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 Backspacehacker wrote:
IM just gonna post this here,

I think a lot of people are missing something even bigger then a 40k mmo

Creative assembly owns the rights to make 40k games. you know what that means right?

Total war: warhammer 40k edition...guys, just thing about it.....you can control LEGIONS of SM or guards, Ork, ect ect.

but the MMO is cool as well

Creative Assembly has the rights for Warhammer fantasy

 Backspacehacker wrote:
IM just gonna post this here,

I think a lot of people are missing something even bigger then a 40k mmo

Creative assembly owns the rights to make 40k games. you know what that means right?

Total war: warhammer 40k edition...guys, just thing about it.....you can control LEGIONS of SM or guards, Ork, ect ect.

but the MMO is cool as well

Not sure how this is relevant, considering how CA is not making the MMO.

They do not own the rights to Wh40k either, iirc.

About the SM being 5x stronger than the Ork Boyz: I love it.

The Free-players don't want to play? Sure, you can do that. Now the SM players can have HOARDS of ork boyz running in their direction. This looks so much more "fluffy" and interesting than the "All classes and races will be balanced". The paying Ork players would probably be Nobz, "commanding" the lesser Boyz. And the Orks are the only "horde" faction announced so yeah, this looks perfect!

I really want to know what classes we can choose

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
About the SM being 5x stronger than the Ork Boyz: I love it.

The Free-players don't want to play? Sure, you can do that. Now the SM players can have HOARDS of ork boyz running in their direction.

Or, more likely than not, five months in Space Marines outnumber Orks.

 Melissia wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
About the SM being 5x stronger than the Ork Boyz: I love it.

The Free-players don't want to play? Sure, you can do that. Now the SM players can have HOARDS of ork boyz running in their direction.

Or, more likely than not, five months in Space Marines outnumber Orks.

Let us hope not, but I think there'll be plenty of fresh meat to try the F2P games. I guess it will all depend how fun it actually is to be a Ork Boy. I have no idea how the PvP is, but if the Ork Boyz get an almost instant respawn instead of having that waiting time every other factions has, oh God-Emprah, no reason not to play like an Ork, rushing in and chopping like a madman

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
About the SM being 5x stronger than the Ork Boyz: I love it.

The Free-players don't want to play? Sure, you can do that. Now the SM players can have HOARDS of ork boyz running in their direction.

Or, more likely than not, five months in Space Marines outnumber Orks.

Let us hope not, but I think there'll be plenty of fresh meat to try the F2P games. I guess it will all depend how fun it actually is to be a Ork Boy. I have no idea how the PvP is, but if the Ork Boyz get an almost instant respawn instead of having that waiting time every other factions has, oh God-Emprah, no reason not to play like an Ork, rushing in and chopping like a madman

You're assuming people will stay when they realised that free-players are essentially playing to lose, it's more likely that people who are just hopping between free MMOs are just gonna hop onto the next MMO the moment they realised that the game is pay2win, people who stay are gonna be WH40k fanatics who'll likely pay whatever they can for anything WH40k, they'll probably also sacrifice their firstborn if GW asks for a blood sacrifice for the blood Kirby, but that's a discussion for another day. So I think what Melissia said is the likely reality, you'd just see a bunch of paid players with their Nobs and whatnot standing about. The dreamland where you could just beat up hordes and hordes of Ork Boyz with your power sword and thunder hammer exist here, someone also need to pick up their remains and make an assault marine game, the jump pack in that game is super fun!

People who play PvP games play to win. Often, they will pay to win, too, and not always in the ways the dev considered. I am all but certain that the current design philosophy will change between now and the time this game goes gold.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
IM just gonna post this here,

I think a lot of people are missing something even bigger then a 40k mmo

Creative assembly owns the rights to make 40k games. you know what that means right?

Total war: warhammer 40k edition...guys, just thing about it.....you can control LEGIONS of SM or guards, Ork, ect ect.

but the MMO is cool as well

Not sure how this is relevant, considering how CA is not making the MMO.

They do not own the rights to Wh40k either, iirc.

THQ does though don't they? what i would love it a Supreme Commander-esque style game, because DoW was too small scale XD and you could add titans and stuff in it too, and still mass legions of troops.

THQ went under last year. Sega bought 40k and CA bought Fantasy from them during the administration period.

sLeEpYrOcK wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
IM just gonna post this here,

I think a lot of people are missing something even bigger then a 40k mmo

Creative assembly owns the rights to make 40k games. you know what that means right?

