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I don't have particularly high hopes for it to be perfectly honest. As VetSarge said, 40k is balanced at the army level, not the individual level. That has problems in an MMO where you play as a single character. It would be one thing were you to be starting off as a Nob or an Aspect Warrior or whatever, but apparently that is not the case.
Oh yeah, and Tyranids will be besieging the outnumbering Space Marines every battle. Fun.
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Hey, don't blame me just because half of my complaints about the game are the same as yours
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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I just hope they make it really hard to become top tier regardless of level. The last thing any of us want is hundreds of squealing prepubescent space marines running around shouting 'your mum,'or posting semi-illiterate nonsense.
I hope they adopt a new system but I know they won't. It's too much to ask that a game actually push boundaries now a days. Plus we've got the culture of everyone must win and be the best all the time.
Personally I'd prefer something where you HAVE to work as a unit or get penalised. Maybe some form of pseudo governmental structure in the game.
Sounds like Planetside, or Tera, or any of the other new-gen action-MMO games where combat is all real-time and predominantly skill-based, rather than heavily gear/stat based.
This could be good. On the other hand, it could be terrible.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
kronk wrote: Really not interested in video games anymore, but I hope this doesn't suck and pulls people into the 40k hobby.
How can you not be interested in being a black templar space marine and bludgeoning people to death whilst singing songs?
Its every little boy's dream come true!
I play way less video games than I used to do, now usually just strategy and RPG stuff, I actually played wow for years but wrapped on it last year when Kung Fu Panda and Pokemon made an appearance....
So I am well up for a replacement.. my mighty cat druid has been retired and now spends his evenings curled up in a tree licking his own arse.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Melissia wrote: As I said in the video games section... sounds really lame, just about everything I hear about it makes it sound worse than before.
"Hurr, it'll take five Ork Boyz to take down a spehzz muhreenz" comes to mind. It'll be so great playing Orks and being both outnumbered by Space Marine fanboys AND five times less powerful than each one.
Plenty of games have balancing features when one side has to play as the gribblies.
It's just a question of how well it is executed. I mean, if it didn't take a bunch of Orks to take down a Space Marine in an even fight, then it wouldn't be 40K, and they wouldn't be Space Marines. Or Orks, for that matter.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
I have zero confidence in its execution. The difference between LotR' evil mode and this game is that the evil mode is completely optional.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Demigod wrote: That is a valid point, however. . . Games Workshop is pretty good at protecting the Warhammer franchise as far as gameplay and sticking to the lore and background. I haven't played a bad Warhammer/Warhammer 40K game, they usually do a great job. I just can't see them releasing a game like this as a "browser game" or "phone game". Time will tell.
I don't think he meant the game will be made as a phone/browser game. Took him a tad too literally there. He means the company isn't specialised in producing the sorts of games this is going to be, so, as he is saying, it probably wont be very good
Will I get away with this one?
Apparently I will. Everyone's saying the same thing.
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I figure if there arent enough orks to be fielded, then we wont see nids attacking them all the time but more so see NPC orks. Most will be the F2P people but some will just blindly run at the objective da bigger orks set out. Maybe? I dont really know. My only hope is that if i pick up a sniper rifle, and i shoot a fool in the head, that he dies(headshots count as rending essentially?). Execpt for special Invuln type upgrades. If they make that happen for me then ill be happy with this game without Tau being in it. As long as the gameplay and everything matches what they've dreamed it up to be..........
Tyranids will consume the universe!!! There is no chance for survival!!
.........eventually anyways.........
i might be interested.... of course i would like to be a guardsman but it seems like thats not going to happen. so i guess orks then... i hope they have stormboys
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I swear I think those two have a hate-crush on each other sometimes.
I have zero confidence in its execution. The difference between LotR' evil mode and this game is that the evil mode is completely optional.
Are you concerned because it seems to be almost entirely PVP orientated?
Don't worry Melissia, I have read the full synopsis and they have planned for every contingency.
If that is the case, you can gaily while away the hours chained to a desk in an administrative role for your imperialist masters, or perhaps you would enjoy a more thrilling position, working in a mine for 15 hours a day on a hive.
I can see it now.. the gripping and suspenseful role of an imperial citizen, stationed so far from the front line he has to send his laundry forwards.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
You do know that some people play MMOs for the Crafting or Economic systems, and give not a single gak about the combat aspects, right?
As has been demonstrated time and time again by a long list of MMOs, PVP-focused gameplay winds up with a very hardcore, but very, very small, fanbase. This does not bode well for a title like Warhammer 40K.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
mattyrm wrote: Are you concerned because it seems to be almost entirely PVP orientated?
