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Ponder did lose to the Browns...

I'm still not getting it, and I'm listening to the video. Who bullied what now?

My senior year of highschool we had a running back that only one person in the division could touch. So for 9 out of 10 regular season games he played maybe 7 snaps before being pulled.

Our games wound up being pretty close to this 9/10 games. As the rest of our offense was pretty solid and the defense was good. So we'd run for 4-5 touchdowns. Pass 3-4 in. And then it'd be all second and third stringers. It's the right way to build a team.

And having known guys that had been on the team for 4 years up to that point, always scraping for their chance to play it was a chance for them to get the time they earned with 4 years of practice and training.

Sucks to be the crappy coach but the team and coach did didly wrong.

 Redbeard wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Three QB kneeldowns and punting is absolutely on the table as an option.

If they're still running plays and still having success, then OBVIOUSLY they haven't backed off to the fullest possible degree. Kneeldowns obviously make a joke of the game, but it sounds as though it reached that point pretty quickly anyway.

I don't think the coach showed poor sportsmanship, but perhaps he didn't exercise the maximum possible sportsmanship. If I'm the HC, once I'm up, say, 60 points with no end in sight, I cross the field and very respectfully ask the other coach what he wants me to do. If he said he wanted me to run plays so that his defense gets some work, so be it. He could have just behaved like a decent person and have a conversation with the other HC. Again, I don't think he should be crucified for not doing so, but there was some room for improvement there.

Really? What about his duty to his team? What about his responsibility to the kids on the 3rd string, who have practiced and finally gotten a chance to play. Is it that coach's fault that the other team came in woefully underprepared? Those 3rd string kids get valuable reps by playing, so that in a year, they've got some experience when it's their turn to be the starters.

As others have said, he shows sportsmanship by taking out his best players and allowing his backups to get field time. The other coach shows ineptitude.

Give me a break, Redbeard. Garbage time snaps against the sisters of the poor does not constitute meaningful development. When the 3rd string is literally scoring at will against the other team's 1st string, there isn't even a real game taking place, and that's obvious once you're up 50 points, let along 60, 70, 80 or 90.

We're talking about HS football...some teams may end up being *grossly* outmatched in a given year just because of a lack of upperclassman talent in their district. And the best coaching in the world doesn't overcome a lack of talent in football. It's Jimmies and Joes, not Xs and Os, and other than changing divisions there's no talent-balancing mechanic like in the NFL (draft, free agency) and to a lesser degree college football (freedom to sign where you want).

Read carefully what I said. I don't think there's a crime taking place here. The coach checked the usual sportsmanship boxes. My point is that he did have other options at his disposal if he really wanted to employ them. Personally, I would have at least talked to the other coach. If the other coach said, "nah, keep playing" then you're off the hook, right? And I don't think going overboard on sportsmanship by making the offer is the worst lesson to show a bunch of HS athletes.

What if they here not un prepared, they just gambled against themselves and threw the game.
It happened at my HS, they had better pools and they had kids place proxy bets for the sport teams against themselves. Thay way they will pay big

Gorgon, I'm sorry, but kneeling and punting is not an option. It's the antithesis of competition and would be more demoralizing than getting beat straight up.

Some states, once the spread gets too large, have a running clock. It doesnt appear Texas is one of those states.

this is another example of the wussification of society...


nothing wrong was done here,

except for everyone who complained about being beaten too badly,

except for the media, who has now made the losers "national prime time news" losers in front of every news viewer instead of this being a "bad game" like any other.

OFC the same bleeding hearts keep piping up about how its "unsportsman like" to actually play your best game as opposed to letting others win though pity, or making a big show of how you are "giving them a chance"

people need to deal with reality, and reality is, sometimes you lose.

by a lot.

that is when you are supposed to learn the most,

seems like the lesson some would have us learn is "complain more about how other didnt do enough to compensate for your own shortcomings, and call them unsportsmanlike for it"

rather then "try harder next time, and learn from this mistake"

I'm really curious how the schedule ended up with a game where a first string couldn't even slow down the third string...

From the article I read: http://www.wtop.com/209/3489222/Dad-alleges-bullying-in-91-0-football-game

"Texas high school coach Tim Buchanan benched his starters after only 21 plays, kept to a conservative ground game and even allowed the clock to run uninterrupted after halftime to hasten the final whistle. Still, his Bearcats won 91-0."

Maybe he should have started throwing. The other team was probably better at pass defense

Like I said. This was pretty much every game my senior year. Coach did what he could. The only people at fault here are the people crying about bullying. Sometimes there is a star or two playing on a team and it just gets ugly for a season. And some years you're rebuilding. Happens.

After sleeping on it I think I've come around to the other side of the argument. I already knew he had put in the third string, but though there was more he could have done. I didn't think through what that actually entailed, though. Kneedowns and punting.... I think if I were on the other team, I'd probably rather lose 91-0 than score even once because the other team is taking a knee or punting it. At least getting beaten 91-0 treats you with the respect of an equal, even if your performance doesn't live up to that.

To be clear, though, I never thought they were being "bullied" and I think claiming that cheapens actual bullying.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Maybe he should have started throwing. The other team was probably better at pass defense

All joking aside, scoring that many touchdowns on that few running plays means they were simply far stronger and faster than their opponents.

I mean, what team even has a third string O-line that can work together that well?