Total war: warhammer 40k edition...guys, just thing about it.....you can control LEGIONS of SM or guards, Ork, ect ect.

but the MMO is cool as well

Not sure how this is relevant, considering how CA is not making the MMO.

They do not own the rights to Wh40k either, iirc.

THQ does though don't they? what i would love it a Supreme Commander-esque style game, because DoW was too small scale XD and you could add titans and stuff in it too, and still mass legions of troops.

THQ had the rights. They've been dead for about a year.

Way too much crying over a subscription fee.....cuz you know, no game out there does that! You basically get an advanced demo(playing as an ork boy for a while) then you decide you like the game as much as you like WoW and you start paying. Now you have access to everything!!

Will SM outnumber orks with paying players? Probably, but i bet if that happens then we see some ork NPCs runnin around with the nobz.

Not to mention i bet its not bad being an ork boy if they get any access to anything they can get in the codex, being "just an ork boy"

Actually, most MMOs, even triple-A titles, move to F2P after their first year.

The problem is that a vocal fanbase (of any IP) and investors look at WoW and think "how can we beat that?" and then expect a new property to beat WoW's subscription numbers, not realizing, or understanding, that WoW was an anomaly, in terms of its subscription numbers and popularity, that has not been repeated, neither before nor since, and will never be.

If investors had more realistic expectations of an MMO's performance (and if games media could throw the term "WoW Killer" into the plasma reactor) things might go more smoothly for studios and fans alike.

Did a little research and realized i really have been away from computer gaming for a while lol and i guess Guild Wars system would probably be the best, you CAN pay2win but you can earn all the same gak other ways aswell.

I do know however, that i really like the Ideas of massive battles and the ranking system. Where you're gettung missions and objectives on a planetaryish scale from people on a forever changing battlefield. And if they can pull it off the way I happen to imagine it then i would gladly pay a subscription fee similar to WoW.

What they CANT(shouldnt) do is make it so that you can ONLY get missions or accomplish things by talking to people, they also cant restrict your gear and leveling using the ranking, you should still get stronger and better and be able to buy gak back at home base regardless of whether you're lone wolfing it or not.

Also the idea of heroes in the battle is cool! Give one guy a couple of special pieces of 1 time use(or one battle use maybe) equipment that could totally turn the tide of battle?! Epically awesome!!

I Just hope they can actually pull it off!

The idea of the Public Quest is viable, but is currently only present in a couple of triple-A titles. I'm not sure, at this point, if this studio has what it takes to release a game of that magnitude or scope.

Right now, we have no real indication as to what content will be like, or billing models, prices for unlocks, etc. It's all speculation and dev-hype.

sLeEpYrOcK wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
IM just gonna post this here,

I think a lot of people are missing something even bigger then a 40k mmo

Creative assembly owns the rights to make 40k games. you know what that means right?

Total war: warhammer 40k edition...guys, just thing about it.....you can control LEGIONS of SM or guards, Ork, ect ect.

but the MMO is cool as well

Not sure how this is relevant, considering how CA is not making the MMO.

They do not own the rights to Wh40k either, iirc.

THQ does though don't they? what i would love it a Supreme Commander-esque style game, because DoW was too small scale XD and you could add titans and stuff in it too, and still mass legions of troops.

Supreme Commander 40k would get approximately all my money. Make it happen!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
THQ went under last year. Sega bought 40k and CA bought Fantasy from them during the administration period.

Sega bought Relic, they did not buy the 40k license. Also Sega owns Creative Assembly, so they do have a Fantasy License however I don't know if it is exclusive or not. As of the announcement of this MMO, there are now 3 separate developers that have a 40k license that we know of.

Wolfnid420 wrote:
Way too much crying over a subscription fee.....cuz you know, no game out there does that! You basically get an advanced demo(playing as an ork boy for a while) then you decide you like the game as much as you like WoW and you start paying. Now you have access to everything!!

Will SM outnumber orks with paying players? Probably, but i bet if that happens then we see some ork NPCs runnin around with the nobz.

Not to mention i bet its not bad being an ork boy if they get any access to anything they can get in the codex, being "just an ork boy"

I don't want to play and Ork, I hate them...

If it happens the way it's said to, I was thinking about an instance system. Like, each PvP zone has instances or matches (depending on if they want it free roam PvP or not) that only allow so many of certain races. That way, it forcibly limits the amount of SM's that can be in the match at one time. Of course, this would require a ton of different instances as there will be a multitude of paying SM's. Will it work? Probably not, but it's better than what they have said so far (which is really not a whole lot. Most of this is player speculation).