I'm concerned that it's going to be a badly implementedpvp oriented game.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Ooh, how exciting! I've been waiting for a new 40k game since Space Marine.
I do hope Tyranids do become playable. What could probably work is playing as medium-sized gribblies like Warriors, Lictors, Zoanthropes, Raveners, Shrikes, etc. To incorperate the swarm aspect, perhaps synapse creatures could take control of and command non-synapse creatures.
Though the though of playing as a carnifex, mawloc, or flyrant is all too tempting
So is that stuff about making Space Marines pay2play legit? Whats an Ork player with money gonna get out of the game then?
I mean why not just start the Imperial Faction as Imperial Guard? Boom, theres fodder on every side and its fun for all of us.
I'm really hoping for Planetside with 40k aesthetics. Or even C&C Renegade. If it's like WoW I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole.
Earn points playing as basic fodder, spend points to play as your actual character who is persistant across games. If he dies, you've gotta go do your time on the front again. Now we have a handful of uberdudes and a wave of rank and file every game.
I think ity could work if it turns into each player is a squad leader?
Like a Necron Lord, Space Marine Sergeant, Ork Nob etc, and your squad are NPCs that follow your orders
Experience is something you get just after you need it The Narkos Dynasty - 15k Iron Hands - 12k The Shadewatch - 3k Cadmus Outriders - 4k Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k
Dakkamite wrote: So is that stuff about making Space Marines pay2play legit? Whats an Ork player with money gonna get out of the game then?
I mean why not just start the Imperial Faction as Imperial Guard? Boom, theres fodder on every side and its fun for all of us.
I'm really hoping for Planetside with 40k aesthetics. Or even C&C Renegade. If it's like WoW I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole.
Earn points playing as basic fodder, spend points to play as your actual character who is persistant across games. If he dies, you've gotta go do your time on the front again. Now we have a handful of uberdudes and a wave of rank and file every game.
"I gotta present for ya!"
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
I think ity could work if it turns into each player is a squad leader?
Squads take away from flexibility. I remember playing Halo 3 when it first came out. I literally had 400+ hours on Halo 2, top player in my town and everything. But that goddamn NPC arbiter following me around was so bad that I quit the franchise.
Eternal Crusade will follow a free-to-play model, but non-paying players are restricted in faction and progression. “They can only be Orkboyz! It takes five Orkboyz in the tabletop game to take down one Space Marine!” Miguel's excitement grew with every breath. Free players cannot progress in military rank beyond officer.
tl;dr: If you don't pay you might as well not play because you'll exist for the sole purpose of being slaughtered by everyone else.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
On the extremely scant information I've seen, it looks weak. Way too early to say obviously, but I have very little hope for this.
MMOs tend to die rapidly even when they have mass appeal. Which a 40k MMO will have less of than say a game based on the Star Wars franchise...backed by a company with great RPG history and sharing a name with one of the greatest scifi RPGs ever. You know the one that lasted like 5 minutes.
Star Trek taught me so much. Like, how you should accept people, whether they be black, white, Klingon or even female...
Dakkamite wrote: Aside from that Orkboyz comment it looks really good.
But that comment is like, pure poison. It does not take five fething Orks to kill a beakie.
Looks more like several dozen.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Dakkamite wrote: He *is* referring specifically to the tabletop game mate...
One Marine vs Five Orks? Money on the Orks every time.
On the TT? Even five Termagants will beat one marine.
In assault.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Dakkamite wrote: He *is* referring specifically to the tabletop game mate...
One Marine vs Five Orks? Money on the Orks every time.
On the TT? Even five Termagants will beat one marine.
In assault.
Even five guardsmen will beat one marine in an assault.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Dakkamite wrote: He *is* referring specifically to the tabletop game mate...
One Marine vs Five Orks? Money on the Orks every time.
On the TT? Even five Termagants will beat one marine.
In assault.
Even five guardsmen will beat one marine in an assault.
Termagants are a bit less competent than Guardsmen in assault due to a crappier armorsave.
Although if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, even five grots can beat a marine in assault.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Five Shoota boyz will outshoot a Space Marine. Doubly so when theres cover on the board and not some bogus western quickdraw situation
Five Slugga boyz will outfight a space marine in assault.
Five Sluggas charging a space marine from across a blank open field at maximum range will likely lose to the space marine. But in actually likely situation, Orks > Spruce mohrines every time
The Narkos Dynasty - 15k
Iron Hands - 12k 
The Shadewatch - 3k 
Cadmus Outriders - 4k 
Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k 
