A funny bit about Whole Foods and Rich White People

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**daedalus**

Ugh, I have hypocondriac neo-yuppie coworkers who always rant about how much better and healthier their unpasturized milk and gluten free cardboard is. One of them actually drinks Kombucha. She got pissed at me when I told her that her suspicious of "wifi allergy" was entirely psychosomatic, and studies have proven it as such.

These people need real tragedy and strife in their lives to wake them up from their imaginary plights.

**Alfndrate**

daedalus wrote:
Ugh, I have hypocondriac neo-yuppie coworkers who always rant about how much better and healthier their unpasturized milk and gluten free cardboard is. One of them actually drinks Kombucha. She got pissed at me when I told her that her suspicious of "wifi allergy" was entirely psychosomatic, and studies have proven it as such.

These people need real tragedy and strife in their lives to wake them up from their imaginary plights.

Unpasteurized milk sounds like a bad time, and I can't say there is any inherent health benefits to gluten free breads since my life style hasn't changed much. My dad dropped a crapload of weight when he switched over (went from 260 to 215 in like 6 months and got his beetus under control), I've pretty much remained at a constant 250.

Also wifi allergy? That's a 'thing' people think they can 'have'?

Also whembly, I've had it, it's not bad. Udi's makes a decent 'thin crust' gluten free pizza

**cincydooley**

What is used in gluten free bread instead of gluten?

**whembly**

cincydooley wrote:
What is used in gluten free bread instead of gluten?

Rice flour primarily...

**Mr. Burning**

cincydooley wrote:
What is used in gluten free bread instead of gluten?

What? don't you see? You do that thing that gluten is supposed to do for bready things. It was you all along.

Several grains and starch sources are considered acceptable for a gluten-free diet. The most frequently used are corn, potatoes, rice, and tapioca (derived from cassava). Other grains and starch sources generally considered suitable for gluten-free diets include amaranth, arrowroot, millet, montina, lupin, quinoa, sorghum (jowar), taro, teff, chia seed, and yam. Sometimes various types of bean, soybean, and nut flours are used in gluten-free products to add protein and dietary fiber.
Almond flour has a low glycemic index, and is a low-carbohydrate alternative to wheat flour. In spite of its name, buckwheat is not related to wheat. Pure buckwheat is considered acceptable for a gluten-free diet, however, many commercial buckwheat products are mixtures of wheat and buckwheat flours, and thus, not gluten-free. Gram flour, derived from chickpeas, also is gluten-free (this is not the same as Graham flour made from wheat).

Chickpeas
Gluten may be used in foods in some unexpected ways, for example it may be added as a stabilizing agent or thickener in products such as ice-cream and ketchup.[9][10]
People wishing to follow a completely gluten-free diet must take into consideration the ingredients of any over-the-counter or prescription medications and vitamins. Also, cosmetics such as lipstick, lip balms, and lip gloss may contain gluten and need to be investigated before use. Glues used on envelopes may also contain gluten.

So any and all of the above mentioned could be used to replace nasty, commie, heathen, bowel blocking gluten-y...stuff.

**Alfndrate**

cincydooley wrote:
What is used in gluten free bread instead of gluten?

Rice flour usually.

Housing the contents of my Turkey sammich today was Udi's White Sandwich Bread. It's 'flour' component is made up of TAPIOCA & POTATO STARCH, BROWN RICE FLOUR, MODIFIED TAPIOCA STARCH, so it's missing the "wheat flour' aspect which is what contains gluten.

**d-usa**

Raw milk is tasty.

Of course we also like eating raw meat...

**gorgon**

daedalus wrote:
Ugh, I have hypocondriac neo-yuppie coworkers who always rant about how much better and healthier their unpasturized milk and gluten free cardboard is. One of them actually drinks Kombucha. She got pissed at me when I told her that her suspicious of "wifi allergy" was entirely psychosomatic, and studies have proven it as such.

These people need real tragedy and strife in their lives to wake them up from their imaginary plights.

Indeed. In the absence of real threats and enemies, you invent them.

**daedalus**

Alfndrate wrote:

Unpasteurized milk sounds like a bad time, and I can't say there is any inherent health benefits to gluten free breads since my life style hasn't changed much. My dad dropped a crapload of weight when he switched over (went from 260 to 215 in like 6 months and got his beetus under control), I've pretty much remained at a constant 250.

