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So what's a really good stand in for a Reaver Titan?
The cost for one on Forgeworld is unbelievable and there's a surprising lack of good Scratch builds on Ebay currently.
If you know a good Scratch build recipe requiring little other than time and patience I'd like that even more.

Plasticard and Talent.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
So what's a really good stand in for a Reaver Titan?
The cost for one on Forgeworld is unbelievable and there's a surprising lack of good Scratch builds on Ebay currently.
If you know a good Scratch build recipe requiring little other than time and patience I'd like that even more.

Go buy a 12' Mechagodzilla figure from Bandai. That should do it.

 Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:
Plasticard and Talent.

Very descriptive.
Is there a guide online or anything?


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Titan Manifactorum has a good looking warlord that's not too horribly costed.
Unfortunately they're on the "building" part of their time routine right now.

Google is your friend. Found this in under 5 min. A link for DIY titans with a few different versions
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2009/04/clash-of-titans.html

And the plans for a Reaver Titan specifically. Although you might have to modify or change them based on how you want it look/materials used.
https://app.box.com/shared/eha70afaud

Just set your scale and good luck!

Silenoz wrote:
Google is your friend. Found this in under 5 min. A link for DIY titans with a few different versions
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2009/04/clash-of-titans.html

And the plans for a Reaver Titan specifically. Although you might have to modify or change them based on how you want it look/materials used.
https://app.box.com/shared/eha70afaud

Just set your scale and good luck!

Found the same file when I expanded my search. Thanks for the links none the less.
What should I use for maximum toughness?

buy a real reaver....

I highly doubt you'll find anything with the size and bulk of a real Reaver for much less than the FW asking price - especially anything that looks half-decent. What loadout are you planning for it? That may impact the selection of viable models.

I think realistically it's either save up a while or build it with plasticard, but you probably won't find templates any better than the ones already posted since it's a very complex model and a lot of the detailing will come down to what you can do with the materials you have. What scratchbuilding experience do you have previously?

I have one, and they are very much worth the cost.

 quickfuze wrote:
buy a real reaver....

It's one of the single most overcosted pieces of plastic I've seen in my life.
I remember when Tyrgons were $20 a piece only 3 years ago. If I do get one I'll wait until we come upon another age like that.


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thisisnotaseriousaccount wrote:
I highly doubt you'll find anything with the size and bulk of a real Reaver for much less than the FW asking price - especially anything that looks half-decent. What loadout are you planning for it? That may impact the selection of viable models.

I think realistically it's either save up a while or build it with plasticard, but you probably won't find templates any better than the ones already posted since it's a very complex model and a lot of the detailing will come down to what you can do with the materials you have. What scratchbuilding experience do you have previously?

A few rather good looking Leman Russes.

 ThePrimordial wrote:
It's one of the single most overcosted pieces of plastic I've seen in my life.
I remember when Tyrgons were $20 a piece only 3 years ago. If I do get one I'll wait until we come upon another age like that.

You're never going to get a cheap Reaver. It's a huge resin model with an amazing level of detail. And the simple fact is you just have to pay a lot of money for big resin models.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
It's one of the single most overcosted pieces of plastic I've seen in my life.
I remember when Tyrgons were $20 a piece only 3 years ago. If I do get one I'll wait until we come upon another age like that.

You're never going to get a cheap Reaver. It's a huge resin model with an amazing level of detail. And the simple fact is you just have to pay a lot of money for big resin models.

I'd also just get the Warhound Titan instead. Sure, the Reaver's cool, but it's exceptionally expensive and simply large. Unless you want to use it as a pretty display, I'd imagine it'd be a to transport and risk being damaged to take it anywhere. I imagine that the warhound would be more manageable than a Reaver for assembly, painting, and transport.

It isn't overcosted, it took 18 months to sculpt, is covered in exquisite detail and represents several kilos of high-quality resin in dozens of components. It's expensive because it's a masterpiece, and right now it just sounds like you went to spam 8 strength D pie plates without having to buy to a titan.

Its expensive because it was not created using modern methods and techniques, but that is another story.

Now having said that....if this is because you want a titan, and think it would bring your apoc games to a whole new level and would rather build than buy one for the challenge of it, then I think his is great...

But if you are trying to spam d weapons....I would not bother.
Reavers are not that durable for experienced players to deal with if they have equal amounts of D weapons (a couple of necron pylons will roast it).

But back to building one....

As far as materials in building one, I would build a frame first, basically a giant armature for the parts.

Then use the plans you have and make the pieces from heavy duty plasticard (or whatever) and mount them.

I will say....there is some logic to getting a warhound instead...my buddy has a reaver and two warhounds, and the warhounds get a lot more table time as there are only so many games he can run the reaver in.

Take a look at one decently painted in person and tell me it's overpriced. The detail on that model is simply amazing.

I own a Thunderhawk and a Chaos Warhound Titan - I keep finding new details on them I never saw before. They are simply incredible models.

Any scratch build you try to do will almost certainly pale in comparison. Especially when you see the amount of time it will take you to create one.

Sorry - but there is no substitute for the real thing.

I don't knw of any good substitues for the Reaver, but you could definitely think about taking one of Dreamforge's Leviathan Crusaders or Mortises as a Warhound. Considering that they both cost less than a third the price of a Warhound, it is worth every penny. Plus it just looks so damn cool.

Even bootleg titans cost a gak ton. Don't expect any good looking replacement to be both cheap and easy. You can probably do one or the other if you have the money or the talent.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
Even bootleg titans cost a gak ton. Don't expect any good looking replacement to be both cheap and easy. You can probably do one or the other if you have the money or the talent.

