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Okay, so it's Dante, but what about Custodes? Do they do anything other than guard the palace. If not then some of them could date to the time of the heresy.

Oldest Space Marine is Arik Taranus/Babu Dhakal and his 2nd in command. Both are original Thunder Warriors. Now whether you want to count him as loyal that is a another question. The only reason he isn't loyal is the Emporer betrayed him.

cadbren wrote:
Okay, so it's Dante, but what about Custodes? Do they do anything other than guard the palace. If not then some of them could date to the time of the heresy.

Not really. Every once in awhile, one of them leaves Terra on a super-secret mission to wreck someone's face (always another human, I believe) for messing up too badly in some manner that does not draw the attention of other Imperial organizations.... but mostly they just guard the Emperor and the Golden Throne.

I suspect Grimnar comes close to Dante, but doesn't quite take the cake.

Abdaziel Magron was the DA marine mentioned in the first reply. He was a sgt in the 31st and was found and killed in the 41st. He was "sleep" through that time but I think it counts.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Bjorn the Fell-handed is a dreadnought over 10,000 years old. He brofisted Russ for petes sake.
If dreadnoughts aren't considered "living" to you (like many others) than Commander Dante. 1100 years and counting.

The Dark Angels Primarch is still alive and is been guarded by the watchers as it states in the DA codex, he's in cryosleep or something

"The final secret known only to a very select few is that, buried even deeper within the Rock than Luther, Jonson lies sleeping, waiting with the Watchers in the Dark for the time when he will be needed again, to lead the Dark Angels in a new and greater crusade. Save the Watchers in the Dark, only the Emperor knows of this secret"

 pities2004 wrote:

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Bjorn the Fell-handed is a dreadnought over 10,000 years old. He brofisted Russ for petes sake.
If dreadnoughts aren't considered "living" to you (like many others) than Commander Dante. 1100 years and counting.

The Dark Angels Primarch is still alive and is been guarded by the watchers as it states in the DA codex, he's in cryosleep or something

"The final secret known only to a very select few is that, buried even deeper within the Rock than Luther, Jonson lies sleeping, waiting with the Watchers in the Dark for the time when he will be needed again, to lead the Dark Angels in a new and greater crusade. Save the Watchers in the Dark, only the Emperor knows of this secret"

If the Primarchs count, then we DA have the record.

I stil say Babu Dhakal wins it as he was a Thunder Marine before any of those others even existed and he is still alive. Only the Emporer pre-dates him.

He is also not tainted by Chaos.

Is he still alive in M41?

Depends where you want to go with this one.

Gulliman was mortally wounded and is in a stasis field so I guess he should win, but he's not going anywhere so he's pretty useless.

All of the missing primarch's shouldn't count because they're still 'Missing'

Bjorn is oldest recorded still serving spacemarine in the imperium however he's been interred into a dreadnought.

Dante is the oldest recorded space marine whom is not interred in a dreadnought chassis.

Anyone else agree?

Thunder Warriors were designed to die after a period of time in which their metabolism would go into a 'self destruct'. The way I remember it from 'The Outcast Dead' is that they were always meant to be disposable and for the Terran Wars only, with the Space Marine replacing them ultimately. Though not as powerful in a one to one comparison the Marines were longer lived to the point where only the most grevious wounds wound cause fatalities, hence this discussion on who's the oldest I guess.

My point begin that I thought Thunder Warriors burned out and died...

At the end of The Outcast Dead it was hinted that Babu was in the process of genetic work to increase his lifespan. Although he appeared to succeed at the end of the book it would be anyone's guess that he could then survive on Terra hiding for another 10k years!

Yeah at the end he got the gland so it was hinted he could solve the cancer problem and extend his life span. He disappeared. I'll bet he'll be back. Yes he was still alive in M41.

How old would he be if he was a Thunder Warrior? Three to four thousand years old?

Isn't Garro supposed to still be alive? And he's technically still loyal to the emperor.

It's a pity we don't have ages for some of the other characters in Codex: Marines. I mean, Cassius is so old that he calls Marneus Calgar 'Young Calgar'.

I mean, when you are so old you don't even have to call the Chapter Master by his official title, even if you are the Master of Sanctity...

However, I'm pretty sure the oldest pair with actual dates in their fluff blurb (that aren't Dreads) are Dante and Logan Grimnar.

tommse wrote:
I was wondering f there are any loyal SM left who lived through the Horus Heresy without hiding in the warp or being put into a dreadnaught coffin.

There are no loyalist space marines that fit these parameters.

The oldest is Dante at around 1100 years.

 Mythra wrote:
Yes he was still alive in M41.

There is no reason to expect him to be alive and certainly nothing published by GW that supports your statement that he is definitively alive in M41.

Crazyterran wrote:
It's a pity we don't have ages for some of the other characters in Codex: Marines. I mean, Cassius is so old that he calls Marneus Calgar 'Young Calgar'.

