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Too small is a matter of taste, I suppose. I guess it might not be too obvious that the scale is 28mm, so some might be smaller than your average figure.

However, the gynnade krigare stands 34mm, so they will line up just fine with most other similar miniatures.

It doesn't sound like Tre to tell you go to and F off. There must have been some miscommunication. Tre is, in my experience at least, one of the better persons to deal with. You must have caught him on an extremely rare and bad day. Also, it doesn't make any sense to tell a customer to F off, because even if one has to send another order it usually pays off in the long run to have someone happy that will come back to buy more.

Also, don't get me wrong. I am not a devoted fan-boi of any kind that throw hail and praises, so this isn't my intention to contradict you. Just giving my side of it, too.

New Update

"Hello all,

Well despite hours of preparation I apparently had very little grasp of how to run a kickstarter properly. This resulted in the delay of the first stretch goal and a botched realization of it. The intent was to fund the war staff high enough to add the figures into the unit pack without having to adjust the unit deal price. The intent coupled with a little bit of math error created a goal level that worked against it's original intent. Also the lack of forethought as to how the pledge editor works did not make it any easier.

I wanted to adjust the descriptions of the pledge levels to reflect the contents of the pledge reward as it developed but once a pledge is backed it apparently cannot be edited. The best way I can think of to work with this limitation is to make all future additions to the project work with the current contributory levels and be sure to make any new contributory levels work with all current and future project additions or to at the very least be sure that the both the description of the pledge reward and the corresponding project match.

To this end I am lowering the Stretch Goal for the Gynnade Krigare War Staff to $12,000 in the hope that by getting to it faster I can then further expand the contributory levels and move on to expand the scope of the Kickstarter in general.

Further I am adding the Belegast the Bloodthirsty to the current reward pool. I have already had this figure retooled as it was the test for the process and had the intention of using it somewhere as a reward, I just was not sure where. So, now this figure is available as a reward option for the Enda and Tva and Tre pledge levels. As new character figures are funded they too will become available as rewards for this option.

For now though behold Belegast the Bloodthirsty!!!"

This KS project has a lot of potential.

Someone help Tre out, the KS page is beating him to death!

I'm sure this could grow up at least to the Dwarven Adventurers size but the stuff looks too jumbled still.

Screw ups or not, Tre, you're actively managing your Kickstarter. That's half the battle, right there (Go, Joe!).

I look forward to seeing what your further stretch goals and offerings are.


Eric

I ordered from them, never got the product and was told pretty much to F off. I had to go to my credit card company to get my money back. I will never deal with or support them again.

Their miniatures are also too small.

No, I never did any such thing.

I have never ever reacted to any customer with vulgarity or anger or indifference.

I have replaced packages with no evidence of the first package actually going missing for the sake of serving my customers as best as possible.

I have in fact replaced 3 expensive packages to one customer in particular because they did in fact never receive the first one.

I have added to orders for no other reason than the fact that I shipped them a week late.

I go out of my way to keep in contact with any customers who experience any difficulties.

I have had one customer cuss me like a dog for miss-addressing his envelope which had 1 figure in it only to then turn around and send that same customer a few free figures to apologize for the mix-up and delay.

I have had one customer from a foreign country order from me only to then cancel payment after the package was proven to have shipped on time!

I go far above and beyond to serve my customers as best as my finances and personal ability allow. I am honoured to have the confidence and support of my customers and I hold that sacred.

You have dogged me and my business at several points over the past year or two and every single time I tell you that if there was some way in which I have wronged you I will do whatever I can to make it right. Not ONCE have you deigned to respond to me directly to tell me why it is that you so depise me and my line of figures which is, in your opinion, " too small. " My figures are EXACTLY what they are advertised to be. I build my armatures to these specifications:

Humans .................... 32 to 34mm

Elves ..................... 29 to 31mm

Dwarves ................... 22 to 25mm

Gnomes..................... 15 to 20mm

Goblins ................... 15 to 25mm

Trolls..................... 45 to 50mm

giants .................... 35 to 55mm

All measurements are based on full standing ( both feet together back straight ) armatures measured from the bottom of the feet to tthe top of the skull.


I am never really sure how to market the figures due to the overwhelming obfuscation of scale in general. the best way I can discribe the "scale" is to list the individual height standards used for each race. The scale of RBG figures is true 32 mm, which some people would consider to be 30mm and others would consider as 28mm. The figures are built to have the most realistic proportions I can manage to capture. The different races are built to different " sizes ".

If anyone asks me this is the exact response they will get.

I do not know what your bone to pick with me is and I do not know why you refuse to allow me to correct the greivance if indeed there is any truth to your claims at all.