I've been making my own bread, so while "gluteny", it doesn't have any added sugar or anything, so I'm telling myself it's as healthy as I'm going to get.

Also wifi allergy? That's a 'thing' people think they can 'have'?

For your perusal:

http://www.best-emf-health.com/electromagnetic-hypersensitivity.html

Apparently the site owner 'contracted' the 'disease' while driving around on a new lawnmower..

The owner also goes on to recommend snake oi... err, "patches" and "detectors" one can use to better find EMF radiation and elimiate it from your life, allowing your body to return to its own "God given frequencies". Again, I'm not making this up:

https://secure.demonweb.co.uk/spcom-dwh/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F3908973&rnd=7178496&rrc=N&affl=giftofhealth7&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=cat&ref=WIRELESS-ENVIRONMENT&catstr=HOME:RF_CONSUMER

All I have to say is that I wish I could have gotten in. I'm upset that I'll have to wait until the next big technology to prey upon the unfounded fears of those who can't seem to spend all their money fast enough.

**hotsauceman1**

Why do people hate yuppies so much? They are so gullible Come up with some bs sickness and say you have to cure in the form of crushed berries pissed on by a platypus and you will make millions

**Spacemanvic**

Actually, raw milk is very tasty, and is great in milk shakes and hot chocolate (or cold).

It also contains probiotic bacteria and antimicrobial enzymes and is easier to digest. Plus, especially if you know the farmer, you know what the cow is eating. I prefer a free-grazing cow for both dairy and meat as opposed to an animal that is fed something that is as nutritional as cardboard. You want an evil corporation to rail against, you cant find a more vile and abusive company than one called Monsanto. Look them up.....

**Grey Templar**

Oddly enough, cows actually can eat cardboard. They can digest the fiber in paper products just fine.

UC Davis did a study where cows were fed only news paper, and select vitamins, for several generations with no major problems.

Alfndrate wrote:
daedalus wrote:
Ugh, I have hypocondriac neo-yuppie coworkers who always rant about how much better and healthier their unpasturized milk and gluten free cardboard is. One of them actually drinks Kombucha. She got pissed at me when I told her that her suspicious of "wifi allergy" was entirely psychosomatic, and studies have proven it as such.

These people need real tragedy and strife in their lives to wake them up from their imaginary plights.

Unpasteurized milk sounds like a bad time, and I can't say there is any inherent health benefits to gluten free breads since my life style hasn't changed much. My dad dropped a crapload of weight when he switched over (went from 260 to 215 in like 6 months and got his beetus under control), I've pretty much remained at a constant 250.

Also wifi allergy? That's a 'thing' people think they can 'have'?

Also whembly, I've had it, it's not bad. Udi's makes a decent 'thin crust' gluten free pizza

Unless you are actually allergic to gluten there is no good reason to avoid it, so my doctor tells me.

And WiFi allergy is just a mental thing. Its the same people who hire electricians to wrap all the wires in their houses with tinfoil so they don't cause brain interferance .

**d-usa**

Grey Templar wrote:

Unless you are actually allergic to gluten there is no good reason to avoid it, so my doctor tells me.

And WiFi allergy is just a mental thing. Its the same people who hire electricians to wrap all the wires in their houses with tinfoil so they don't cause brain interferance .

But sometimes fake illnesses can really make you ill, and fake cures can actually cure you.

Just because a disease isn't real doesn't mean that it can't really make you sick. The mind is powerful and the placebo effect goes both ways.

Not saying that the people aren't a bit crazy, but they might actually really be physically sick.

**Ahtman**

Grey Templar wrote:
Unless you are actually allergic to gluten there is no good reason to avoid it, so my doctor tells me.

\

Every doctor I have ever read or talked to said the same thing. The trick, I suppose, is the number of people who think they are allergic to it as opposed to the number who have been diagnosed with it is probably quite large. I remember some doctor saying that if the Gluten Free section in grocery stores represented the number of people who actually should be gluten free it would need to be 800% smaller than it is.

**Grey Templar**

You make your self sick you can make yourself well.

I don't have much sympathy for people that think themselves sick over something silly like wifi. think yourself better ya twit!

**Spacemanvic**

Grey Templar wrote:
Oddly enough, cows actually can eat cardboard. They can digest the fiber in paper products just fine.

UC Davis did a study where cows were fed only news paper, and select vitamins, for several generations with no major problems.

Unless you are actually allergic to gluten there is no good reason to avoid it, so my doctor tells me.

