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Thats what I thought - I decided to check on google anyway and I was surprised to find that he was mooted for the first one - but then Michael Keaton got it.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
You're thinking of George Clooney, right? Alec Baldwin didn't play Batman.
he did The Shadow did he not ?
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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While this would obviously be a disaster for everyone involved - the director, producers, costars, theaters, and mostly the ticket-purchasing audience - I also doubt my ability to not watch such a thing, especially if Nic Cage is giving free reign with his "acting".
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While this would obviously be a disaster for everyone involved - the director, producers, costars, theaters, and mostly the ticket-purchasing audience - I also doubt my ability to not watch such a thing, especially if Nic Cage is giving free reign with his "acting".
Wasn't he actually considered for one of the Batman's at some point? For some reason I thought that this was a contributing factor in his portrayal of "not-Batman" in Kick-Ass.
Edit:
I might be thinking of Superman...
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Anyway, you know who one of the best Batmans was ever? Mister Freaking Mom. Michael Keaton. So you really can't predict who can pull it off and who can't, you just have to let them take a chance and see how it goes.
Thought I would have greatly preferred Peter Dinklage.
Now that would be interesting. The actual crazy batman, coming out of retirement to kick alien ass, er help Superman.
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
I think they should've kept Christian Bale on this one. Superhero movies in general have moved away from atraight up good guys in the recent remakes. Batman has anger and hate and guilt and rage, generally darker personality that the old Clooney and Val Kilmer films. Superman
Spoiler:
has to kill in the latest film
which takes him away from the straight up good guy image. Iron Man is presented as bad by the new films. Bad as in, sleeps around, drink, drug, gambles bad. Arrogant. Thor is arrogant at the start of that film he is in too. Hulk/Banner admits he's not trying to reign in the Hulk, tat he is always angry.
I think this is good for the genre but in general I think any Superman crossover is bad. No matter how fmgood the other hero is, Superman is just better by virtue of near invincibility.
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I think my problem with this film is I don't like Superman.
I liked Christian Bale as Batman - in fact I really liked all 3 films. I haven't liked Ben Affleck in many films I'm fairly sure I'll judge the whole film on 'was it better than batman' if I see it.
Because of Supermans presence, I may be prejudiced from the start. And our cinema is £10 a go.
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
Breotan wrote: This is about as stupid a casting choice as putting Reynolds in as Green Lantern. Not than any other actor could have saved GL, but still.
I thought he did well as the Green Lantern/Hal Jordan, I just thought the movie as a whole sucked, and he was really good as Wade Wilson. It's not his fault that they made him into a freaky mutant Baraka.
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Ugh I cannot stress this enough. Action stars are not made, they are born. Stop putting non action guys in my action movies. That includes my super hero movies.
You can't just grab a chick flick actor and stuff him in a suite and call him action hero. That's not how it works. It's not believable.
Now thay its said I whole heartedly agree. Action stars are born. You couldn't have just anyone play Rambo, or Terminator, or anything with Chuck Norris.
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wowsmash wrote: Ugh I cannot stress this enough. Action stars are not made, they are born. Stop putting non action guys in my action movies. That includes my super hero movies.
You can't just grab a chick flick actor and stuff him in a suite and call him action hero. That's not how it works. It's not believable.
I like Ben but hes not action guy material.
Well, lots of non-action actors ended up being pretty decent action guys.
I didn't really think of Robert Downey Jr. being superhero material, but look at his Iron Man.
Matt Damon was just another pretty-face actor, until he kicked butt as Jason Bourne.
Heath Ledger is a great example of getting your mind blown despite everybody saying that it was a horrible casting.
I'm not saying that he will be great as Batman. I'm just saying that there is no reason why he should automatically be bad.
For what its worth - I think Christian Bale worked better for me as batman as everytime I saw Bruce Wayne, I was put in mind of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.
If Ben Affleck can bring the same unhealthily crazy edge to Batman as keaton (and in my head, Christian Bale) I'll be a lot more receptive to this film.
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
Deadshot wrote: I think they should've kept Christian Bale on this one. Superhero movies in general have moved away from atraight up good guys in the recent remakes. Batman has anger and hate and guilt and rage, generally darker personality that the old Clooney and Val Kilmer films.
Well, Bale didn't want to do it even for a crapton of money, that was the point. Bale's Batman was all rage and sharp edges as you said; a tortured counter-terrorist Batman. But after thinking about it, they might need the character to take at least a half-step toward a less tortured but still intense superheroic Batman. Remember that this isn't just about Supes and Bats, it's about an eventual JL movie. And I'm not sure how well Nolan's Batman would fit into that concept. It's hard to imagine the Nolan Batman having an actual Robin, let alone working with a team of peers.
Bale would have made it work regardless, but my point here is that Affleck doesn't need to mimic Bale's Batman, and maybe he shouldn't. I don't think Affleck is a great actor, but I have a gut feeling he'll do a good job with this if the material is good. Remember that by most accounts he felt very burned by his Daredevil experience and didn't want to go near another comic book movie. The dude has become a big-time director, so he's got plenty of opportunities and things to do with his time. So the script and pitch must have sold him. I'm not going to dump on this choice.
Breotan wrote: This is about as stupid a casting choice as putting Reynolds in as Green Lantern. Not than any other actor could have saved GL, but still.
I thought he did well as the Green Lantern/Hal Jordan, I just thought the movie as a whole sucked, and he was really good as Wade Wilson. It's not his fault that they made him into a freaky mutant Baraka.
