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 Deadshot wrote:
Old loyalist is Bjorn the Fell Handed at 10, 000+. But if you're obstinate that he is not counted, then Dante at1100+ .

Well, those are the two most famous examples. The reason Dreadnoughts aren't counted is they're kept in stasis between battles. Bjorn is ancient but the Space Wolves usually only wake him up if there's a major battle coming, or once every century or so in order to tell the new pups about the Chapter history.

I particularly liked what Bjorn said to some Inquisitor who tried to talk sense into the SW after that Armageddon debacle... Inquisitor cools down the debate and introduces himself, asking for the name of the Dreadnought who seems to be the most senior there. Bjorn says "My name is engraved on my sarcofagus, little man".

Spetulhu wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Old loyalist is Bjorn the Fell Handed at 10, 000+. But if you're obstinate that he is not counted, then Dante at1100+ .

Well, those are the two most famous examples. The reason Dreadnoughts aren't counted is they're kept in stasis between battles. Bjorn is ancient but the Space Wolves usually only wake him up if there's a major battle coming, or once every century or so in order to tell the new pups about the Chapter history.

I particularly liked what Bjorn said to some Inquisitor who tried to talk sense into the SW after that Armageddon debacle... Inquisitor cools down the debate and introduces himself, asking for the name of the Dreadnought who seems to be the most senior there. Bjorn says "My name is engraved on my sarcofagus, little man".

At which point the Inquisitor replied with "TL;DR"?

Whether they are in stasis or not doesn't matter. They have still existed for X years. Stasis just stops their metabolism and degeneration of cells. So if ypu were to do carbon datingor something on Bjorn you may only get a result of 2000 years but he has still existed between 31, 000 AD or so to roughly 42, 000 AD and thus is to me 10k+

I'd say dread's don't count since (because they're in stasis), they exsist outside of time. The longest serving loyalist Space Marine is Dante, by a long shot, since dreads and spending time in the Wardiverse the Warp aren't allowed.

Look up the 13th company of space wolves. They chased after the thousand sons when they first fled prospero and have been fighting chaos in the time since.

Thunderwolf39 wrote:
Look up the 13th company of space wolves. They chased after the thousand sons when they first fled prospero and have been fighting chaos in the time since.

But they have been the in Warp for nearly the whole time, iirc, which means they don't count.

Tycho wrote:

Bjorne The Fell Handed was mates with Russ so he wins

Interesting. I did not know that. I suppose that would make him the oldest (depending on what your definition of "living" is lol).

He was the only one of Russ' wolf guard that didn't leave with him into the Eye of Terror. As has been said, if dreads count as living, than Bjorn wins by a landslide.

Basically, if Dreads count, then Bjorn wins.

If Dreads don't count, then Dante does.

There's a difference between "being around at the time of the Heresy" and experiencing the passage of 10,000 years.

The oldest loyalist is Dante. By "oldest" I mean the loyalist who has experienced the greatest passage of time (over 1,000 years)

It's funny how Dante is old but isn't an 'Eternal Warrior'.

That is precisely why he doesn't have it.

He's actually old to the point where he's becoming frail, for a space marine anyway.


A character with EW represents a marine in his absolute prime. He's been there and back again and been all toughened up by his experiences. Dante's done that too, but he's also freakin old and beginning to fade.

Actually the thought occurred to me that he probably doesn't have it for balance reasons. Consider that he already has a 2+ and 4++...giving him Eternal Warrior would put only Abaddon, Draigo and Lysander above him on the scale of Marine survivability. You'll notice that those three are in Termie armour so as well as not having a jump pack, they can't perform sweeping advances.

Dante is expensive enough as it is...

Lion El Johnson could technically be classed as "still living" given that he's asleep in the centre of The Rock, his wounds fully healed from his battle with Luther.

edit: disregard. I dun goofed

Dunno.

I'd still go with Cassius.

Technically, he's only a sprightly 400 years or so old, but he's the walking, living, breathing cliché of "I've been doing this since before your grandfather was born".

More bionics than flesh? Check.
Calling the Chapter Master things like "pub" or "young Calgar"? Check
Carries an old grudge most people only remember from the history books? Check
Weathered skin and white hear? Check


So yeah, if you'd make a 40K movie and want to include "the oldest guy", it'd be Cassius.

Guys like Dante have a lot more years, but I wouldn't envision them as "old". They'd be more "ageless" in some strange, unsettling way. But, to keep with the movie-analogy, you'd probably cast a younger guy for Dante than you would for Cassius.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Dunno.

I'd still go with Cassius.

Technically, he's only a sprightly 400 years or so old, but he's the walking, living, breathing cliché of "I've been doing this since before your grandfather was born".

More bionics than flesh? Check.
Calling the Chapter Master things like "pub" or "young Calgar"? Check
Carries an old grudge most people only remember from the history books? Check
Weathered skin and white hear? Check


So yeah, if you'd make a 40K movie and want to include "the oldest guy", it'd be Cassius.

Guys like Dante have a lot more years, but I wouldn't envision them as "old". They'd be more "ageless" in some strange, unsettling way. But, to keep with the movie-analogy, you'd probably cast a younger guy for Dante than you would for Cassius.

Interesting perspective. If you go with the "You are only as old as you feel" or "Age is a state of mind" you are correct. Dante aged enough to smite foes for the Emperor, then stopped. Cassius went right past "Get off my lawn, you young whippersnappers!" For casting decisions, or filling tropes, Cassius does take the cake.

 SabrX wrote:
It's funny how Dante is old but isn't an 'Eternal Warrior'.

because being old and being able to shrug off the pain that would otherwise incapacitate even the strongest of warriors are completely different things.

Dante is old, he has survived being wounded in battle, taken out of the fight, only to heal up later and come back.
Dante has no fluff about having his arm sliced off, and though gushing blood and in blinding pain able to will himself to fight for another 10 minutes of intense battle.

ID represents an attack being so grievous, so strong, that while it might not kill the target, it makes it impossible for them to continue to fight.

Dante is the oldest marine recognised properly who is not in a dreadnought suit, however sanguinor is probably older, if he is really human and not some other weird stuff.

Bjorn the fellhanded is the oldest in a dreadnought, but he is really starting to fall apart. he was around during the hearsay, something few, if any, others can claim outside of the imperium.

The swear filter is in place for a reason. --Janthkin

 Super Ready wrote:
Actually the thought occurred to me that he probably doesn't have it for balance reasons. Consider that he already has a 2+ and 4++...giving him Eternal Warrior would put only Abaddon, Draigo and Lysander above him on the scale of Marine survivability. You'll notice that those three are in Termie armour so as well as not having a jump pack, they can't perform sweeping advances.

Logan, Marneus Calgar, any Marine HQ on a bike and any Black Templars HQ with an Adamantine Mantle are also higher on the scale.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Look at these people who disregard the OP.

Dante is the most concrete answer we can have.

Maybe Luther, if you for some reason count him.

Yes, Dante is the oldest living loyal Space Marine and Bjorn is the oldest living sarcophagus bound SM from the HH.

ok, so its Dante
now whats the life expectancy of a guardsmen in battle?? haha

Probably Dante but I thought Sanginor if he was Azkaellon...

DeathCompanyFTW wrote:
Probably Dante but I thought Sanginor if he was Azkaellon...

This notion is probably due to the fact that the Sanguiniary Guard are crying over the fact he died, and have decided, in their ultimate wisdom and gold-ness, that the Sanguinor MUST BE AZKAELLON BECAUSE WE SAID SO x)