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 the shrouded lord wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

It means don't be a dick.

Explain.

Really, that has to be explained to you? OK, I'll clarify. It sounds like you're being the sterotypical dick teenager. Don't be a dick.

again, explain. I don't understand what I've said that is "dickish" already I can see your clearly religious and would be happy to compete in friendly debate, further than "don't be a dick"

You people continue. It's 0:41 and I have school tomorrow. I'm going to sleep.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
I have a friend,a very very catholic friend, who, recently revealed to our "group" that, due to them not being mentioned in the bible book, doesn't. Believe. In DINOSAURS! you heard right.
*smashes head on school desk multiple times ( I did this when she/he told us)*
so, I must ask, do any of you caths share this mind set?

Well I'm a Theistic Evolutionist, so I actually believe in evolution as fact as well as the Christian God.

As for the Dinosaurs not being mentioned in the Bible, there is a creature called Behemoth mentioned in the book of Job. I know some Christians see this as a possible reference to Dinosaurs.

Job:40:15-18 “Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly! Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit. Its bones are tubes of bronze, its limbs like rods of iron.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
You people continue. It's 0:41 and I have school tomorrow. I'm going to sleep.

And point frazzled.

I'm guessing from my quote you don't know who Bill Maher is. He's a super liberal that belittles and condescends do anyone that has a shred of religious faith.

 Yak9UT wrote:
So he doesn't believe in Kangaroos either then

Also this ^

The Bible is not an encyclopedia of animals. It was never meant for that purpose.

Catholicism does NOT take a literalist view. However, Catholics can frequently be misguided by fundies who do. The odd thing is that the literalist viewpoint is really only a hundred years or so old.

Still, if your friend is really Catholic, tell him to see his priest and get set straight on the tenets of his faith. Wonder how he'd feel about the frequent Jesuit participation in the advancement of modern science.

 DarthOvious wrote:
As for the Dinosaurs not being mentioned in the Bible...

Genesis doesn't mention amoebas or penguins, either. Just saying.

I have relatives the live in that very religious part of New Zealand, (Christchurch I think?), when they were back in Glasgow when I was about 4/5 we took my Cousin, who must have been 13/14 at the time, to the Kelvingrove Art Gallery to see it's various historical wares. She didn't think dinosaurs had existed and was surprised to see their bones. Being 4/5 I didn't broach her on the subject.

People believe all kinds of strange things. Some are slightly stranger or more dangerous than others.

 Breotan wrote:
Catholicism does NOT take a literalist view. However, Catholics can frequently be misguided by fundies who do. The odd thing is that the literalist viewpoint is really only a hundred years or so old.

This is true. Young Earth Creationism came about after the English interpretation of the Bible. I believe that Thomas Aquinas argued against this sort of thinking.

Still, if your friend is really Catholic, tell him to see his priest and get set straight on the tenets of his faith. Wonder how he'd feel about the frequent Jesuit participation in the advancement of modern science.

Those darn radical inquisitors.

 DarthOvious wrote:


This is true. Young Earth Creationism came about after the English interpretation of the Bible. I believe that Thomas Aquinas argued against this sort of thinking.
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Pretty sure you're right.

 Breotan wrote:
Genesis doesn't mention amoebas or penguins, either. Just saying.

Yeah I know I agree with you. Like I said earlier, the Bible isn't an encyclopedia of animals. I just thought I would point out that there is a passage that is considered by some to be a reference to Dinosaurs.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

I need to read this "bible". The thing is, no offence to Catholics, but I would probably end up giggling for a week.

Ever read the gospel of John?

I'll give you bonus internet points if you can tell me what even the first four lines mean.

the bible mentions unicorns

(and the book of Mormon mentions Cockatrice)

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
the bible mentions unicorns

The bible also mentions the philosophical concept of "logos", more specifically the personification of thinking, truth and logic; and places this philosophy at the centre of the very idea of God.

Or are you just rattling off random bs to troll religious people? I can never tell what counts as trolling in OT.

xruslanx wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

I need to read this "bible". The thing is, no offence to Catholics, but I would probably end up giggling for a week.

Ever read the gospel of John?

I'll give you bonus internet points if you can tell me what even the first four lines mean.

