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I see this thread getting locked real soon

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

Wow, this makes me embarrassed to be part of a gaming system where the models that you play with are determined solely by your economic status....I almost feel sorry for people like this....almost.

I'm guessing that Gitsmasher is the type of person that kicks a homeless guy for daring to take up space on the sidewalk. lol

Go to Ebay or Amazon and buy one of the old, metal Optimus Prime figures they used to sell. They stand like 14" tall.

 sub-zero wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

Wow, this makes me embarrassed to be part of a gaming system where the models that you play with are determined solely by your economic status....I almost feel sorry for people like this....almost.

If your economic status doesnt allow you to keep up with flurry of codex releases we have seen the past year I ask should you even be playing Warhammer? I'm asking a valid question. If you cant afford to play should you be playing? There are plenty of other things to keep you occupied that are less costly. Lord knows I've walked away from this hobby many times in the past when my economic status changed from various lay offs...etc

Also.

Welcome to the world we live in. Enjoy your stay. I sure as hell am

yup...it's going too get locked

EyeOfDC wrote:
yup...it's going too get locked

Its a good thing I updated my sig.

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 sub-zero wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

Wow, this makes me embarrassed to be part of a gaming system where the models that you play with are determined solely by your economic status....I almost feel sorry for people like this....almost.

If your economic status doesnt allow you to keep up with flurry of codex releases we have seen the past year I ask should you even be playing Warhammer? I'm asking a valid question. If you cant afford to play should you be playing? There are plenty of other things to keep you occupied that are less costly. Lord knows I've walked away from this hobby many times in the past when my economic status changed from various lay offs...etc

Also.

Welcome to the world we live in. Enjoy your stay. I sure as hell am

I'm just going to set you on ignore...

XXXX

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

So your saying you should pay to win? That if you are poor but have talent that you should lose? You dissuade creativity entirely with this statement. Players like you ruin the game and embody the depressingly commercial GW ideals.

XXXX

There are always going to be "those" people that don't like to share "their" hobby with the lower class, It seems strange to me that we as a people look up to the "upper class" for inspiration on how to act, when clearly all they know in the world is how to keep the lower classes under their boot.

 sub-zero wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

So your saying you should pay to win? That if you are poor but have talent that you should lose? You dissuade creativity entirely with this statement. Players like you ruin the game and embody the depressingly commercial GW ideals.

XXXX

There are always going to be "those" people that don't like to share "their" hobby with the lower class, It seems strange to me that we as a people look up to the "upper class" for inspiration on how to act, when clearly all they know in the world is how to keep the lower classes under their boot.

I like to name those types "scum"

XXXX


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Yeah this is getting a lock

XXXX

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 sub-zero wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

Wow, this makes me embarrassed to be part of a gaming system where the models that you play with are determined solely by your economic status....I almost feel sorry for people like this....almost.

If your economic status doesnt allow you to keep up with flurry of codex releases we have seen the past year I ask should you even be playing Warhammer? I'm asking a valid question. If you cant afford to play should you be playing? There are plenty of other things to keep you occupied that are less costly. Lord knows I've walked away from this hobby many times in the past when my economic status changed from various lay offs...etc

Also.

Welcome to the world we live in. Enjoy your stay. I sure as hell am

I'm just going to set you on ignore...

XXXX

I'm not going to ignore you, Gitsmasher. Your wonderfully enlightening posts make me feel like a much better person.

 sub-zero wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

So your saying you should pay to win? That if you are poor but have talent that you should lose? You dissuade creativity entirely with this statement. Players like you ruin the game and embody the depressingly commercial GW ideals.

XXXX

There are always going to be "those" people that don't like to share "their" hobby with the lower class, It seems strange to me that we as a people look up to the "upper class" for inspiration on how to act, when clearly all they know in the world is how to keep the lower classes under their boot.

