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GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
By better quality I meant the type of resin used, and it's qualities.

What type of resin have they used then? I very much doubt that it is better quality and the cost was so significantly less.

XXXX

Forgeworld overcharges by quite a bit friend.
How much does 6 pounds of resin cost?
Certainly not $800+.
And by quite a bit I mean anywhere from 4-5 times the cost of production.

And yet that is not how things are costed. You don't cost a painting according to the worth of the material it is composed of. It's a small factor but its the actual process by which it was designed and made which warrants the cost.

I wouldn't compare the FW Reaver titan to a painting.


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 Ouze wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Forgeworld overcharges by quite a bit friend.
How much does 6 pounds of resin cost?
Certainly not $800+..

That's like saying that every restaurant in the world overcharges for every meal that costs more than the base components do at the supermarket.

I've been at a choice few Mexican restaurants where it's basically the same.

Please note that DakkaDakka does not support or allow IP violations such as recasting.

Posts asking for advice on such are liable to attract moderator action.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
By better quality I meant the type of resin used, and it's qualities.

What type of resin have they used then? I very much doubt that it is better quality and the cost was so significantly less.

XXXX

Forgeworld overcharges by quite a bit friend.
How much does 6 pounds of resin cost?
Certainly not $800+.
And by quite a bit I mean anywhere from 4-5 times the cost of production.

And yet that is not how things are costed. You don't cost a painting according to the worth of the material it is composed of. It's a small factor but its the actual process by which it was designed and made which warrants the cost.

I wouldn't compare the FW Reaver titan to a painting.


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 Ouze wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Forgeworld overcharges by quite a bit friend.
How much does 6 pounds of resin cost?
Certainly not $800+..

That's like saying that every restaurant in the world overcharges for every meal that costs more than the base components do at the supermarket.

I've been at a choice few Mexican restaurants where it's basically the same.

We shall find out when you receive it in the mail (Also, Told you guys the mods would home in on said hatin')

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
By better quality I meant the type of resin used, and it's qualities.

What type of resin have they used then? I very much doubt that it is better quality and the cost was so significantly less.

XXXX

Forgeworld overcharges by quite a bit friend.
How much does 6 pounds of resin cost?
Certainly not $800+.
And by quite a bit I mean anywhere from 4-5 times the cost of production.

And yet that is not how things are costed. You don't cost a painting according to the worth of the material it is composed of. It's a small factor but its the actual process by which it was designed and made which warrants the cost.

I wouldn't compare the FW Reaver titan to a painting.


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 Ouze wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Forgeworld overcharges by quite a bit friend.
How much does 6 pounds of resin cost?
Certainly not $800+..

That's like saying that every restaurant in the world overcharges for every meal that costs more than the base components do at the supermarket.

I've been at a choice few Mexican restaurants where it's basically the same.

Hey man if a tangent helps the opposing argument, tear it apart.


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EyeOfDC wrote:
We shall find out when you receive it in the mail (Also, Told you guys the mods would home in on said hatin')

I'll make sure to post lots of pictures.

MOD: DakkaDakka does not condone recasting or any forms of intellectual property abuse.

If it is not real, or an absolutely awesome scratch built, I would absolutely not play against it.

You are not going to destroy my models with garbage, or a 3rd party Gundam on the table.

They are tough to obtain\build for a reason.

What about scratch built models that don't have official miniatures

EyeOfDC wrote:
What about scratch built models that don't have official miniatures

That would fall into the "absolutely awesome scratchbuild" category.

Like those scratchbuilds by MPG on ebay. (sorry if I can't mention that here)

Aftermath. wrote:
If it is not real, or an absolutely awesome scratch built, I would absolutely not play against it.

You are not going to destroy my models with garbage, or a 3rd party Gundam on the table.

They are tough to obtain\build for a reason.

That's a pretty awful attitude. I can understand, maybe, not liking a Gundam being tossed on the table, but if I take the time to scratchbuild a Warhound or Reaver(I won't, I really do think the DreamForge Leviathans look cool as hell), I think that if I've done even a halfway decent job it's worth putting on the table.

