaked" and his response surprised me. he swore. not AT me, he said along the lines "bloody W**kseer, not worth the effort with low rez images"

Nah I dont think you should report him as he could possibly lose his job.

What you should have responded with:

Him: "bloody W**kseer, not worth the effort with low rez images"

You: "Maybe but it's a far better option than reading through that S**t magazine"

Lol, but dont report him cause everyone has bad days from time to time

haha read up, i desided not to go that far

tbh he seems to have a WD hardon anyway, its the one thing he tries getting me to buy most and iv tried to keep civil and put him off over it saying il borrow a friends subscription when he brings it up every week im there (none of them have one of course, just better than telling him to feth off about it)

I feel for the OP here a bit, it's not really the swearing that would get me. If you're a regular at the store now he'll forever be known as "That Warseer/Dakka/Tacobell guy" who only lives in his basement and is on the Internet 24/7 (except to come down to the store). He's the one the staffers will demean as, heaven forbid a customer knows something the staffer does not know, because he goes on the Internet and we all know the Internet and GW do not mix.

I've had it happen to myself, with staffers moaning of "bloody Warseer" etc. who apparently "ruin the HHHobby" with their websites.

@Grimtuff: Umm, again I think we may be reading too far into this. He said nothing about being discriminated against or demeaned, he just was present for a conversation where the employee called it jerkoffseer.

I've worked in retail before and if I swore on the shop floor even if it was to the store manager then something would have been said about it.

Who ever you are talking to, if you are in a public facing environment use of any bad language is unprofessional. Not to mention what if some 14 year old was there with a parent what would they have to say? I've taken my 5 year old to my local GW and if they'd used that language whilst I was in the store I would make sure they didn't work there long.

I'm honestly curious; why is w**k considered to have homosexual overtones? Do straight Britons not, uh, service themselves, or is w**k something only done unto others, not to oneself?

@Foster: The fact is that there was no one else there. You can't say 'What if I brought my 5 year old?' because you didn't. He was there with the GW guy and he said it.

I agree, if there was a 5 year old there this would be a different issue. Also, if the Pope was there, some japanese school girls or perhaps my dead grandmother, but none of those people were there.

If using the word spank is offensive I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Griever wrote:If using the word spank is offensive I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Dibs on your stuff!

Seriously though, I don't know that anyone (besides you) is saying that spank isn't offensive. We're saying it isn't a big deal. It is all about context.

@pretre: No your right those people weren't there at the time, however the OP hasn't said there was just him and the manager there and no one else. Regardless of who was there any sort of bad language should not be used in a shop

He's not 5 he's 20. He's likely older than the staff.

As has been said, what would you hope to achieve? If he does it again remind him about the lingo. Enough done there.

I'm frankly shocked you still remember it, or would have remembered it five minutes after.

pretre wrote:@Grimtuff: Umm, again I think we may be reading too far into this. He said nothing about being discriminated against or demeaned, he just was present for a conversation where the employee called it jerkoffseer.

I'm referring to the fact that if the OP is a regular customer at the store, not if he is a random passer-by. Trust me, I've seen it happen, not just to myself. GW does not like the Internet and mention of sites like Dakka etc. from what I've witnessed (depending on the staffer) is considered verboten instore, and gets you nothing but RAEG! from the staff member, it's like some staffer's bezerk button.

I remember several years ago playing a game instore and we were idly chatting about what we'd read on this very site, I didn't notice a staffer starting work and he came right up in my face as he was going into the back area and said "Is that why you're still a virgin then?" I wanted to punch that fether. Should have reported him but I didn't really know I could do those kind of things back then.

Thats awesome and awesomely not pertinent.

So basically, you're trying to imprint your experience onto this guy's story. Yeah...

pretre wrote:So basically, you're trying to imprint your experience onto this guy's story. Yeah...

No, I've seen it happen in multiple stores to multiple people. Mention those magic words of "Warseer", "Dakka", "BOLS", etc. and either you'll get a good chat with a staffer or it will be their berserk button. Thing is, you cannot tell.

Frazzled wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Not worth the time as he didn't swear at you.

As an aside you're in your teens right? You hear swearing every two minutes in teenland. Whats your problem?

God forbid there be standards of decency.

You'd literally die if you were near me for five minutes then.

lol'd

Being over sensative i fear. If you worked where I do you'd expect that and worse just as a greeting.