I never said *not share* I asked if you cant afford to pay for the models should you be playing? How is that elitist? This is a real question that I wish most of the player base would ask themselves. As I honestly believe that some of the players shouldn't be playing. I sometimes wish *these* people would leave the hobby.

And this takes us to the laws of supply and demand. If all these people leave the hobby then GW will see an increase in supply but no demand, and when they realize its because not enough people can afford to play it will force GW to do 1 of 2 things. 1. lower prices, or keep prices the same but give a better value for their hard earned well deserved money(lord knows I would love this) to bring players back. Or 2. go out of business.

Just saying

how about we actually help him find an alternative..

There are other alternatives.
Apparently you can get equally good looking ones made of better materials than Forgeworld with your choice of 3 weapons for $400. It's obviously a recast of Forgeworld stuff but it looks fabulous.
I ordered one a second ago. Should be building it and painting it in a week or so. Don't ask how.
That said. This is still an interesting topic, and I still want a second one.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
There are other alternatives.
Apparently you can get equally good looking ones made of better materials than Forgeworld with your choice of 3 weapons for $400. It's obviously a recast of Forgeworld stuff but it looks fabulous.
I ordered one a second ago. Should be building it and painting it in a week or so. Don't ask how.
That said. This is still an interesting topic, and I still want a second one.

Post some pics for us I always love to see Reavers being assembled/painted.

XXXX

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
There are other alternatives.
Apparently you can get equally good looking ones made of better materials than Forgeworld with your choice of 3 weapons for $400. It's obviously a recast of Forgeworld stuff but it looks fabulous.
I ordered one a second ago. Should be building it and painting it in a week or so. Don't ask how.
That said. This is still an interesting topic, and I still want a second one.

Post some pics for us I always love to see Reavers being assembled/painted.

XXXX

Will do.

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

As someone who owns a Forge World Warhound Titan I completely disagree with this. I would be happy to play my titan against a cardboard cut-out if my opponent wanted to try out their own superheavy. Yeah it would be cool if they bought the real model, but who am I to tell them what to do with their money? As long as it's similar in size and they explain to me the weapon loadout beforehand I would be happy.

Also, I have the money to buy the 'correct' model but don't always want to. Sometimes I don't like the GW one and want to use a FW counts as. Sometimes I fancy kitbashing. I don't think people should have the right to tell others the 'correct' way of playing.

I keep encouraging our Eldar player to take a Wraithknight as a counts as Revenant but he's not a fan of Escalation

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

As someone who owns a Forge World Warhound Titan I completely disagree with this. I would be happy to play my titan against a cardboard cut-out if my opponent wanted to try out their own superheavy. Yeah it would be cool if they bought the real model, but who am I to tell them what to do with their money? As long as it's similar in size and they explain to me the weapon loadout beforehand I would be happy.

Also, I have the money to buy the 'correct' model but don't always want to. Sometimes I don't like the GW one and want to use a FW counts as. Sometimes I fancy kitbashing. I don't think people should have the right to tell others the 'correct' way of playing.

I keep encouraging our Eldar player to take a Wraithknight as a counts as Revenant but he's not a fan of Escalation

You're doing it right!

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

As someone who owns a Forge World Warhound Titan I completely disagree with this. I would be happy to play my titan against a cardboard cut-out if my opponent wanted to try out their own superheavy. Yeah it would be cool if they bought the real model, but who am I to tell them what to do with their money? As long as it's similar in size and they explain to me the weapon loadout beforehand I would be happy.

Also, I have the money to buy the 'correct' model but don't always want to. Sometimes I don't like the GW one and want to use a FW counts as. Sometimes I fancy kitbashing. I don't think people should have the right to tell others the 'correct' way of playing.

I keep encouraging our Eldar player to take a Wraithknight as a counts as Revenant but he's not a fan of Escalation

This. This is what 40k is about.