Cassius is the oldest non-dreadnought UM at barely 400 and looks like a grumpy old man. Ultramarines just don't live as long as the Blood Angels or Space Wolves. One might even think the UM, being the measuring stick and all, represent what ages your average marine can expect to reach.

Spetulhu wrote:


Cassius is the oldest non-dreadnought UM at barely 400 and looks like a grumpy old man. Ultramarines just don't live as long as the Blood Angels or Space Wolves. One might even think the UM, being the measuring stick and all, represent what ages your average marine can expect to reach.

Oh definitely. I'd expect standard Space Marines having maximum lifespan of about 500 years.

I'm bringing this thread back up because I just remembered the SW 13th Company that disappeared during the HH and re-emerged during the EoT campaign a few years back....all of these guys are technically 10,000 years old, right? And Wolf Lord Bulveye and his priests probably (I'm guessing) have been fighting since the founding of the SW? Or are they not considered normal marines because so many of them are Wulfen?

They have been in the warp so they don't count.

I've read through all the posts, and I have to say it amuses me that whilst everyone is raging about others suggesting characters that have warp travelled, they don't seem to realise that no marine fits all the criteria as stated by the OP, for the simple reason that ALL Space Marines have been in the warp. The warp is traveled in when Space Marines are re-deploying to warzones, ergo, none fit the bill.

However, pedantic point aside, Dante has got to be the closest to fitting all criteria aside from the HH point.

Cleutin was never listed as killed or dead anywhere. And he was alive just a short time ago, so he probably still is.

Cleutin was the veteran Sergeant in charge of the Scout squad Dante was in.

 81Northman wrote:
Depends where you want to go with this one.

Gulliman was mortally wounded and is in a stasis field so I guess he should win, but he's not going anywhere so he's pretty useless.

All of the missing primarch's shouldn't count because they're still 'Missing'

Bjorn is oldest recorded still serving spacemarine in the imperium however he's been interred into a dreadnought.

Dante is the oldest recorded space marine whom is not interred in a dreadnought chassis.

Anyone else agree?

Do Thousand Sons count as 'still living'? Because they spend loooooads of time in realspace, and yeah, they kinda come back after a while.. Even some of the sorcerers are still alive from the pre-heresy ;D

The Sanguinor has been hinted at maybe being Azkellon which wold make him older even than Bjorn

The Sanguinor is also "hinted" to be a psychic manifestation... The only way the Sanguinor could be Azkellon is if he is effectively pulling a Draigo and chilling in the warp. In short, no one knows what the Sanguinor is, the whole Azkellon thing is just the Sanguinary Guard's wishful, or even cult, thinking.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I've read through all the posts, and I have to say it amuses me that whilst everyone is raging about others suggesting characters that have warp travelled, they don't seem to realise that no marine fits all the criteria as stated by the OP, for the simple reason that ALL Space Marines have been in the warp. The warp is traveled in when Space Marines are re-deploying to warzones, ergo, none fit the bill.

However, pedantic point aside, Dante has got to be the closest to fitting all criteria aside from the HH point.

Yes but dipping in and out is vastly different from staying there for an extended period...

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Cleutin was never listed as killed or dead anywhere. And he was alive just a short time ago, so he probably still is.

Cleutin was the veteran Sergeant in charge of the Scout squad Dante was in.

While Cleutin isn't specifically mentioned as now dead, it can be deduced from the fluff quotes that mark Dante as the oldest living Space Marine that we've seen since. If I recall correctly, the 2nd ed Codex that had Cleutin referred to Dante specifically as the oldest *Chapter Master* instead.

Tankred ENDURES.

tommse wrote:
I was wondering f there are any loyal SM left who lived through the Horus Heresy without hiding in the warp or being put into a dreadnaught coffin.

Maybe, but doubtful. Dante is currently the oldest known living Space Marine. He's been the Chapter Master of the Blood Angels for over 1100 years. Lysander was lost in the warp for 1000+ years and it is specifically stated that he does not remember a time where Dante was not the Blood Angels' Chapter Master. Lysander himself was a Sergeant in the 3rd Company of the Imperial Fists during 567.M40 and made Captain of the 2nd Company during 585.M40. Sometime after that he becomes Captain of the 1st Company and some time after that is lost in the warp. No dates are given for either event.

Given the Horus Heresy happened in M31, even Dante likely wasn't born when it happened. Dante has been a Chapter Master since M40, the tail end of M39 if you want to be optimistic and push things to the limit. That's still over 7000 years after the Horus Heresy.

So I seriously doubt that any individual has existed for that long unless they were A) lost in the warp so time did not affect them (in which case, 13th Company of the Space Wolves would qualify to the man) or B) interred in a Dreadnought or other form of stasis (and again Space Wolves win, with Bjorn the Fell-Hand being a member of the Wolf Guard of Leman Russ and handed the title of Chapter Master by Russ himself).