And WiFi allergy is just a mental thing. Its the same people who hire electricians to wrap all the wires in their houses with tinfoil so they don't cause brain interferance .

These are the same people who tell us salt is bad for you, salt is good for you, salt is bad for you, salt is good for you.......

Just because they can eat cardboard, doesnt mean they should. Id much rather consume a more natural product than one that needs vitamins added to be considered nutritious.

**d-usa**

Grey Templar wrote:
You make your self sick you can make yourself well.

I don't have much sympathy for people that think themselves sick over something silly like wifi. think yourself better ya twit!

They do think themselves better.

They think that they will get better by wrapping tin-foil around their wires, and then they are well.

It's a miracle!

**Fafnir**

For what it's worth, anyone who actually has an intolerance to gluten is going to be lamenting the fact that they can't eat gluten, not celebrate it.

Both my father and grandfather are celiac (leaving me with a lovely 50% chance of getting it), and they'd kill for a chance to eat some proper bread-based products without getting violently ill.

The people on their high horses about eating gluten free are only that way because they get the choice.

**daedalus**

Spacemanvic wrote:

These are the same people who tell us salt is bad for you, salt is good for you, salt is bad for you, salt is good for you.......

Just because they can eat cardboard, doesnt mean they should. Id much rather consume a more natural product than one that needs vitamins added to be considered nutritious.

Well, most processed food DOES contain more salt than it should, but I do agree that the "salt is bad for you" talking point is way overplayed.

I've always preferred the taste of pepper to salt anyway, but that's me.

**Peregrine**

Spacemanvic wrote:
My wife loves whole foods, but for the homeopathic and supplements. The other stuff is just overpriced.

Wait, you're buying $99999999 bottles of water and you're complaining that the other stuff is overpriced?

And the fact that whole foods even has a homeopathic section is one of the reasons to hate those scamming

s. They might have figured out that "pretentious rich vegans" is a profitable market to exploit, but they're the same greedy sociopaths as every other large company.

**daedalus**

Peregrine wrote:

Wait, you're buying $99999999 bottles of water and you're complaining that the other stuff is overpriced?

And the fact that whole foods even has a homeopathic section is one of the reasons to hate those scamming s. They might have figured out that "pretentious rich vegans" is a profitable market to exploit, but they're the same greedy sociopaths as every other large company.

C'mon. What's untrustworthy about that face?

**Spacemanvic**

Peregrine wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
My wife loves whole foods, but for the homeopathic and supplements. The other stuff is just overpriced.

Wait, you're buying $99999999 bottles of water and you're complaining that the other stuff is overpriced?

And the fact that whole foods even has a homeopathic section is one of the reasons to hate those scamming s. They might have figured out that "pretentious rich vegans" is a profitable market to exploit, but they're the same greedy sociopaths as every other large company.

H--o-m-e-o-p-a-t-h-i-c stuff, not $99999999 bottles of water.

My wife now buys her herbs direct from suppliers and makes her own tinctures, but we still buy some premade homepathic meds from places like Highlands. The bulk of medicine today has it's roots in botany and herbology, so what we do isnt that far from the norm. Also, we are no where near rich, nor vegans, but we like to be responsible for our well being. Of course, there are some things that require stronger "magicks" (sic), so we do go to an MD who is also a homeopath who does prescribe regular meds as needed.

Modern pharma doenst have that stellar of a track record, especially when one of the side-effects "may include death".

**Peregrine**

Spacemanvic wrote:
H--o-m-e-o-p-a-t-h-i-c stuff, not $99999999 bottles of water.

Homeopathic = bottles of water. There is no credible evidence that homeopathic "medicine" is anything but a scam selling bottles of water at vastly inflated prices, and the supposed mechanism is obvious nonsense.

Now, if you want to talk about using herbs or whatever (without diluting them to the point that there isn't even a single atom of them left in the final result) then that's an entirely different subject.

**Spacemanvic**

Peregrine wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
H--o-m-e-o-p-a-t-h-i-c stuff, not $99999999 bottles of water.

Homeopathic = bottles of water. There is no credible evidence that homeopathic "medicine" is anything but a scam selling bottles of water at vastly inflated prices, and the supposed mechanism is obvious nonsense.

Now, if you want to talk about using herbs or whatever (without diluting them to the point that there isn't even a single atom of them left in the final result) then that's an entirely different subject.

No, it also includes solids, not bottles of water. We dont buy the diluted crap.