They are tough to obtain/build because GW and FW overcharge so much it's not even funny. I'm buying a model of a Russian T-35 tank to use as a counts-as Baneblade at some point. It's nearly the exact same size as the Baneblade(possibly a bit larger, I think it sits up a bit higher), and is cast in plastic, just like the Baneblade. And when the model was last offered for sale, it cost about $35. So, two models, essentially the same size, from the same material, and yet one costs four times as much as the other? There's no excuse. The Baneblade has more than paid its sculptors by now. So have the Warhound and Reaver, and yet the prices are still obscenely high for them. What other excuse is there, barring bald faced greed?

MIni MIehm wrote:
So have the Warhound and Reaver, and yet the prices are still obscenely high for them. What other excuse is there, barring bald faced greed?

The same thing that sets the price for everything else in a free market: people pay it.

but they are undoubtedly cool models.

 Ouze wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
So have the Warhound and Reaver, and yet the prices are still obscenely high for them. What other excuse is there, barring bald faced greed?

The same thing that sets the price for everything else in a free market: people pay it.

Some people. A better attitude to take with GW is, rather than saying "Why are you bitching about the price?" as some people are wont to do, is to not buy their product. No matter whether you can afford it or not, by supporting GW, you're actually harming people who enjoy playing the game, but can't afford the ruinous prices that GW likes to charge. By doing this, GW prices people out of the hobby, which is a net negative for everyone. Less players means less games, less games means eventually less sales, and less sales eventually means either price drops or bankruptcy. By the time you get to price drops, you've so thoroughly poisoned the well, that you're unlikely to be able to cut prices enough to get people to buy back in.

Just my take on things.

Also, "People are willing to pay it." is not a reason for charging a certain price. It's a reason for not dropping a price, but to the best of my ability to discern, GW is playing a game of "How High Can We Go" with their prices, which is a matter of short sighted greed, plain and simple.

and the only reason we pay it s because they're such good miniatures

EyeOfDC wrote:
and the only reason we pay it s because they're such good miniatures

They're adequate miniatures. They're certainly not the best on the planet, though Forgeworld models are certainly head and shoulders above the regular crapcast. GW miniatures certainly aren't worth the price per model they charge.

MIni MIehm wrote:
Also, "People are willing to pay it." is not a reason for charging a certain price. It's a reason for not dropping a price, but to the best of my ability to discern, GW is playing a game of "How High Can We Go" with their prices, which is a matter of short sighted greed, plain and simple.

This is the method by which every single product in a free market is priced. If indeed Games Workshop is super overpriced, then this is a prime opportunity for cheaper and better third party models. If there really is a problem, it will correct itself.

MIni MIehm wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
So have the Warhound and Reaver, and yet the prices are still obscenely high for them. What other excuse is there, barring bald faced greed?

The same thing that sets the price for everything else in a free market: people pay it.

Some people. A better attitude to take with GW is, rather than saying "Why are you bitching about the price?" as some people are wont to do, is to not buy their product. No matter whether you can afford it or not, by supporting GW, you're actually harming people who enjoy playing the game, but can't afford the ruinous prices that GW likes to charge. By doing this, GW prices people out of the hobby, which is a net negative for everyone. Less players means less games, less games means eventually less sales, and less sales eventually means either price drops or bankruptcy. By the time you get to price drops, you've so thoroughly poisoned the well, that you're unlikely to be able to cut prices enough to get people to buy back in.

Just my take on things.

Also, "People are willing to pay it." is not a reason for charging a certain price. It's a reason for not dropping a price, but to the best of my ability to discern, GW is playing a game of "How High Can We Go" with their prices, which is a matter of short sighted greed, plain and simple.

Cannot exalt this enough. GW's simply putting themselves at risk for a new company to rise up with economically priced miniatures (maybe even using 3D printers to their advantage) within ten to twenty years and dethrone them, becoming the new king of miniatures. GW's made the market, and if they don't shape up, someone else will make the product.

 Gitsmasher wrote:


If you cant afford to pay for the models should you be playing?

Yes, one who hasn't got the money can always use proxies.

Anyway OP maybe you can find the old Armorcast version cheap
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/warhammer-40000-armorcast-reaver-titan-/291031498199

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Yes, one who hasn't got the money can always use proxies.

Or you could just accept that your army won't have a Reaver titan. I can't afford one either, but I'm not going to put a pile of random cardboard boxes on the table and call it a titan just so I can get the D-weapons.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Yes, one who hasn't got the money can always use proxies.