I stand by my reputation and the interactions I have conducted with my customers.














now that that is out of the way... Thanks everybody for the support and confidence and patience. I am working this as best I can. Hopefully I have organized it well enough to run more smoothly on the next stretch goal. The new pledge levels are open ended with only the one specification that the figure be a " character " in other words not a " unit " figure like the Gynnade Krigare. The next Stretch Goal will introduce a new faction to the Kickstarter! Hopefully this new faction will have broader appeal and see to the further success of the kickstarter overall!

Cheers guys!

Tre'

tre manor wrote:
now that that is out of the way... Thanks everybody for the support and confidence and patience. I am working this as best I can. Hopefully I have organized it well enough to run more smoothly on the next stretch goal. The new pledge levels are open ended with only the one specification that the figure be a " character " in other words not a " unit " figure like the Gynnade Krigare. The next Stretch Goal will introduce a new faction to the Kickstarter! Hopefully this new faction will have broader appeal and see to the further success of the kickstarter overall!

Cheers guys!

Tre'

Yeah, even when you disagree with someone you seem to be unfailingly polite, so I can't imagine you ever telling anyone to F-off over an RBG order.

To address the above: Aenglish, Aenglish, Aenglish...

~Eric

Tre' - Belegast looks amazing, but you need to make these character models something that backers of other levels ($25/45/60) can also get hold of - ideally at slightly less than the base $8 level as these will be the people who will continue to contribute...

These figures look pretty neat.

I'm in for 45.


How long does it take to get some other guys from the red box site, to your door, after order? I'd like in on some of those guys foe some other things I got going on.

I'm impressed with the crispness of the sculpts... The paint jobs juts add to the character of the figures.

Amazing work there.

Thanks Guys!

Scipio.....I am workign on that man, I truly am. To be honest this entire process is anti-intuitive to me. I at first thought that you could select rewards like an item in a store and that those rewards coudl be edited in the system to reflect all of the new additions to each reward as they were made. So that was how I laid out my plans. Low and behold BOTH of those assumptions were false. Also I do not want to create a pledge reward for something that does not yet exist. This is why I used the Belegast figure as an individual reward to create a lower pledge level. People who only want one or two figures now have the ability to buy in to the kickstarter at that level and then if they decide to do so as the kickstarter develops they can up their pledge amount or change their reward or both. This helps me get to the next goal which then also helps me to add to the rewards already paid for.

When this first stretch goal succeeds then I will be adding the War staff in to the $60.00 pledge level and also adding them to the individual purchase level AND creating a hero pack level.

Further the second stretch goal is specifically intended to expand the lower tiers first, the third stretch goal is intended to expand the middle tiers and the fourth stretch is intended to work with all three. After that? We will wait and see. I do not want to get too far ahead of myself.

These will be coming up very soon I hope. When this latest goal succeeds I will post all three of these next all at once so that people can see where this is going.

Congrats

I ran into the same issue on my kickstarter, they don't let you edit the pledge text after the fact :( I ended up adding extra pledge levels and it all just ended up making things more confusing for me now.

My suggestion would be to define all of the pledge levels in the body of the main page, where you can easily edit them to include new stuff. And put a note at the very top of the page saying to read the new pledge level text below.

And come up with more stretch goals .. you're gonna need a bunch

@Tre
I think you've got your stretch goals reversed. You should be rewarding the higher backers FIRST, then the lower backers. The more you give those who are willing to invest the larger $ amounts, the more people you'll get who are willing to invest those amounts.
If you start giving everything to those who only pledge a few bucks, comparatively speaking (and, bless them for contributing anything!), then you're going to get more people wanting to get into THOSE levels.

The stretch goal rewards I've seen that seem to work best are the ones that say, "Everyone above XYZ level will receive...," where "XYZ level" is one of the middling tiers, but still a higher dollar amount, relatively speaking.

Eric

Thanks for the advice Necros. I think that is what I will do.

Eric, that was exactly what i thought when I posted up the first stretch goal. And it seems that it has worked against me. I read the most comments about adding more pledge levels at lower dollar amounts and adding to the lower dollar amounts. I cannot really afford to do so to the extent that people seem to want. Maybe it is more a problem of I chose the wrong subject for the 1st stretch goal. The idea was to round out the " unit " for the wargamers.

I am taking a bit of a different approach with the next stretch goal. Hopefully it will nto further stall the process.

Since you have over half your backers at the $25 level it makes sense to release some incrimental pledge levels that whould help push them towards higher pledges. Maybe if you had a $30 pledge and $50 pledge that included Belegast on top of what is included at the $25 and $45 levels that might help inch up the pledge total?