You're making it sound like a non-theist can't comprehend your religion.

 xole wrote:

xruslanx wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

I need to read this "bible". The thing is, no offence to Catholics, but I would probably end up giggling for a week.

Ever read the gospel of John?

I'll give you bonus internet points if you can tell me what even the first four lines mean.

You're making it sound like a non-theist can't comprehend your religion.

I'm atheist, so no. But I don't like seeing stupid atheists attacking stupid theists, when the former have believes that are just as stupid it's just that they don't involve the word "god".

If you're going to attack religion, make sure you understand what religion actually is. If you want to slate the ideas of simple or backwards ideas, then fine. But don't pretend that you're doing anything other than insulting a random person based on their personal beliefs.

If you want to attack *religion* you better know your gak.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
I have a friend,a very very catholic friend, who, recently revealed to our "group" that, due to them not being mentioned in the bible book, doesn't. Believe. In DINOSAURS! you heard right.

Nothing to do with Catholicism. You'll have to look elsewhere to explain his weirdness on this issue.

xruslanx wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

I need to read this "bible". The thing is, no offence to Catholics, but I would probably end up giggling for a week.

Ever read the gospel of John?

I'll give you bonus internet points if you can tell me what even the first four lines mean.

I have actually, not that I'm interested in internet points from you, but the beginning four lines of the talks about Jesus and lays down the idea of his divinity. The 3 previous Gospels in the New Testament talk about how Jesus was the Son of God, but focus on the aspect of Jesus as a man. The Gospel of John says that Jesus is a divine being first and a man second. He was always with God from the beginning. It also sets up the idea of the Trinity...

Also the Gospel of John is far more poetic than the three previous gospels, so you have to take that into account as well...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
But many catholics/christians do.

Do what? if you meant to say "do not believe dinosaurs existed" then you are incorrect.

The dinosaur bones were put there by satan to turn us into unbelievers.

Unicorns are definitely real, though, here is the proof:


Numbers 23:22 “God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.”

Numbers 24:8 “God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.”

Job 39:9 “Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”

Job 39:10 “Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?”

Psalms 29:6 “He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.”

Psalms 92:10 “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”

Deuteronomy 33:17 “His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.”

Psalms 22:21 “Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.”

Isaiah 34:7 “And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.”


9 separate mentions, as far as hard evidence goes it doesn't get more concrete than that.

I'm not saying that they exist today, that would be ridiculous, but they were around at some point and probably got hunted to extinction by early homo erectus or wiped out by climate change. Or it could have simply been an evolutionary dead end as the more common traits of the horse prevailed and the genes for horn formation ceased to exist on account of being extremely rare.

If you just use a bit of logic it's easy to understand the bible and have it compatible with modern science. Big Bang = "heavens and earth", and the entire first page of the bible follows the order that modern science dictates..

First matter, then electromagnetic waves, then seas, then vegetation, then animal life etc...the bible and science sync up perfectly.

People are free to do and think as they wish.
Even if there is ton of evidence supporting it, people may still choose not to believe it, or may even have another theory on how it works.


However, religion is not my thing, so i dont usually get involved.
I tend to avoid it like the plague

 cincydooley wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nope, But many catholics/christians do. It involves that "If it doesnt make sense in my narrow world view, it is not real" Ideal f christians

Unequivocal horsegak. We live about 25 minutes from a very conservative Christian founded "creation museum" and one of their biggest exhibits ever was about about dinosaurs and they presently have one about dragons.

They may not believe in evolution, but to say they don't believe dinosaurs existed is an outright falsehood.

True, they just happen to believe that the Dinos lived as the same time as man. IIRC, the flood took care of the Dinos along with the bad people all at once. Hence, why there are no Dinos today.

I will be honest, their could be a really cool novel/movie about that biblical time just before the flood; a Hyperborean Age type tale!

xruslanx wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
the bible mentions unicorns

The bible also mentions the philosophical concept of "logos", more specifically the personification of thinking, truth and logic; and places this philosophy at the centre of the very idea of God.

Or are you just rattling off random bs to troll religious people? I can never tell what counts as trolling in OT.

no I am just saying it mentions unicorns...
I read religious scriptures often, though I don't belong to any church- I find them too limiting to how I feel and believe.
I don't remember where in the Bible Unicorns are mentioned but I did write down where Cockatrice's were mentioned in the Book of Mormon

If that line earlier was pulled from Genesis, word for word, then it's a pretty damn good description of a dinosaur. Not sure what else it COULD be.