Or you could just accept that your army won't have a Reaver titan. I can't afford one either, but I'm not going to put a pile of random cardboard boxes on the table and call it a titan just so I can get the D-weapons.

No one i know has ever purchased a Titan for the d-weapons. They just got them for the kick of having such an epic model. But if i where to use one i would definitely let my opponent use a cardboard box. A titan isnt cool unless there is another titan to crush.

No one I know got any FW models for "epic models" , but for the better rules the said models brought. After escalation made eldar titans legal more then a few people ordered them . Not from GW , but after painting it is impossible to prove that your titan is not a FW one.

 Swastakowey wrote:
No one i know has ever purchased a Titan for the d-weapons. They just got them for the kick of having such an epic model. But if i where to use one i would definitely let my opponent use a cardboard box. A titan isnt cool unless there is another titan to crush.

So if it's all about the cool model then why would you want to play with a cardboard proxy? That isn't a cool model, it's just an ugly box that has titan rules attached to it.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
No one i know has ever purchased a Titan for the d-weapons. They just got them for the kick of having such an epic model. But if i where to use one i would definitely let my opponent use a cardboard box. A titan isnt cool unless there is another titan to crush.

So if it's all about the cool model then why would you want to play with a cardboard proxy? That isn't a cool model, it's just an ugly box that has titan rules attached to it.

Who cares what the other person has. My model is still awesome and i have an imagination. Besides its no fun when i use mine and there arent any others to fight.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
No one i know has ever purchased a Titan for the d-weapons. They just got them for the kick of having such an epic model. But if i where to use one i would definitely let my opponent use a cardboard box. A titan isnt cool unless there is another titan to crush.

So if it's all about the cool model then why would you want to play with a cardboard proxy? That isn't a cool model, it's just an ugly box that has titan rules attached to it.

Well, if I may comment here, I'm using the Leviathan Mortis as a "proxy" for a Chaos warhound titan. It is certainly not made of cardboard, and it's not sold by GW or their other company Forge World. I, as well as quite a few other people think that it's a really cool model, should I be "allowed" to play it?

I'll plan anything my reaver can (or cannot) blow holes in


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MIni MIehm wrote:
Some people. A better attitude to take with GW is, rather than saying "Why are you bitching about the price?" as some people are wont to do, is to not buy their product. No matter whether you can afford it or not, by supporting GW, you're actually harming people who enjoy playing the game, but can't afford the ruinous prices that GW likes to charge. By doing this, GW prices people out of the hobby, which is a net negative for everyone. Less players means less games, less games means eventually less sales, and less sales eventually means either price drops or bankruptcy. By the time you get to price drops, you've so thoroughly poisoned the well, that you're unlikely to be able to cut prices enough to get people to buy back in.

Just my take on things.

Also, "People are willing to pay it." is not a reason for charging a certain price. It's a reason for not dropping a price, but to the best of my ability to discern, GW is playing a game of "How High Can We Go" with their prices, which is a matter of short sighted greed, plain and simple.

So because some people want a titan and can afford it, they shouldn't buy it and shouldn't be allowed to have one just because other whiny people can't afford it?

That's not how free will or a free market works.

It's not like Forge World has been price hiking titans, not that I know of. They were always extremely expensive.

 Gitsmasher wrote:
This is the main reason I'm anti-scratch build, as all scrach builders are is people who want the best guns with none of the cost associated with having the best guns.

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

That git who built that scratchbuilt zapp gun in his army because he wanted variety in his army is a horrible person who just wants strength 2d6!All he wants is the biggest guns for...wait a second.And as for that ***hole who scratchbuilt a power klaw...

Titans have never gone up i don't believe. But are worth the price if you look at one.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Yes, one who hasn't got the money can always use proxies.

Or you could just accept that your army won't have a Reaver titan. I can't afford one either, but I'm not going to put a pile of random cardboard boxes on the table and call it a titan just so I can get the D-weapons.

Or you could accept that there are players that like the game and are more lenient, instead of atacking every form of deviation from GW correctness.
It is about having fun with the game not some elitist notion that only those who can afford everything are only allowed to play.
If someone would use a large japanese robot model to proxy as a \reaver titan, i wouldn"t mind.