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 Void__Dragon wrote:
Look at these people who disregard the OP.

Dante is the most concrete answer we can have.

Maybe Luther, if you for some reason count him.

Certainly Luther wouldn't apply as he was touched by Chaos, which although he couldn't strike his Primarch down due to guilt...I can't consider him Loyalist. So it is Dante for those that don't believe Cypher is Loyal.

I do believe Cypher is loyal, so my answer is Cypher.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Look at these people who disregard the OP.

Dante is the most concrete answer we can have.

Maybe Luther, if you for some reason count him.

Certainly Luther wouldn't apply as he was touched by Chaos, which although he couldn't strike his Primarch down due to guilt...I can't consider him Loyalist. So it is Dante for those that don't believe Cypher is Loyal.

I do believe Cypher is loyal, so my answer is Cypher.

if Dante's 1100 years old, and we are counting beings in the warp, my vote (cypher aside) is Lysander. Warp time 1k years, plus the time before his capture (he was a battle-hardened captain) he has to be older. Lexicanum puts his first notable action as a sgt of the 3rd stardate 567 M40, so factoring in scout training, his (at least) 13 year pilgrimage and the time to advance, i'd say he is prob close to 1500 years old.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Certainly Luther wouldn't apply as he was touched by Chaos, which although he couldn't strike his Primarch down due to guilt...I can't consider him Loyalist. So it is Dante for those that don't believe Cypher is Loyal.

I do believe Cypher is loyal, so my answer is Cypher.

Slight correction - it was LUTHER who couldn't strike the Primarch down. Luther is, of course, still kicking but sitting in near-stasis so I doubt he counts here.
Cypher may not have been in the Warp, he may have, we can't say for sure - but he is DEFINITELY under the watchful eye of the Chaos Gods. So you can't really claim his age is purely down to him being a Marine.

I seem to recall there being something in a Codex about Marines getting too old for active duty after so many hundred years of service, and so it stands to reason that Marines can die of old age as well. This being the case, you're not going to find anyone alive from the Heresy without there being SOME kind of extenuating circumstances.

The Sanguinor may be a good call - his longevity is probably supernatural, but it just might not be, and he's been around longer than Dante. Also it's worth bearing in mind that Dante's 1100 years has bounced more than once between it being his time as a Marine total, or just his time as Chapter Master.

 Super Ready wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Certainly Luther wouldn't apply as he was touched by Chaos, which although he couldn't strike his Primarch down due to guilt...I can't consider him Loyalist. So it is Dante for those that don't believe Cypher is Loyal.

I do believe Cypher is loyal, so my answer is Cypher.

Slight correction - it was LUTHER who couldn't strike the Primarch down. Luther is, of course, still kicking but sitting in near-stasis so I doubt he counts here.
Cypher may not have been in the Warp, he may have, we can't say for sure - but he is DEFINITELY under the watchful eye of the Chaos Gods. So you can't really claim his age is purely down to him being a Marine.

I seem to recall there being something in a Codex about Marines getting too old for active duty after so many hundred years of service, and so it stands to reason that Marines can die of old age as well. This being the case, you're not going to find anyone alive from the Heresy without there being SOME kind of extenuating circumstances.

The Sanguinor may be a good call - his longevity is probably supernatural, but it just might not be, and he's been around longer than Dante. Also it's worth bearing in mind that Dante's 1100 years has bounced more than once between it being his time as a Marine total, or just his time as Chapter Master.

Not sure on this so leaving my nose out

Theres conflicting sources. Some places we have 600+ year old marines "retiring" others we have them balls-deep in a horde of ork cracking heads, claiming they cant die of old age. I haven't seen many of the former, but plenty of the latter, so who knows.

Do any sources list the sanguinators age? he's like a living saint so who knows how long he's been kickin. As for Dante Lexicanum claims he's RULED for 1100 years, meaning he could be one old bastard. no record of first action though

Some marines are too valuable )Due tot heir experience) to waste on just fighting. They retire from active duty to train the new recruits of the chapter.

Whole freaking 13 Co of SW + Lysander....

