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2013/07/03 21:20:27
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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 Super Ready wrote:Slight correction - it was LUTHER who couldn't strike the Primarch down. Luther is, of course, still kicking but sitting in near-stasis so I doubt he counts here.
Cypher may not have been in the Warp, he may have, we can't say for sure - but he is DEFINITELY under the watchful eye of the Chaos Gods. So you can't really claim his age is purely down to him being a Marine.
Actully, that's up for debate. SOMETHING is watching over him, but no one knows if it's the Chaos Gods, the Emperor or some unknown third party. Personally, I think the Watchers in the Dark have something to do with it.
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2013/07/03 23:07:28
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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 cowmonaut wrote:tommse wrote:I was wondering f there are any loyal SM left who lived through the Horus Heresy without hiding in the warp or being put into a dreadnaught coffin.
Maybe, but doubtful. Dante is currently the oldest known living Space Marine. He's been the Chapter Master of the Blood Angels for over 1100 years. Lysander was lost in the warp for 1000+ years and it is specifically stated that he does not remember a time where Dante was not the Blood Angels' Chapter Master. Lysander himself was a Sergeant in the 3rd Company of the Imperial Fists during 567.M40 and made Captain of the 2nd Company during 585.M40. Sometime after that he becomes Captain of the 1st Company and some time after that is lost in the warp. No dates are given for either event.
Given the Horus Heresy happened in M31, even Dante likely wasn't born when it happened. Dante has been a Chapter Master since M40, the tail end of M39 if you want to be optimistic and push things to the limit. That's still over 7000 years after the Horus Heresy.
So I seriously doubt that any individual has existed for that long unless they were A) lost in the warp so time did not affect them (in which case, 13th Company of the Space Wolves would qualify to the man) or B) interred in a Dreadnought or other form of stasis (and again Space Wolves win, with Bjorn the Fell-Hand being a member of the Wolf Guard of Leman Russ and handed the title of Chapter Master by Russ himself).
as I have said though, the sanguinor may actually be Azkellon and if so he is older than Bjorn.
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2013/07/03 23:15:23
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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The Sanguinor is also definitely not mortal in the standard sense. Whether he's some sort of "good" daemon, a personification of Warp energy coalesced into a given form based on the Blood Angel's beliefs, the ghost of Sanguinius or whatever-the-feth... he/it is not a non-Warp-using, non-Dread, flesh-and-blood Space Marine.
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2013/07/03 23:16:19
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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BaconUprising wrote: cowmonaut wrote:tommse wrote:I was wondering f there are any loyal SM left who lived through the Horus Heresy without hiding in the warp or being put into a dreadnaught coffin.
Maybe, but doubtful. Dante is currently the oldest known living Space Marine. He's been the Chapter Master of the Blood Angels for over 1100 years. Lysander was lost in the warp for 1000+ years and it is specifically stated that he does not remember a time where Dante was not the Blood Angels' Chapter Master. Lysander himself was a Sergeant in the 3rd Company of the Imperial Fists during 567.M40 and made Captain of the 2nd Company during 585.M40. Sometime after that he becomes Captain of the 1st Company and some time after that is lost in the warp. No dates are given for either event.
Given the Horus Heresy happened in M31, even Dante likely wasn't born when it happened. Dante has been a Chapter Master since M40, the tail end of M39 if you want to be optimistic and push things to the limit. That's still over 7000 years after the Horus Heresy.
So I seriously doubt that any individual has existed for that long unless they were A) lost in the warp so time did not affect them (in which case, 13th Company of the Space Wolves would qualify to the man) or B) interred in a Dreadnought or other form of stasis (and again Space Wolves win, with Bjorn the Fell-Hand being a member of the Wolf Guard of Leman Russ and handed the title of Chapter Master by Russ himself).
as I have said though, the sanguinor may actually be Azkellon and if so he is older than Bjorn.
NO - even if you ignore OP, his a freaking psychic construct...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/07/03 23:37:02
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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It is hinted it at that the sanguinor may be him or his essence so...YES (but no seriously it's very unlikely to be him)
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2013/07/03 23:39:25
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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The Sanguinor, when he appears, manifests out of thin freaking air. There's no way this guy is a flesh-and-blood Space Marine that has been around since the Heresy without the use of the Warp or a Dreadnought.
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2013/07/03 23:41:21
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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That's why I said his essence...
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2013/07/03 23:54:35
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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He did not deny women his company, Mandrake, but he did deny them... his essence.
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2013/07/04 20:14:25
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
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2013/07/05 16:25:50
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Pile of Necron Spare Parts
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 Warpig1815 wrote:Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
And there is the answer boys and girls. the ultra ultra ultramarine.
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2013/07/05 16:33:35
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Mutating Changebringer
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41_WarGaming wrote: Warpig1815 wrote:Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
And there is the answer boys and girls. the ultra ultra ultramarine.
That's like saying Dogs are Bear-dogs.
Bear-dogs became Bears and Wolves.
Wolves became dogs.
So by that logic Dogs are domesticated Bears.
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2013/07/05 16:36:40
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Pile of Necron Spare Parts
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 DeffDred wrote:41_WarGaming wrote: Warpig1815 wrote:Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
And there is the answer boys and girls. the ultra ultra ultramarine.
That's like saying Dogs are Bear-dogs.
Bear-dogs became Bears and Wolves.
Wolves became dogs.
So by that logic Dogs are domesticated Bears.
Sounds good to me! 
Though no one would want to come over if I had a bear-dog.