XXXX

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

If the person is too poor or cheap to afford the model, the question is should they have it? I say no! As there is nothing more insulting to the player base than a person who shows up with a scratch built model, while the other gamer's spent their hard earned money on the REAL model. I find it strange you would rather accept fake knock offs but not a unpainted army of GENUINE WYSIWYG models. I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a reaver. This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns. These are the same people who think they are entitled to GW answering their every beck and call. LOL get real people understand this guys. YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL!

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

As someone who owns a Forge World Warhound Titan I completely disagree with this. I would be happy to play my titan against a cardboard cut-out if my opponent wanted to try out their own superheavy. Yeah it would be cool if they bought the real model, but who am I to tell them what to do with their money? As long as it's similar in size and they explain to me the weapon loadout beforehand I would be happy.

Also, I have the money to buy the 'correct' model but don't always want to. Sometimes I don't like the GW one and want to use a FW counts as. Sometimes I fancy kitbashing. I don't think people should have the right to tell others the 'correct' way of playing.

I keep encouraging our Eldar player to take a Wraithknight as a counts as Revenant but he's not a fan of Escalation

You sir have earned the right to your opinion, unlike the whiners on this thread however.

Also can someone please answer this question?

If you cant afford to pay for the models should you be playing?

Indeed. as long as everyone has fun

Gitsmasher, thank you so much for making my point for me.

You know what would be a cool reaver weapon. massive conversion beamer or blast master

 sub-zero wrote:
Gitsmasher, thank you so much for making my point for me.

And may I ask which point?

EyeOfDC wrote:
how about we actually help him find an alternative..

Speaking of helpfulness, check your PMs.

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 sub-zero wrote:
Gitsmasher, thank you so much for making my point for me.

And may I ask which point?

Absolutely!! " unlike the whiners on this thread however. " This statement embodies the very essence of "elitism". Not only do you insult the us (lower class), but you completely dismiss us as having a valid opinion. That is the point that I was making all along, the fact that we normal human beings are forced to put up with an elitist society made up of privileged people such as yourself, who feel that money is the golden ticket to happiness and everyone else who doesn't meet your financial criteria is simply discounted as nothing more than the dirt that you scrape off of your boot. How's that?

Really...back to this?

EyeOfDC wrote:
Really...back to this?

Sorry, but I can't help it. LOL

Personally I'd have no issue with scratchbuilding, but if someone simply slapped a Gundam with extra weapons down on the table I'd be pretty pissed off. I own a FW Reaver and Warhound; the models require a level of attention I'd never reached before, and yet someone things that a Gundam or a cheap toy bought from the 99p store is a good stand-in. If you don't want to buy the model at least put the effort in to make a half-decent scratchbuild.

 sub-zero wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 sub-zero wrote:
Gitsmasher, thank you so much for making my point for me.

And may I ask which point?

Absolutely!! " unlike the whiners on this thread however. " This statement embodies the very essence of "elitism". Not only do you insult the us (lower class), but you completely dismiss us as having a valid opinion. That is the point that I was making all along, the fact that we normal human beings are forced to put up with an elitist society made up of privileged people such as yourself, who feel that money is the golden ticket to happiness and everyone else who doesn't meet your financial criteria is simply discounted as nothing more than the dirt that you scrape off of your boot. How's that?

I stand by my statement that whiners who can't come to terms with the fact that life isn't fair and that you can't have everything you want all at once, have no "valid opinion".

It seems you skipped over the part where I said I have walked away from this hobby when my economic status changed in the past. Want to know why?

It's because I understand this hobby ant cheap and that my money can be used on more productive things, like food, clothes, bills, and just keeping it in the bank.

If I'm a jerk fine. But I've seen too many good gaming clubs, and stores go out of business because of the whiners in this thread. You show up to play with your knock off cardboard models, play a game then not buy anything. You want lt use the facility for free but don't want to help with upkeep. No I'm not the elitist jerk. You are. At least I buy the correct models from the store and help SPREAD the wealth. Where as you probably stand there play and contribute nothing.