A great new update for the kickstarter

Update # 3 Stretch Goal #2 succeeded New Stretch goal posted


Update #4 · Jul. 21, 2012 · 3 comments



Hey Guys,

Well apparently the second stretch goal was not such a hot ticket. Rather than let it be a stone to drag down the rest of the project I am calling it successful at $10,000 so I can get started sculpting the figures and get the project moved on to the next stretch goal.

What the success of the first stretch goal means is that now the options of Enda allow the pledge of $8 to reward any one successfully funded character including any one of the 3 Gynnade Krigare War Staff.

At the Framst ( $25.00 ) level you get Belegast the Bloodthirsty or Blutulf the Brutal or Ulbrecht the Soulless or or Merciless Guarthagust and 1 rank of Gynnade Krigare. OR any 1 successfully funded hero and 1 rank of any successfully funded footmen. Or any combination of 4 successfully funded Character / Hero figures( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level. )

At the Andra Level you get Belegast the Bloodthirsty and/ or Blutulf the Brutal, and/ or Ulbrecht the Soulless, and/ or Merciless Guarthagust and 2 ranks of the Gynnade Krigare footmen. OR any combination of two successfully funded heroes and 2 ranks of any successfully funded footmen ( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level )

At the Tredje level ( $60 ) you get Framfor Allt Gynnade Krigare ( war staff, Blutulf, Guarthagust, and Ulbrecht ) and 3 ranks of Gynnade Krigare footmen. OR any combination of any 3 successfully funded heroes and 3 ranks of any combination of any successfully funded footmen.( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level.)

At the Fjarde level ( $110 ) you get Belegast the Bloodthirsty and Framfor Allt Gynnade Krigare ( war staff Blutulf, Guarthagust, and Ulbrecht ) x 2 and 6 Unit Kits. OR any combination of any 8 successfully funded heroes and 6 ranks of any combination of any successfully funded footmen. ( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level.)

I am working on a few new contributory levels and hope to have some confirmation on them tomorrow. Please bear with me as I am still learning this process and doing my best to keep up with the pace.



-Stretch Goal #2- $15,000

Aenglish Watchmen, Captian and Sergeant.


In the treacherous shadows of the darkest alleys of ShieldsPort there is one name that carries as much weight as all the gold in the coffers of the Dandy Prince. A name that bears a malice and foreboding all it's own.... the name of Whistelock. Watch Captain or Brigand Lord as the whim strikes him, Whistelock treads without fear down any alley or into any den of thieves and cutthroats. Nay, even the Nobles fear his ire. Never once has he failed in any venture to claim a prize upon which his eyes have set. Be it bounty or booty the matter is but a whim of his own decision. At his heels tread his watchmen. Mad dogs and Aenglishmen so they are known or are undecided, the men of Whistelock's Watch are the most formidable and ferocious fighters Old Red Whiskers can muster. Beware the whistle for the law is his and his alone.




Whistelock's Watchmen. These lightly armoured well armed men at arms are a great set of early level Fighters, or Keep garrisson or Fighter Hirelings, or Road Brigands. Included in the base rank pack are 4 bodies fitted for universally interchangeable heads, right hands and sheilds, a sprue of four head options, a sprue of four right hands with weapons, and a sprue of four shields.

This new stuff should definately suite more people for sure!

Plus a selection of 'heroes' for the stretch, which I think will unlock as 'purchaceable' when Tre hits $15,000

"

Whistelock himself! Tough, experienced and fitted for dangerous adventure Whistelock or "Old Red Whiskers " as he might be called makes the perfect higher level fighter character, or Keep Guard Captain, or perhaps low level Paladin character.



Once the heir to the holdings of a Hillander Noble family Robert fell from favour at the red point of a sword. Having slain a rival in a duel Robert lives an exile in the service of Whistelock, busting up Alley Gangs and delving into the ancient secrets tunneled deep beneath the sprawl of ShieldsPort. Robert is a particular favourite of my own and fans a like. Fitted for war or adventure Robert makes a great Fighter, or Brigand, or Mercenary.

once funded these items will be eligible as options for any of the listed pledge levels.

I hope that you guys will find something here to like. It seemed that there were a lot of people asking for something other than the Helsvakt so i hope this will do the trick! I had intended to bring other lines into the retool but not quite so soon. I guess it does not do any harm as long as it does not drag down the entire process. Anyway as always thank you very very much for the continued support!

Cheers,

Tre' "

Tre sounds like a stand up guy, that bloke complaining just seems to be trolling him.

He also has an awesome beard like Santa Claus, so I trust him implicitly and would let him babysit at my house.

hahhahahahaha! Thanks mattyrm!

Thanks also Orlando and Grefven!

You should add some more pledge levels too.

You'd be surprised how some people/of us are willing to go in for $200-$250 and up.