If you want to take Black Library into consideration with whatever conflicts may come with it, here was the story I mentioned earlier:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Merir_Astelan

It's hard for me to pin him as anything other than a loyalist, though. The guy was all about the Emprah and extremely skeptical of Lion. Then again, Lion El'Jerkson can go eat it. Anyway, pretty good story, in my opinion. Poor Chaplain Boreas though.

zatazuken wrote:
If you want to take Black Library into consideration with whatever conflicts may come with it, here was the story I mentioned earlier:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Merir_Astelan

It's hard for me to pin him as anything other than a loyalist, though. The guy was all about the Emprah and extremely skeptical of Lion. Then again, Lion El'Jerkson can go eat it. Anyway, pretty good story, in my opinion. Poor Chaplain Boreas though.

o and this too....

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Look at these people who disregard the OP.

Dante is the most concrete answer we can have.

Maybe Luther, if you for some reason count him.

Certainly Luther wouldn't apply as he was touched by Chaos, which although he couldn't strike his Primarch down due to guilt...I can't consider him Loyalist. So it is Dante for those that don't believe Cypher is Loyal.

I do believe Cypher is loyal, so my answer is Cypher.

if Dante's 1100 years old, and we are counting beings in the warp, my vote (cypher aside) is Lysander. Warp time 1k years, plus the time before his capture (he was a battle-hardened captain) he has to be older. Lexicanum puts his first notable action as a sgt of the 3rd stardate 567 M40, so factoring in scout training, his (at least) 13 year pilgrimage and the time to advance, i'd say he is prob close to 1500 years old.

Dante is older than Lysander. He isn't 1100 years old, he's been chapter master for over 1100 years, and his codex entry specifically mentions that even Lysander does not remember a time that Dante was not chapter master of the Blood Angels.

 Orblivion wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Look at these people who disregard the OP.

Dante is the most concrete answer we can have.

Maybe Luther, if you for some reason count him.

Certainly Luther wouldn't apply as he was touched by Chaos, which although he couldn't strike his Primarch down due to guilt...I can't consider him Loyalist. So it is Dante for those that don't believe Cypher is Loyal.

I do believe Cypher is loyal, so my answer is Cypher.

if Dante's 1100 years old, and we are counting beings in the warp, my vote (cypher aside) is Lysander. Warp time 1k years, plus the time before his capture (he was a battle-hardened captain) he has to be older. Lexicanum puts his first notable action as a sgt of the 3rd stardate 567 M40, so factoring in scout training, his (at least) 13 year pilgrimage and the time to advance, i'd say he is prob close to 1500 years old.

Dante is older than Lysander. He isn't 1100 years old, he's been chapter master for over 1100 years, and his codex entry specifically mentions that even Lysander does not remember a time that Dante was not chapter master of the Blood Angels.

Lysanders first action of note was as a sergeant in 567 M40, and prior to that he had to be trained as a scout, do a 13-year pilgrimage that saw his parents lives end, and do time in the assault and devastator squads, then rise through the ranks to a Sgt of the 3rd. So if he's not as old hes pretty darn close. and he most assuredly would have been around before dante was CM

tommse wrote:
I was wondering f there are any loyal SM left who lived through the Horus Heresy without hiding in the warp or being put into a dreadnaught coffin.

LOL at people ignoring the OP, par for the course.

Luther was not a SM, he was too old to get the full treatment.

I believe it is Bjorn the Fell-Handed. If you consider him to still be a Space Marine as he is of course in Dreadnought armour. However a Space Marine none the less. I am pretty sure it states that he is the oldest serving, surviving member of the Imperium currently, in the Codex: Space Wolves.

JWhex wrote:

tommse wrote:
I was wondering f there are any loyal SM left who lived through the Horus Heresy without hiding in the warp or being put into a dreadnaught coffin.

LOL at people ignoring the OP, par for the course.

Luther was not a SM, he was too old to get the full treatment.

Mountain-Breaker wrote:I believe it is Bjorn the Fell-Handed. If you consider him to still be a Space Marine as he is of course in Dreadnought armour. However a Space Marine none the less. I am pretty sure it states that he is the oldest serving, surviving member of the Imperium currently, in the Codex: Space Wolves.

Lol right underneath!

People are also ignoring the fact the OP Mentioning that it excludes anyone hiding out in the warp - that excludes Lysander & Cypher due to spending extended time in the warp (where time is irrelevant and 1,000 years can be a year realtime) doesn't it?

Dante seems like a safe choice.

I must say that while you're commenting on how other people are ignoring the OP, you aren't really doing much to help either. OP was asking for loyal SMs that have lived through the Heresy and aren't interred into a Dreadnought.

