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Can someone try and explain to me how and why of all the armies they got put as battle brothers to eldar xD I thought they hated each other eternally this has me kind of confused @.@

They're only brothers legally. Eldar's sister married Dark Eldar's younger brother.

Sasa0mg wrote:Can someone try and explain to me how and why of all the armies they got put as battle brothers to eldar xD I thought they hated each other eternally this has me kind of confused @.@

I think the line between them is more blurred than some people think. I'm sure there are sympathisers for each, in the others camp.

Having said that, the allies chart makes many arbitrary rulings that don't make a lot of sense.

I think it's more of a disagreement than hate. Besides, I'm sure any flavour of Eldar would rather kill a million humans than one of their own.

A better quesion is why Dark Eldar are allowed to ally with Slaaneshi daemons...

The Eldar race as a whole is very self centered, and they would rather ally with their kin than lesser races...

Sasa0mg wrote:Can someone try and explain to me how and why of all the armies they got put as battle brothers to eldar xD I thought they hated each other eternally this has me kind of confused @.@

Think of the most annoying person you know.
Now imagine you're the only two humans left in a world full of monkeys that are trying to kill you.

It's kinda like that.

IIRC, one of the DE kabals came to Iyanden's aid in some battle. They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart, but they still did it.

Sasa0mg wrote:Can someone try and explain to me how and why of all the armies they got put as battle brothers to eldar xD I thought they hated each other eternally this has me kind of confused @.@

It's so that you'll rethink your list and spend more money on little plastic elves.

I actually have to say I am semi tempted to find a way to put avatar in a fun list and potentially involve walkers >.>; but I really need to get over my current state of confusion to thinking about this stuff @.@

Dheneb wrote:IIRC, one of the DE kabals came to Iyanden's aid in some battle. They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart, but they still did it.

Wasn't that mostly because they found an army of undead wraithguard to be hilarious?

xttz wrote:

Dheneb wrote:IIRC, one of the DE kabals came to Iyanden's aid in some battle. They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart, but they still did it.

Wasn't that mostly because they found an army of undead wraithguard to be hilarious?

Oddly enough, that actually is a very DE way of showing affection. They appreciate the despair of their craftworld kin. Given that in one of the BL books there is a a Dark Eldar romance story built around how one of them falls in love with the impossible grief the other suffers from...

How strange lol.

Well my initial take at this allies things is to just convert the units I take into dark eldar and just pass them off that way so far as I still find the idea weird and don't want to for-go the benefits for the feeling of not belonging

BlaxicanX wrote:They're only brothers legally. Eldar's sister married Dark Eldar's younger brother.

Dark eldar is adopted.

Maybe the DE just like hanging with their grief stricken brethren so they can be rejuvenated by their emotional pain.

Same situation as mentioned earlier where they thought the Eldars grief stricken forays into necromancy were amusing.

Don forget, some of them even train together. Like the Harlequins.

Saptilladerky wrote:Don forget, some of them even train together. Like the Harlequins.

Harliquins are a whole other branch of eldar.

Eldar and Deldar don't hate each other, they just look down on each other's life styles/choices.

Harliquins think they are both idiots, but help them out cause they are all eldar

Von Chogg

The relationship between the two is peculiar.

In Path of the Renegade, we see that Eldar Pathfinders have no problems sniping at Dark Eldar Warriors who've come to enslave a village of Exodite Eldar.

On the other hand, in Path of the Warrior, we see that a former Incubi is training as a Striking Scorpion.

Dheneb wrote:IIRC, one of the DE kabals came to Iyanden's aid in some battle. They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart, but they still did it.

They most certainly did come to help them, and the Eldar were confused about it too. Then the Dark Eldar essentially told them that they couldn't let them die because it was too entertaining to watch them struggle. I love the Dark Eldar, haha.

I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who was confused by it, our 40k group had a good, long laugh when we discovered it.

Dark Eldar don't understand why the Craftworlders can turn their backs on the glory of their race. Craftworlders don't understand why Dark Eldar can't see that their hedonism COST them the glory of their race.