Counts-as Warhound, 110 bucks at full price. Not exactly a ton for a nearly ten inch tall plastic model.

MIni MIehm wrote:
I don't knw of any good substitues for the Reaver, but you could definitely think about taking one of Dreamforge's Leviathan Crusaders or Mortises as a Warhound. Considering that they both cost less than a third the price of a Warhound, it is worth every penny. Plus it just looks so damn cool.

Too bad they don't actually look anything like a Warhound and therefore aren't an appropriate counts-as model.


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 cvtuttle wrote:
Any scratch build you try to do will almost certainly pale in comparison. Especially when you see the amount of time it will take you to create one.

This. If you scratchbuild your own titan you're either going to be spending months/years working on it (and time is money), or you're going to end up with a poorly detailed "model" that is little more than a roughly titan-shaped pile of scrap plastic.

Do you know anyone with a small, well-trained child you can borrow?

 Peregrine wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
I don't knw of any good substitues for the Reaver, but you could definitely think about taking one of Dreamforge's Leviathan Crusaders or Mortises as a Warhound. Considering that they both cost less than a third the price of a Warhound, it is worth every penny. Plus it just looks so damn cool.

Too bad they don't actually look anything like a Warhound and therefore aren't an appropriate counts-as model.


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 cvtuttle wrote:
Any scratch build you try to do will almost certainly pale in comparison. Especially when you see the amount of time it will take you to create one.

This. If you scratchbuild your own titan you're either going to be spending months/years working on it (and time is money), or you're going to end up with a poorly detailed "model" that is little more than a roughly titan-shaped pile of scrap plastic.

As long as it looks cool and stands to the right size, I would allow it. Especially if you can give me some decent fluff for why it looks like that. I'm planning on doing it, and I'm kitbashing a big honking T-35 into a counts-as Baneblade, because I'm more worried about the model looking cool and being roughly the right size than I am about buying someone's Battledog Colossus war mech because it looks so much like a Warhound.

The death it causes is more satisfying if caused by a real..reaver..#chaostraitorlyf.

The guy at my FLGS uses Gundams. He has some Bandai snap together kits he really loves and they are just about the same size. The Zakus almost work well for this purpose, he has the arms / fists magnetized and and they would look good if the plastic wasn't so shiny.

Anti shine varnish?

EyeOfDC wrote:
The death it causes is more satisfying if caused by a real..reaver..#chaostraitorlyf.

This man, and cvtuttle + Peregrin have it right. If you want to play Apocalypse stuff, get the right model.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
It's one of the single most overcosted pieces of plastic I've seen in my life.
I remember when Tyrgons were $20 a piece only 3 years ago. If I do get one I'll wait until we come upon another age like that.

You're never going to get a cheap Reaver. It's a huge resin model with an amazing level of detail. And the simple fact is you just have to pay a lot of money for big resin models.

I have to agree, titans should be models you invested tons of effort and money in.

A guy here used printed art of titan stuck to cardboard .

 kronk wrote:

EyeOfDC wrote:
The death it causes is more satisfying if caused by a real..reaver..#chaostraitorlyf.

This man, and cvtuttle + Peregrin have it right. If you want to play Apocalypse stuff, get the right model.

I would have to disagree with the lot of you. I plan on purchsing a Leviathan Mortis in the near future, painting it up in my Chaos black legion colors, and fielding it as a Chaos warhound titan. If Peregrin or anyone else has a problem with it, they just won't have the pleasure of gaming with an incredibly detailed and beautifully painted model...their loss.

I have no problem with "counts as" models, so long as the size is "comparable", it's painted and based correctly, the weapons are identified in detail prior to the game, and you have the current rules on hand for reference. Anything beyond that would be asking too much of an opponent and taking an "elitist" attitude toward a game meant to be played for fun.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
It's one of the single most overcosted pieces of plastic I've seen in my life.
I remember when Tyrgons were $20 a piece only 3 years ago. If I do get one I'll wait until we come upon another age like that.

You're never going to get a cheap Reaver. It's a huge resin model with an amazing level of detail. And the simple fact is you just have to pay a lot of money for big resin models.

I'd also just get the Warhound Titan instead. Sure, the Reaver's cool, but it's exceptionally expensive and simply large. Unless you want to use it as a pretty display, I'd imagine it'd be a to transport and risk being damaged to take it anywhere. I imagine that the warhound would be more manageable than a Reaver for assembly, painting, and transport.

Warhounds also happen to be ludicrously easy to scratch build.

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 kronk wrote:

EyeOfDC wrote:
The death it causes is more satisfying if caused by a real..reaver..#chaostraitorlyf.

This man, and cvtuttle + Peregrin have it right. If you want to play Apocalypse stuff, get the right model.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Apocalypse should be the game type where you are encouraged to create your own models and rules. That opinion belongs in Escalation.

Not everyone can either afford, or may choose not to spend the money on an extreme purchase as this.

I have a silly amount put into this hobby, but I have no problem if someone puts effort into it - is better than the guy who tried to by his way into a good army, but never paints it.

But back to the OP:

Sadly, these things take much more than time and patience...they take quite a bit of skill.

I would suggest trying a lot of simpler scratchbuild projects first - maybe some bunkers, a landing pad, or a bastion.
See how well you can work with the materials, and the techniques.

(go to google, type in scratch built bastion, read and read some more).

I have built a lot of stuff (mostly terrain, but a few custom models) and have to say that I would not suggest a titan as a first project.