Dante certainly didn't live through the heresy.
What he is is one of, if not the longest-lived loyalist SM currently.

Gravius of the salamanders was sustained by his Sus-An membrane, he was basically dead, and it was a BL novel so it's not official fluff.

amudkipz wrote:
Gravius of the salamanders was sustained by his Sus-An membrane, he was basically dead, and it was a BL novel so it's not official fluff.

Well there is no "official" fluff. There is background published by GW et al and there is fan fiction. GW has never come out and clarified what is canonical or "official" and probably never will. Because there are so many inconsistencies, errors, retcons, Matt Ward BS, C.S. Goto etc, everyone pretty much has to decide what they view is reasonable.

Some people take a codex only approach some people include BL books.

If i remember correctly wasn't there a group of space wolves found by Ragnar Blackmane that had been hunting for Magnus The Red or some other chaos lord since just after the heresy occurred ? Also they took their orders directly from Russ. Although for them it had "only" been several thousand years due to warp distortion , in real space it had been 10,000 years at least since their departure.

Yeah, I forgot about the 13th Great Company.

They'd be the winners.

How are people so confused by 'loyal' and 'not dreadnaught'

the amount of people suggesting Bjorn and Abaddon makes me question the education systems in the Western World.

It's probably Dante, he's been Chapter Master for 1100 years, so he'd be at least 1200.

To answer the OP totally since a lot of people seem to be getting all in a twist about it.
No. There was a Salamanders guy in a BL book but he died.
The oldest SM outside of a dreadnought, that is loyal, and hasn't had any warpmuckiytimeabout stuff is Dante and he is probably around 1,500 considering (Total guess) very few SM are chapter masters under the age of 300 or so...

Would members of the thirteenth SW count as they are still loyal?

stichfitz wrote:
Would members of the thirteenth SW count as they are still loyal?

They're certainly the oldest loyalists yes, but the OP specified no warp shenanigans.

But Matthew Ward says that the Ultramarines are the best so you should all obviously realise that Marneus Calgar is the oldest...

CloudRider wrote:
But Matthew Ward says that the Ultramarines are the best so you should all obviously realise that Marneus Calgar is the oldest...

He also wrote Dante being the oldest

stichfitz wrote:
Would members of the thirteenth SW count as they are still loyal?


They're certainly the oldest loyalists yes, but the OP specified no warp shenanigans.

Opps, sorry missed that one.

CloudRider wrote:
But Matthew Ward says that the Ultramarines are the best so you should all obviously realise that Marneus Calgar is the oldest...

From the Ultramarines, Chaplain Cassius is listed as being the oldest active member of the the chapter, and he's approaching four centuries of age. Sgt. Talion is noted as serving under three different chapter masters.

In the 3rd ed C:SM there is a brief timeline with some of Calgar's deeds, the first entry is 698.M41

Looking in my 2nd ed "Angels of Death" codex, we have a contender.

Veteran sergeant Cleutin, Guardian of the shroud of Sanguinius.

He is the most senior of the BA sergeants, and is rumored to be the sarge in charge is Dante's squad when he joined the chapter as a scout.

Dante is listed in two different places as either being nearly 1,100 years old, or having ruled the chapter for the same. No idea if the modern codex clarifies this

 thenoobbomb wrote:

CloudRider wrote:
But Matthew Ward says that the Ultramarines are the best so you should all obviously realise that Marneus Calgar is the oldest...

He also wrote Dante being the oldest

Nope... that particular bit of writing dates aaaaaaaall the way back to 2nd ed. A lot of the fluff in the current BA Codex is a direct copy/paste.

Dante is the oldest because he and his dark chicken boys keep ducking the big fights so ofcourse he lives longer.

Just kidding....................no, not really.

Prophet of Khaine wrote:
Dante is the oldest because he and his dark chicken boys keep ducking the big fights so ofcourse he lives longer.

Just kidding....................no, not really.

He's about to lead the defense of Baal with all BA successors against a tyranid hive fleet. Yeah, they're shying away from heavy fighting (and casualties) at the moment because its that or Sanguinus gets nom'd by a ripper and who knows what the feth the 'nids could mutate from Primarch DNA. I for one do not want to see that.

I'm going to echo the Dante call as unless the Azkellion is Sanguinor theory is ever confirmed in future HHS/scouring era fluff, then all the HH era loyalists have perished between then and the 40k now!

When I read the Sanguinor theory I thought it was cool bit of fluff anyway