Bigger better deals, it's a way of life!

MagickalMemories wrote:@Tre
I think you've got your stretch goals reversed. You should be rewarding the higher backers FIRST, then the lower backers. The more you give those who are willing to invest the larger $ amounts, the more people you'll get who are willing to invest those amounts.
If you start giving everything to those who only pledge a few bucks, comparatively speaking (and, bless them for contributing anything!), then you're going to get more people wanting to get into THOSE levels.

The stretch goal rewards I've seen that seem to work best are the ones that say, "Everyone above XYZ level will receive...," where "XYZ level" is one of the middling tiers, but still a higher dollar amount, relatively speaking.

Eric

Eric - I wouldn't get too concerned about the lower-end backers being rewarded too much since the lower-end goals aren't that much of a "reward" at this stage. $8 per resin plastic character isn't a lot different from the $9 per metal character on the RBG site. It's something to get people in and in return they get a nice figure, but it's not exactly an amazing deal that screws over the higher-level pledges. I have some concerns, but I'll email Tre directly.

TalonZahn is right though - some huge pledge levels need to be added. They also need to be much "better value".

Those figures are amazing.

Are we going to be getting 1 hero per 5 guys? or are those hero types seperate to the project?

Is there any way to have a graph for what comes with the pledges? I'm in for 45, so does that mean a couple of heros with the sets?

A quick, basic run-down of the different pledge-levels, that is possible to mix between.

1) $8 - One individual Hero figure
2) $25 - One Hero + 1 Rank
3) $25 - 4 Heroes
4) $45 - 2 Heroes + 2 Ranks
5) $45 - 8 Heroes
6) $60 - 3 Heroes + 3 Ranks
7) $110 - 7 Heroes + 6 Ranks

Also important to note the number of models in the 'rank & file' sets differ

1. Gynadde Kirgare: 5 model rank and file
Currently available

2. Aenglish : 4 model rank and file
Stretch Goal, available at $15K

Tre I love all of your sculpts, but they are very, very small from what I've seen in person they may be the same height as 28mm but because your proportions are relatively fine they look anemic next to your Reaper work. For example, Bolverk the Bold just looks dinky sitting next to Marek Manslayer or Ulrich the adventurer. Why not start from a larger armature if you are going to sculpt more realistic proportions?

Or perhaps the models that I've seen are the exception rather than the rule?

Again, I am a huge fan of your work. Please don't take this as an attack.

Really ends up being a matter of preference.

For me, personally I like them as they are...though I have been moving away from the Chibi 28's for a few years now as companies like his, Heresy, Hasslefree, Infinity, Dark Sword and others have started making more realistically proportioned figures.

They are slimmer compared to some - but not really smaller. Just as opposed to having beach ball heads and catchers mitt hands...they are more human.

I think going to a larger scale would hurt the appeal just as much as going back towards the chibi proportions would. There are a lot of companies in that niche already - these are for gamers who want something different (granted I would love to see them as real scaled figures as opposed to the silly sizing...but that will probably come eventually as well).

Regarding the size, as mentioned above, they aren't smaller, but "slimmer". They size up very well with other ranges.

Check these comparisons out:
http://azazelx.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/red-box-games-size-comparisons-with-gw-lord-of-the-rings-figures/

http://badbrush.blogspot.se/2011/09/red-box-games-review.html

Tre, those latest adds look straight out of Cadwallon! I'm in for sure.

Thanks for those links Grefven! I had no idea they fit so closely with LOTR!

I think this campaign, if managed well will easily hit $50k, based on performance so far, Tre's rep and other campaigns such as the Stonehaven Dwarfs.

Honestly, if the value is there for pledgers, it could hit $100k or close to it. I'd get someone on board - preferably with Kickstarter experience or a solid understanding of how it works to work closely with Tre' on managing the campaign for the next few weeks.

The important thing to remember if the desire is to raise a hunge amount ($50k+) is that pledges need to be viewed as an investment in RBG, and not as retail sales - with "profits" planned accordingly. (With better interest rates than a bank will ever give!) That was a big difficulty with the Avatars of War campaign, and RBG has just as much as potential as AoW did.

Right now - I think the biggest thing slowing it down is...it is a bit confusing. Sort of a combination of the naming scheme and the overlaps at dollar amounts (one $25 is sold out...another isn't...so on and so forth).

For my own personal interests - it would be nice to see your elves, dwarves, and halflings added to the mix. Probably be beneficial in general. There are several choices for these proportions in somewhat historical human dress - but things get more limited for the various demihuman types.

Also, as gratuitous as it might be - don't forget the chicks. They are always good for getting attention and liberating money from those who would otherwise hold back.