Of course, they could always just solve all these problems by making all races playable for F2P but maybe limit certain things that don't make a huge impact. STO does that, F2P gets everything that paying members get, but paying members get some cosmetic things and access to a pay only area that is more of a social hub than anything else.

One thing that is really annoying about this thread is that people are claiming that a subscription fee based system is the same as pay to win. That is a ridiculous conflation and just wrong.

In FFXI you could play free up to level 20 at one point and NO ONE ever confused that with pay to win.

Seriously, some people need to get their facts straight. There has not been anything mentioned you can pay cash for that gives you an in game advantage. The only thing mentioned specifically was an emote.

Pay to win would be something like buying an add on that made your character better at PvP or made your gear stronger, more accurate etc. Now, if the latter type of gear does become available through real money trade, then yeah the game would be completely compromised and pointless. However, the same could be said for any game.

They are going off the rumor that Paying unlocks other races that aren't Orks (and only Ork Boyz at that). THAT is paying to win, mostly because the other rumor is that Space Marines are blatantly going to be 5x stronger than an Ork so you have to pay or you will end up being crushed by the Space Marine players.

But of course, most of this is speculation...

 washout77 wrote:
They are going off the rumor that Paying unlocks other races that aren't Orks (and only Ork Boyz at that). THAT is paying to win, mostly because the other rumor is that Space Marines are blatantly going to be 5x stronger than an Ork so you have to pay or you will end up being crushed by the Space Marine players.

But of course, most of this is speculation...

I dont agree that is paying to win. If you want to play the game you pay. If you want to try it out for free you are limited to being a low level Ork. That is not the same as paying to win. Actually none of that is speculation, it is what the developer announced in an interview.

If a Space Marine is 5x stronger than an Ork, but there are 7x as many Ork players, doesn't that mean paying to be a Space Marine doesn't guarantee you winning?

The whole marine 5x stronger than an ork is overblown. It cannot even be interpreted since both marines, orks and all the other races will be gaining levels. In an interview the developer explained why this decision was made, if you accept some of the assumptions he made his reasoning was actually sound. If you think he was off base on his assumptions then his conclusion was of course not sound.

It also doesnt mean anything because apparently all kinds of alliances can be formed in the game which means that you may have orks allied with marines.

Mostly it is just people bitching, especially people that prefer a free to play model. In any event they have not started significant play testing with an open beta so who knows what the power level of an ork and a marine will end up being.

What they need to do is make a star wars battlefront 2 style of game for warhammer.

yukondal wrote:
What they need to do is make a star wars battlefront 2 style of game for warhammer.

This.

x40,000

have a cookie and an exalt!

There are differences between pay to win, and pay for fun, I'm absolutely fine with the latter. Former is when you find yourself unable to advance unless you pay up. Latter is when you find yourself having a lot of fun and won't mind paying more. Former is bad because they're literally going up to your face and asking for money, I admit this is what business is about, but a salesperson IRL would have to put up a fake smile and fake friendliness to sell you his craps, why shouldn't the game maker be doing the same? They're still trying to sell us stuffs. Example of pay2win: Real Racing 3. Example of pay4fun: Nimble quest, Puzzle and Dragons.

I agree it is a bit early to say which model they'll take, but I honestly wouldn't place that much trust in a studio with such an unimpressive portfolio.

JWhex wrote:
One thing that is really annoying about this thread is that people are claiming that a subscription fee based system is the same as pay to win. That is a ridiculous conflation and just wrong.

In FFXI you could play free up to level 20 at one point and NO ONE ever confused that with pay to win.

Seriously, some people need to get their facts straight. There has not been anything mentioned you can pay cash for that gives you an in game advantage. The only thing mentioned specifically was an emote.

Pay to win would be something like buying an add on that made your character better at PvP or made your gear stronger, more accurate etc. Now, if the latter type of gear does become available through real money trade, then yeah the game would be completely compromised and pointless. However, the same could be said for any game.

Free to Play = Ork Boy

Space Marine = 5 Ork Boys

Space Marine = Subscription-only character.

... that's why it's "pay 2 win". The Space Marine "class" is stated by the Devs to be 5 times as powerful as the Ork Boy. If you're not paying the sub, you only get to play the Ork Boy, and not the Space Marine.

No, Ork boy = free trial character

I wonder if it'll change, it's still a loong ways off and all.

 IHateNids wrote:
No, Ork boy = free trial character

It may be. It may also be that you only get some kind of basic grunt at the F2P level, and the subscription unlocks the "hero" classes, like Space Marines or Banshees or Nobs or Flashgitz or whatever.