I actually agree with this. Probably no one will agree with my next point, but I think that less separates the GL movie from the Iron Man movie than people think. Iron Man was obviously the better film, but both had very formulaic stories, lead actors that are capable of being funny and charming, and good casting overall (GL's obvious miss was with Carol Ferris). Sure, RDJ carried his film far better than Reynolds did (the Iron Man franchise might be the all-time great example of a lead actor carrying films), but with a better, tighter screenplay and script GL could have been a good film.
They got a lot of the little things right with GL, they just missed with the Parallax story. I know they were trying to go the Batman Begins route and save Sinestro for the sequel. And I know it was going to be hard balancing the Earth-bound stuff with the cosmic stuff. But what the plot needed most was a better/clearer/relatable villain. They *wasted* Peter Saarsgard in a bad-guy-but-not-the-big-bad-guy role and then made the big bad guy a talking cloud.
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The 1st Hulk film was ruined by making the villain a talking cloud.
Fantastic Four:Rise of the silver surfer was ruined by making the villain a cloud.
The first Blade's alternate ending was - talking cloud. I'm so pleased that they had a sword fight instead.
Why do film type people think 'Whats better than a villain?...I know most people don't like bad weather, so therefore I will make EVIL WEATHER!'
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
I loved the first Hulk movie. It was both epically deeper then your average 4th grade level superhero movie, and artistly involved more comic book elements. Plus it showed Hulk as essentially an unstoppable force of nature. Tick him off enough, and he could faceplant superman.
The second one was your average plain jane super hero movie. Meh.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: I loved the first Hulk movie. It was both epically deeper then your average 4th grade level superhero movie, and artistly involved more comic book elements. Plus it showed Hulk as essentially an unstoppable force of nature. Tick him off enough, and he could faceplant superman.
The second one was your average plain jane super hero movie. Meh.
The second one had the first superhero/supervillain fight that was decent in years. The first fantastic 4 film is a good example of my dislikes in films - you spend the entire film watching them develop, then at the end they meet Doom and immediately win with almost no apparent effort.. Job Done. The first Hulk was good until the very end for me. Evil weather doesn't make a good villain.
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
I liked the Ang Lee Hulk much better than the more recent version. I get the criticism that it was too little HULK SMASH and too cerebral, but at least it tried to be about something more than HULK SMASH. Meanwhile, the more recent film is just kinda simple and dumb to me. But yes, that last act in the Lee film was a big mess. Lee was right to try to give Banner's rage an actual source and the father angle was interesting. But Nolte becoming the Absorbing Man, and later a gamma cloud or whatever just made for a jumbled, odd ending. The father plotline needed to be cleaner and without the Absorbing Man angle.
gorgon wrote: I liked the Ang Lee Hulk much better than the more recent version. I get the criticism that it was too little HULK SMASH and too cerebral, but at least it tried to be about something more than HULK SMASH. Meanwhile, the more recent film is just kinda simple and dumb to me. But yes, that last act in the Lee film was a big mess. Lee was right to try to give Banner's rage an actual source and the father angle was interesting. But Nolte becoming the Absorbing Man, and later a gamma cloud or whatever just made for a jumbled, odd ending. The father plotline needed to be cleaner and without the Absorbing Man angle.
I agree on all points.
I'll also note the banter, and hulk in Avengers was one of the few bits I actually liked about that movie.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
My first response was After reading many of the better written and considered posts here I'm still still not sold on the idea of him as Batman. Every picture of him I've seen just doesn't scream "Dark Knight" to me. Christian Bale did when he was announced.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: My first response was After reading many of the better written and considered posts here I'm still still not sold on the idea of him as Batman. Every picture of him I've seen just doesn't scream "Dark Knight" to me. Christian Bale did when he was announced.
Argo gives me some hope. He can do drama and action, and I think it supports the "detective/problem solver" aspect of Batman. I'm not saying that I'm not worried, but I'm not panicking just yet.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: My first response was After reading many of the better written and considered posts here I'm still still not sold on the idea of him as Batman. Every picture of him I've seen just doesn't scream "Dark Knight" to me. Christian Bale did when he was announced.
Argo gives me some hope. He can do drama and action, and I think it supports the "detective/problem solver" aspect of Batman. I'm not saying that I'm not worried, but I'm not panicking just yet.
Yeah... after Argo, Ben can do whatever he wants and I'll watch.
Frazzled wrote: I loved the first Hulk movie. It was both epically deeper then your average 4th grade level superhero movie, and artistly involved more comic book elements. Plus it showed Hulk as essentially an unstoppable force of nature. Tick him off enough, and he could faceplant superman.
The second one was your average plain jane super hero movie. Meh.
I agree, although the first one lost me pretty bad when it crapped the bed at the end, with the fighting the electrified cloud and all. That's one of those scenes where it's like, how the hell did this happen?
I also loved the comic panel intercuts, and all the scenes of the gamma irradiated town were terrific in both tone and cinematography.
I'm kinda biased towards liking it, though because I have a real soft spot for Jennifer Connelly. Also Liv Tyler, so I didn't exactly hate the second one, though it was a much weaker film.
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After reading many of the better written and considered posts here I'm still still not sold on the idea of him as Batman. Every picture of him I've seen just doesn't scream "Dark Knight" to me. Christian Bale did when he was announced.