Big part of it seems to be a realignment of divisions. Basically this school, which has won 25% of the state championships for it's level in the last 16 years, got moved into a softer district. Blame the districts, not the coah or team.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Big part of it seems to be a realignment of divisions. Basically this school, which has won 25% of the state championships for it's level in the last 16 years, got moved into a softer district. Blame the districts, not the coah or team.

Honestly, the winning team couldn't be that happy about it either. sure, it's a win, but if you have playoff hopes or beyond you want to get in good games, not just club baby seals.

 Polonius wrote:
I'm really curious how the schedule ended up with a game where a first string couldn't even slow down the third string...

Because conferences (or districts) tend to get screwy over time.

I know in Minnesota after this year there is a lot of changes to the conferences, and even a new high school league starting because of how lopsided it has become.

And Wisconsin has problems with teams in the same conference being on the other side of the state, which is a long, expensive drive for a school.

sparkywtf wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I'm really curious how the schedule ended up with a game where a first string couldn't even slow down the third string...

Because conferences (or districts) tend to get screwy over time.

I know in Minnesota after this year there is a lot of changes to the conferences, and even a new high school league starting because of how lopsided it has become.

This. You get teams that had turn overs in their coaching staff, schools in rural districts that pull in students from all over that are rated 5A because of the # of students but don't have much in the way of football facilities, and so on.

And in Texas, High School Football is KING, make no doubt. High School stadiums there are larger than some small college stadiums in other states. The Texas High School state championship game routinely draws in more than 30,000 people. Last year: 48,379 Allen vs. Houston Lamar, Cowboys Stadium 2012

So one coach turned up with a team that was not fit for purpose, and the other coach turned up with a fully prepared team and did his job.

What's the issue here?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

What's the issue here?

Parents.

It's a sport and normally in sports one side wins and one side loses and it matters not what the score is. This is not a case of bullying it is a case of overly sensitive parents in an overly sensitive society blowing a high school football game out of proportion.

Wait a second, Did the team that win bring a cheesy list

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Wait a second, Did the team that win bring a cheesy list

Must have been Dark Elves against Ogres. They never stood a chance Dark Elves are OP!

There was a couple of us on FaceBook talking about this story. Pretty stupid in my eyes, the coaches team kicked a whole bunch of ass, yet hes a bully? Im pretty sure the officials should of called that gak when the spread got so far. Also, I think the losing team needs to get their asses in gear if they dont want to lose by 91 points

 Evil_Toast wrote:

 motyak wrote:


edit: I seem to have invented a game between Australian and Springboks in my mind where we lost by like 80 points...I could have sworn it happened but I can't find it anywhere on the internet...I'm scared.

Largest winning margin against the Wobblies: 30 Aug 2008 Ellis Park (Jhb) SA 53 Aus 8
Biggest losing margin: 15 July 2006 Suncorp Stadium Aus 49 SA 0

Granted, the way your team is screwing up playing this year, we should of broken that record this year.

Hmm perhaps. I distinctly remember Berrick 'The Walking Concussion' Barnes looking distraught over some loss, could have been that one. Or maybe it was a Reds game...

Ah ha!

Wikipedia said
Largest winning margin
89, Bulls (against Reds, 2007 season) Final Score 92-3

Knew it was either my country or my state. Neither of those is as bad as my highschool though, the year after I left we had the 'mercy rule' invoked, State High were up by over 100 points to nothing and the game got called with 5 minutes to go. Hilarious.

 Polonius wrote:

I mean, what team even has a third string O-line that can work together that well?

Obviously Texas High School Football does

I think that really, in all honesty, just shows how gakky the losing team was. If you CONTINUE to get your ass kicked by the 3rd string.......I mean....damn.....just hang it up guys. 3rd string is comprised of idiots and jackoffs that were forced to join the team

Y'know, Im just going to leav this thread. IT is full of words I do no understands

A lot more states are instiuting mercy rules for exactly these situations. I know it exists more often in baseball than other sports, but they're cropping up. The most common for football is the 2nd half running clock, which it appears they did institute here.

 gossipmeng wrote:
Why didn't the losing team's coach just forfeit and save his team from getting destroyed...

He likes pain?

As others have said, it sounds like the coach did everything he could to make things reasonable. Once you've reached that point, kneeling and punting is just adding insult to injury for the other team. It's not like the other team was scoring, you would just be handing them the ball for them to apparently go 3 and out, and give you the ball back, which would probably be even more humiliating for the other team.

I think most people would rather get totally crushed by a competitor taking them somewhat seriously, than crushed by a slightly smaller amount by an opponent that basically taunted them the whole 2nd half.

Beatdowns happen.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Wait a second, Did the team that win bring a cheesy list

Five Riptides on that offense.

91 points is nothing. I went to a public highschool that happened to be in the vincinity of a lot of private schools, including the three major sporting schools in our state. They had scholarships and five year development programs, we had a sign up board and a phys ed teacher who went around pleading with kids to play just so there was enough kids for a starting team.

I was in a team that lost an AFL match 273-1. They went easy on us after half time. As in two of their best players swapped over on to our side, and they still kicked about 90 points to 1 (and it was one of their guys playing for our side who kicked the one point).

In a 50 over a side cricket match the opposition chased our total down in the third over of the game. For the Americans out there, that meant we went out and batted, and had 300 balls to try and score as much as we could. Then they went out and chased it down in their first 18 balls).


It's highschool sport. Whatever. You get pumped, you tell some jokes on the bus ride home while the coach sulks and then you get on with the stuff in your life that actually matters. Calling it bullying and trying to make a fuss about it is bizarre.