But again, this isn't the view of Catholics. This is the view a serious nutjob who needs help. I'm sure someone who hasn't read the entire thread will get angry at me for calling her a nutjob, so go back and read the post where she HIT her friend for asking her about her religion. That isn't a normal person, and has nothing to do with religion. She's a Grade A wacko and needs help. Dinosaurs be damned (although they were freaking awesome). She's not a religious kook, she's just a kook (and is using religion to defend herself).

A old joke among Catholics is that we don't know the Bible.

 Easy E wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nope, But many catholics/christians do. It involves that "If it doesnt make sense in my narrow world view, it is not real" Ideal f christians

Unequivocal horsegak. We live about 25 minutes from a very conservative Christian founded "creation museum" and one of their biggest exhibits ever was about about dinosaurs and they presently have one about dragons.

They may not believe in evolution, but to say they don't believe dinosaurs existed is an outright falsehood.

True, they just happen to believe that the Dinos lived as the same time as man. IIRC, the flood took care of the Dinos along with the bad people all at once. Hence, why there are no Dinos today.

I will be honest, their could be a really cool novel/movie about that biblical time just before the flood; a Hyperborean Age type tale!

Yeah. Theyre Young Earth Creationists, which hardly speaks for the whole of Christendom, particularly the numerous Jesuits that have been integral to scientific advancement.

Then, you know, there's everything Pope John Paul II had to say about science and the Church's stance on evolution.

Stuff like this makes me think the Catholic Church was right for discouraging people from reading the Bible, and leaving it up to the priests to interpet

But the stance of the catholic church is that Dinosaurs existed, your friend is engaging in heresy. It's likely that if you tell her that in a smug way, you'll get slapped again, though.

People of faith often don't like smarmy atheists, as a person of no faith, I don't like them much either.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The dinosaur bones were put there by satan to turn us into unbelievers.

Unicorns are definitely real, though, here is the proof:


Numbers 23:22 “God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.”

Numbers 24:8 “God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.”

Job 39:9 “Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”

Job 39:10 “Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?”

Psalms 29:6 “He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.”

Psalms 92:10 “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”

Deuteronomy 33:17 “His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.”

Psalms 22:21 “Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.”

Isaiah 34:7 “And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.”


9 separate mentions, as far as hard evidence goes it doesn't get more concrete than that.

As with many things in the bible it all depends on the interpretation of the translation. Re'em has been translated as unicorn, but also as Wild Ox, specifically aurochs.

What about us non-atheists who just don't take things too seriously?

Higher power = definite yes.

The odds of the correct sequence of amino acids necessary for life to form at random (as a result of a non-alive universe bashing rocks together) is so small as to be effectively impossible.

There's a certain elegance to the laws of physics that implies design, too.

Everything else (various religious books written by humans, afterlife etc.) = Who the hell knows?

Probably not, and just wishful thinking on our part because we don't like to admit that people often get away with bad things without any consequences and can't accept the fact that we're going to die.

That's just my take on it.

 Alfndrate wrote:

xruslanx wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

I need to read this "bible". The thing is, no offence to Catholics, but I would probably end up giggling for a week.

Ever read the gospel of John?

I'll give you bonus internet points if you can tell me what even the first four lines mean.

I have actually, not that I'm interested in internet points from you, but the beginning four lines of the talks about Jesus and lays down the idea of his divinity. The 3 previous Gospels in the New Testament talk about how Jesus was the Son of God, but focus on the aspect of Jesus as a man. The Gospel of John says that Jesus is a divine being first and a man second. He was always with God from the beginning. It also sets up the idea of the Trinity...

Also the Gospel of John is far more poetic than the three previous gospels, so you have to take that into account as well...

That's a gross over-simplification. I don't think you do understand the gospel of John if you only have what you were told as a child about it. So, no internets for you.

Someone slaps you for questioning them, whilst they've spouted nonsensical crap that's disproved the human race at large. Even despite the second part, slap the idiot back, and/or remove them from the gene pool so they can't sprout such twaddle to the next generation (preferably whilst wielding a dinosaur bone).