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Sasa0mg wrote:Well there not battlebrothers I think it literally means if both turn up on the same field they will work aside each other, but im pretty positive the second that need is over the DE will be gone for sure.

Yes, they are battle brothers. Don't let your Warhammer Fantasy fluff confuse your 40k fluff.

The allied matrix makes little to no sense in many places and they are given little if any fluff explanation. Ultramarines and Tau are apparently brothers in arms, yet the fluff part of the rulebook talks about them regularly fighting in 999.M41

Really for some of the allies decisions I think GW just used a dartboard.

Harriticus wrote:The allied matrix makes little to no sense in many places and they are given little if any fluff explanation. Ultramarines and Tau are apparently brothers in arms, yet the fluff part of the rulebook talks about them regularly fighting in 999.M41

Really for some of the allies decisions I think GW just used a dartboard.

Tau are a fairly neutral faction, allowing them to alliance with the imperium and some of the xenos. I don't really see anything wrong with it.

Kevlar wrote:

Sasa0mg wrote:Well there not battlebrothers I think it literally means if both turn up on the same field they will work aside each other, but im pretty positive the second that need is over the DE will be gone for sure.

Yes, they are battle brothers. Don't let your Warhammer Fantasy fluff confuse your 40k fluff.

I was referring to demons / slaanesh and Dark eldar in the rules aren't battle brothers, so even though they can work together in the unlikely event of it, its going to be far from willing and directly after the battle they will not stick around to have tea and biscuits. I wasn't bringing fantasy into this at all xD
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As far as Dark Eldar and Eldar, I know they are battle brothers because I've seen the charts lol its a little tough to see them as being "that close" which is the problem I have with acknowledging them in the status of battle brothers.

especially if anyone remembers the old alliance table that was briefly released way back for paired games. I think it was for some campaign I don't remember now, but there status was untrustworthy towards everyone but now for some reason can call eldar there battle brothers O.o

I never viewed the Dark Eldar and the Eldar having the same shism that the High Elves Dark Elves had, like others have said, just a disagreement and distaste. Your brother may be a git, but well, hes your git, no one else is gonna push him around but you. Same thing for the Eldar/Dark Eldar.

If i rememeber correctly they give reference to the dark eldar fighting on Iyanden against the tyranid invasion.

While they might be on other sides of the spectrum their overall goals of restoring their race to its former glory are similar.

A few black library novels mention the two working together and being in contact through the harlequins, perhaps this is represented in the allies list,

"I against my brother, my brothers and I against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."

--Beduin Proverb


Zarry

Zarryiosiad wrote:"I against my brother, my brothers and I against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."

--Beduin Proverb


Zarry

So Dark Eldar is Eldar's brother

and Tau is the cousin

Everyone else are strangers!

Nagashek wrote:

A better quesion is why Dark Eldar are allowed to ally with Slaaneshi daemons...

Actually, if you read The Warrior Coven by CS Goto, Lilith has sexy time with a slaneshi demon, so it could happen

Tunach wrote:

Nagashek wrote:

A better quesion is why Dark Eldar are allowed to ally with Slaaneshi daemons...

Actually, if you read The Warrior Coven by CS Goto, Lilith has sexy time with a slaneshi demon, so it could happen

C.S Goto doesn't count. At all.
No one who writes about back flipping terminators should be taken seriously.

Tunach wrote:

Nagashek wrote:

A better quesion is why Dark Eldar are allowed to ally with Slaaneshi daemons...

Actually, if you read The Warrior Coven by CS Goto, Lilith has sexy time with a slaneshi demon, so it could happen

Your rights to post have just been revoked. No one shall reference CS Goto for source material. No one.

Lol@this

one could always assume the daemons or De have enslaved or captured the other, and are using them as "pawns" towards a larger point.

as for eldar/DE i suppose its more of a cultural riff, rather then a actual heresey level hatred... but still. battle brothers? i could see desperate allies... but not brothers in arms. that implies they are all buddie buddie and go have drinks after.

Eldar and DE have very similar world views. Craftworlds are more lawful and although they believe the galaxy belongs to the Eldar they generally stop themselves from taking it right now. The DE also believe the galaxy belongs to them. they on the other hand think everything is theres for the taking.

I created an account, just so I could post this.

It seems that this decision to make the DE battle brothers with CWE has more to do with balancing game mechanics than with fluff because without this rule the DE could never capitalize on the 6th edition update to psychic powers and would make them comparatively weak and defenseless against the other more psychic heavy armies of the 40k universe.  This I imagine is the same reason why CWE are battle brothers with the Tau, seeing as the latter lack psychers of their own just like DE.  I'm also a big fan of this new rule because - as the rest of this thread has pointed out - not only is it upheld decently well by the fluff, but it also distinguishes the DE/CWE dynamic as wholly different from the chaos space marine/imperium dichotomy. (I.e. DE are not chaos eldar)

It's not like in Fantasy, In 40k, they don't really hate each other.

Well, Tau and Eldar are also battle brothers. Not sure there.

It makes sense if you consider the Craftworld Eldar/Dark Eldar more as ways of life than anything else. It's not a religious dogma for them and they're not fanatically opposed to everything that's "wrong" like some Imperial factions are. They just do things their own way and feel superior to (or pity for) those that can't see why they are right. And for the most part they're content to just let the other blunder about until he has to come crawling back and ask for help with the mess he made.

More like the old British colonies and the UK, or perhaps Russia and the former Soviet states... They don't always get along but if an outsider enters their collective area of influence they'll team up against him in a heartbeat.

The way I'm working this personally is just merging the armies together as opposed for my dark elder force taking a contingent of eldar they will all just be dark eldar merely ones that can't capture objectives or score etc.

Only on a model and fluff basis but really, dark eldar seers (seer council) bikers now all eldar bikes move the same speed, just without the flails etc. Walkers and such can be easily customized to have dark eldar bits such as the fins, spikes, blades easily enough to make them just look as though they are converted or even just straight up dark eldar tech.

Short answer to this is: Your mon'keigh brains are too simple to understand the infinite aspects of the Eldar, and are all too quick to deliniate between dark and light.

I think the thing that's causing so much confusion on this issue is that people are automatically assuming that Codex: Eldar means "Craftworld Eldar" - but this just isn't the case. Sure, Craftworld Eldar would blanch at the thought of fighting alongside their dark kin, but what about the Exodites? Or piratical raiders who don't live in the webway? These forces would happily ally with the Dark Eldar, but they still use Codex: Eldar for their rules.