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2013/07/05 18:18:18
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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@41_WarGaming - I'm not sure about bear dogs, but dogs are essentially 90% Wolf DNA, with only slight variation. There are also certain breeds of dog that have incredibly high muscle content (The English Bull Terrier, of which I am the proud owner of one, has the worlds highest muscle mass ratio of any breed of dog), so they're probably not too far off bear dogs! 
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2013/07/05 19:01:43
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Warpig1815 wrote:Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
No, because Space Marines are not clones. They are implanted with geneseed that is based, in part, on the genetic material of the Primarchs, which is, in turn, based on genetic material of the Emperor, but any Space Marine begins life as a regular human being.
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2013/07/05 19:14:23
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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Hehe I know, it was just a theory 
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2013/07/05 23:18:32
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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41_WarGaming wrote: DeffDred wrote:41_WarGaming wrote: Warpig1815 wrote:Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
And there is the answer boys and girls. the ultra ultra ultramarine.
That's like saying Dogs are Bear-dogs.
Bear-dogs became Bears and Wolves.
Wolves became dogs.
So by that logic Dogs are domesticated Bears.
Sounds good to me!
Though no one would want to come over if I had a bear-dog.
i have a Karelian bear dog and its very nice. Gets on well with our cocker spaniel.
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2013/07/05 23:27:18
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Sinister Chaos Marine
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I vote for Fabius Bile.
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2013/07/05 23:40:14
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Kovnik
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Not loyal but thats a good point!
Although with all his fancy apothecary-necro shenanigans he is kind of cheating
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2013/07/05 23:47:22
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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No more so than any other Space Marine with his genetic modifications and rejuvenat-genetics.
I suppose Bile has *some* Warp-time, though I would assume, what with long-range deployments and all, that all Space Marines also have *some* Warp-time to account for their age, but not enough to seriously consider it cheating.
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2013/07/06 09:53:34
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
Mystical Warp Storm
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Pappa smurf Robert ? Very slim chance he's alive technically he's not dead cause he's frozen just before death.......
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2013/07/06 14:18:42
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Been Around the Block
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I vote for Dantioch! Well actually it is uknown what happend to him but if he's somehow alive then he's the oldest SM, non-dread ever and still loyal. Well loyal to emperor not to Perturabo so he's a traitor! But actually no old vets for loyalists. All old pricks serve chaos.
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2013/07/06 21:33:51
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Troubled By Non-Compliant Worlds
Eschara
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Just a living Space Marine (not a dreadnought) I remember reading the Death of Antagonis, and the oldest living space marine in their chapter was over 2000 years old
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Non-loyalist: Ahriman, Typhus, Kharn are still alive and kicking since the Horus Heresy..
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2013/07/08 20:04:36
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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I think Ahriman wins this one, as he was selected to be one of the first humans to be made into an astartes. And seeing as how he is also spend the most time out-of-warp in comparison to most of his 'chaos' brothers.
Real time, he would be over 11k years old at this point.
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2013/07/08 21:41:31
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
Los Angeles, CA
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Warpig1815 wrote:Now, I'm proabably going to be a little bit heretical here but... If Space Marines are formed from Primarch's DNA, and Primarchs are formed from the Emperor's DNA, and assuming the Emperor is still de facto alive (Though obviously he isn't too spritely these days) - Then does that not making him A) The oldest Space Marine (Since all Space Marines are derived from his DNA) B) Loyal - He is the Emperor after all, and C) Lived through the heresy and is still de facto alive.
Just a wild theory, feel free to pull it apart guys and, presumably, gals!
Neither the Emperor nor the Primarchs are "Space Marines." They may be the individuals from which Astartes are derived, but that does not make them such. Just because you use a part from a Ford Escort on a Mustang, does not make the Escort a Mustang. The reverse is similarly true.
That said, I'm fairly certain the answer is:
1. Bjorn the Fel-Handed (if dreadnoughts count as "alive")
or
2. Dante
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2013/07/08 21:56:18
Subject: Re:Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Mutating Changebringer
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"I think Ahriman wins this one, as he was selected to be one of the first humans to be made into an astartes. And seeing as how he is also spend the most time out-of-warp in comparison to most of his 'chaos' brothers. Real time, he would be over 11k years old at this point."
Where does that quote come from? It doesn't make sense.
The first Space Marines are all from Earth. Made by the Emperor himself.
So if the Emperor was prepared to enter into a great crusade with a legion ready for each primarch found...
That'd put the count around 10,000 (roughly) marines times 20 primarchs.
So 200.000 astartes were created... probably before Ahriman was born.
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2013/07/09 04:54:36
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ahriman is from Earth. ....a retcon, apparently. He used to be from Prospero but then later fluff works made him from earth instead, I believe.
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2013/07/09 20:12:03
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Apharious
because according to the HH books, he is still loyal
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2013/07/09 20:32:57
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Old loyalist is Bjorn the Fell Handed at 10, 000+. And I coint him as alive because Mariines are dreadnoughted an inch from death. If he was dead when you put him in, he's still dead.
But if you're obstinate that he is not counted, then Dante at1100+ whatever he was before becoming Chapter Master. I perosnally reckon its about 1400.
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2013/07/09 20:34:18
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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TiamatRoar wrote:Ahriman is from Earth. ....a retcon, apparently. He used to be from Prospero but then later fluff works made him from earth instead, I believe.
Well that's one of the many stupidest things I've heard in recent years. Was that a Mat Wardism?
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2013/07/12 20:47:13
Subject: Who is the oldest, still living Space Marine?
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Morphing Obliterator
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Luther isn't a true sm, he was too old to undergo the enhancement procedures.
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