My wife now buys her herbs direct from suppliers and makes her own tinctures, but we still buy some premade homepathic meds from places like Highlands. The bulk of medicine today has it's roots in botany and herbology, so what we do isnt that far from the norm. Also, we are no where near rich, nor vegans, but we like to be responsible for our well being. Of course, there are some things that require stronger "magicks" (sic), so we do go to an MD who is also a homeopath who does prescribe regular meds as needed.

Modern pharma doenst have that stellar of a track record, especially when one of the side-effects "may include death".

**Peregrine**

Spacemanvic wrote:
No, it also includes solids, not bottles of water.

Which are also a scam that does not work.

**Alfndrate**

Spacemanvic wrote:Actually, raw milk is very tasty, and is great in milk shakes and hot chocolate (or cold).

It also contains probiotic bacteria and antimicrobial enzymes and is easier to digest. Plus, especially if you know the farmer, you know what the cow is eating. I prefer a free-grazing cow for both dairy and meat as opposed to an animal that is fed something that is as nutritional as cardboard. You want an evil corporation to rail against, you cant find a more vile and abusive company than one called Monsanto. Look them up.....

Yeah, we've seen the threads on them before, they're evil, they're in everything, they're changing their name to Umbrella soon....

Grey Templar wrote:
Unless you are actually allergic to gluten there is no good reason to avoid it, so my doctor tells me.

And WiFi allergy is just a mental thing. Its the same people who hire electricians to wrap all the wires in their houses with tinfoil so they don't cause brain interferance .

My dad's diabetes has come under better control since he cut gluten out and he uses far less insulin than he used to. I'm not allergic to gluten, gluten-free is just all we have in the house now.

**Peregrine**

Spacemanvic wrote:
We dont buy the diluted crap

Then you aren't talking about homeopathy. Dilution is the fundamental principle of homeopathy, if you remove that then you have something entirely different.

**Spacemanvic**

Alfndrate wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:Actually, raw milk is very tasty, and is great in milk shakes and hot chocolate (or cold).

It also contains probiotic bacteria and antimicrobial enzymes and is easier to digest. Plus, especially if you know the farmer, you know what the cow is eating. I prefer a free-grazing cow for both dairy and meat as opposed to an animal that is fed something that is as nutritional as cardboard. You want an evil corporation to rail against, you cant find a more vile and abusive company than one called Monsanto. Look them up.....

Yeah, we've seen the threads on them before, they're evil, they're in everything, they're changing their name to Umbrella soon....

Grey Templar wrote:
Unless you are actually allergic to gluten there is no good reason to avoid it, so my doctor tells me.

And WiFi allergy is just a mental thing. Its the same people who hire electricians to wrap all the wires in their houses with tinfoil so they don't cause brain interferance .

My dad's diabetes has come under better control since he cut gluten out and he uses far less insulin than he used to. I'm not allergic to gluten, gluten-free is just all we have in the house now.

Alot of illness can be maintained/cured via changes in our diet.

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Peregrine wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
We dont buy the diluted crap

Then you aren't talking about homeopathy. Dilution is the fundamental principle of homeopathy, if you remove that then you have something entirely different.

Oh damn. Then I'll be dead soon and you wont have to read any more of my posts!! But then Ill proceed to haunting you.....

**Ahtman**

Alfndrate wrote:
My dad's diabetes has come under better control since he cut gluten out and he uses far less insulin than he used to. I'm not allergic to gluten, gluten-free is just all we have in the house now.

That sounds more a like an effect of changing diet overall and not because gluten itself has a meaningful impact on diabetes. Post hoc fallacy, ect ect.

**Alfndrate**

Ahtman wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
My dad's diabetes has come under better control since he cut gluten out and he uses far less insulin than he used to. I'm not allergic to gluten, gluten-free is just all we have in the house now.

That sounds more a like an effect of changing diet overall and not because gluten itself has a meaningful impact on diabetes. Post hoc fallacy, ect ect.

*sigh* does everything have to boil down to a fething fallacy with you? I swear that's one of a handful of things I ever see you post on this site.

I really don't give a fat frog's ass what fallacy you believe my experience is. I saw his insulin use before, I saw his insulin use after, I saw his insulin use while he was allowed to eat gluten, but not allowed to eat a variety of other things, I saw his insulin use while he wasn't allowed to eat gluten and while he wasn't allowed to eat a variety of things.