They have a shared enemy in She who Thirsts, and they are, in the end, cousins. Many factions in both camps merely see the other group as misguided, just as Exodites and Craftworlders do to each other. In "Path of the Renegade," one of the main characters wants to overthrow Vect and restore the Eldar race, seeing the Tyrant's rule as the thing that is holding the Eldar back.

Does it make sense? Yes. Does it make more sense than the SoB not being Battle Brothers with... well, practically anyone? No. Does it explain why IG can't ally with Tyranids (if not vice versa) just to have Genestealer lists? Don't make me laugh.

Also it looks like a great way to make Corsair and Exodite lists, so in that way it makes even more sense than just two seperate groups of DE and CE pairing up. Or maybe my Archon has begun fostering a Sorceress in direct contradiction of the Tyrant's order...

All that being said I don't give a fig because I'm done. I might play 6e a bit, but not likely. Not now that I would need to invest in 4 more venoms and 2 more boxes of warriors to have a viable army now that my hybrid build is worthless.

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xttz wrote:I think it's more of a disagreement than hate. Besides, I'm sure any flavour of Eldar would rather kill a million humans than one of their own.

A better quesion is why Dark Eldar are allowed to ally with Slaaneshi daemons...

This, this... a thousand times THIS.

As long as the Harelquins are around the two factions will cooperate in times of need

Against their ancestral foes of She-Who-Thirsts and the Necron, absolutely. Against anybody trying to exploit the webway, definately.

I'd rather team up with CWE than the forces of Chaos or the Necron any day of the week.

They laid some groundwork for this with the Corsair list in IA11 taking Craftworld and Dark Eldar together and Harlequins appearing in both Craftworld and Dark Eldar lists; I think they're working on blurring the line a little. The whole Eldar/Dark Eldar blood feud-hatred thing isn't a central tenant of the armies' concepts the way it is with Chaos and the Imperium, it's more of a problem showing up with specific Craftworlds and Kabals out to kill each other; Corsairs and less strict/more desperate Craftworlds/Kabals are perfectly happy to put aside their philosophical differences for the sake of preserving smugly superior pointy-eared life in the galaxy.

They dislike each other, but they both like each other more than any other race. Like, regardless of the cultural differences, they recognize they're both Eldar.

Could someone point out where DE can battle brother with Slaanesh daemons now?

Looking at the allies chart in the main rulebook indicates only as Desperate Alles can DE fight with Chaos.

Is there something else somewhere that states otherwise?

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Could someone point out where DE can battle brother with Slaanesh daemons now?

Looking at the allies chart in the main rulebook indicates only as Desperate Alles can DE fight with Chaos.

Is there something else somewhere that states otherwise?

Yes. That's it. There's one single foe that the Dark Eldar, fluff-wise, absolutely hates and fears, and that is Slaanesh. And they can ally with them. It makes more sense for Black Templars to be allowed to ally with Chaos Space Marines or Daemons.

Ok so then I didnt miss something huge. So if the DE are hugely afraid of Slaanesh. What do you think happens when Slaanesh visits them and says "Hey you, Dark Eldars, help me destroy this world full of human scum. Do it or I kill you all."

You think the DE grudgingly go along for the fight, or decide to stand up to and defy the one thing they fear above all others?

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:You think the DE grudgingly go along for the fight, or decide to stand up to and defy the one thing they fear above all others?

Option 3 - They run and hide in the webway

Also, keep in mind that in the Dark Eldar fluff in the codex, one rogue Archon had no qualms about using daemons to attempt to overthrow Vect. And Vect had no qualms about just locking that guy in with the same daemons. It's happened in the fluff.

I think you guys are overreacting a bit with the DE allying with demons thing.
It does not explicitly say that DE can ally with slaanesh, just that they can ally with demons in general.
Yes, that does have the consequence of them being able to ally with slaanesh (as there is nothing as of yet to stop them from doing so), but that can be remedied with a bit of self control in making one's army list.

Well there not battlebrothers I think it literally means if both turn up on the same field they will work aside each other, but im pretty positive the second that need is over the DE will be gone for sure.