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 LordofHats wrote:

How to get a job with a Liberal Arts degree!

I honestly think most schools need an "Applying for a job with your college degree" class period or at least a job interviewing course. Nothing huge maybe just two credit hours. A lot of applying for a job is really in the interview.

I agree but I think it would need to be market specific. I can say as an engineer that the career center from my college was all business majors who had no idea how to talk to people in my field and their resume advice was completely wrong.

Agreed. Both colleges I went to had a career center, but the people running it seemed either markedly out of date with the market, or focused heavily on things that didn't really matter.

I don't think employers give a damn how my resume is formated so long as its neat, ordered, legible, and accurate. Spending two hours with me formating my resume (to exacting specifications) is not helpful at all. Telling me how to spin what I know to be applicable to an employer would have been much more useful but I needed to learn that the hard way and a little late for some better job opporunities that got missed.

 LordofHats wrote:
Agreed. Both colleges I went to had a career center, but the people running it seemed either markedly out of date with the market, or focused heavily on things that didn't really matter.

I don't think employers give a damn how my resume is formated so long as its neat, ordered, legible, and accurate. Spending two hours with me formating my resume (to exacting specifications) is not helpful at all. Telling me how to spin what I know to be applicable to an employer would have been much more useful but I needed to learn that the hard way and a little late for some better job opporunities that got missed.

No gak.

When I was a hiring manager, I saw resumes written in many different formats. I didn't care at all. NO ONE cared then or cares now. What we cared about is: to the point, what is your education, what experience do you have that is pertinent to the open job (absolutely the most important), and are there any misspellings or gakky grammar (can be a deal breaker).

While I agree with you, it has been my experience that if your resume does not have the right keywords HR just kicks you out.

For instance, I had a my resume rejected because I had put down "AutoCAD" as a program I knew. However the HR person/computer program that reviewed it rejected it because it was not "AutoCAD Civil3d"

Unfortunately with online applications that kind of gak happens. What is needed in addition to interviewing skills is a course in networking. How to make cold calls, talking with other professionals and so for. Networking is the single best way to get a job. It really is all about who you know more than what you can do.

That's what I mean by spin though. How its formatted doesn't matter. What it says does and what it says should be geared to what you're trying to do and who you're trying to impress. That was never mentioned by the people who came to give us advice about getting jobs senior year. They just went on and on about indentation.

And yeah. Networking is one of the most important aspects of getting a job (not that that was covered either).

 FirePainter wrote:
While I agree with you, it has been my experience that if your resume does not have the right keywords HR just kicks you out.

For instance, I had a my resume rejected because I had put down "AutoCAD" as a program I knew. However the HR person/computer program that reviewed it rejected it because it was not "AutoCAD Civil3d"

Unfortunately with online applications that kind of gak happens. What is needed in addition to interviewing skills is a course in networking. How to make cold calls, talking with other professionals and so for. Networking is the single best way to get a job. It really is all about who you know more than what you can do.

I've often wondered how much good those screening programs actually do, as every story I hear about them is like this.

 Ahtman wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
While I agree with you, it has been my experience that if your resume does not have the right keywords HR just kicks you out.

For instance, I had a my resume rejected because I had put down "AutoCAD" as a program I knew. However the HR person/computer program that reviewed it rejected it because it was not "AutoCAD Civil3d"

Unfortunately with online applications that kind of gak happens. What is needed in addition to interviewing skills is a course in networking. How to make cold calls, talking with other professionals and so for. Networking is the single best way to get a job. It really is all about who you know more than what you can do.

I've often wondered how much good those screening programs actually do, as every story I hear about them is like this.

I personally think that they are horse gak. But I am slightly bitter and jaded about it and do the majority of my job searching now through cold calls and networking rather than just sending out applications.

 kronk wrote:

When I was a hiring manager, I saw resumes written in many different formats. I didn't care at all. NO ONE cared then or cares now. What we cared about is: to the point, what is your education, what experience do you have that is pertinent to the open job (absolutely the most important), and are there any misspellings or gakky grammar (can be a deal breaker).

Sometimes I wonder if me not being able to find a job is because the HR employee looking at my resume has no idea what to make of C++, C#, Python, Ubuntu, or Knoppix.

 kronk wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Agreed. Both colleges I went to had a career center, but the people running it seemed either markedly out of date with the market, or focused heavily on things that didn't really matter.

I don't think employers give a damn how my resume is formated so long as its neat, ordered, legible, and accurate. Spending two hours with me formating my resume (to exacting specifications) is not helpful at all. Telling me how to spin what I know to be applicable to an employer would have been much more useful but I needed to learn that the hard way and a little late for some better job opporunities that got missed.

No gak.

When I was a hiring manager, I saw resumes written in many different formats. I didn't care at all. NO ONE cared then or cares now. What we cared about is: to the point, what is your education, what experience do you have that is pertinent to the open job (absolutely the most important), and are there any misspellings or gakky grammar (can be a deal breaker).

I remember someone once told me to print my Resume Pink and Spray perfume on it.....I mean really? That is going to get me a job?

But in all seriousness, these seem like electives and not intensive classes. IF you are a full time student like me, it is typically 4 classes that go like this. 1 intensive, difficult class that takes up your time(Typically your major or Math or a difficult science) 2 less intensive classes that still require studying, but less of it(Maybe every couple of weeks of intense studying. 1 not easy but not intensive, You show up take notes, read over them a bit before class test, not a whole lot outside, you may never even open a book. These seem like the last kind.
Then you have classes for the begginners to take, Ones that that your get acclimated to collage, where you learn the in and outs of how to game the system, how to game the teachers and manipulate them.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
remember someone once told me to print my Resume Pink and Spray perfume on it.....I mean really? That is going to get me a job?

But in all seriousness, these seem like electives and not intensive classes. IF you are a full time student like me, it is typically 4 classes that go like this. 1 intensive, difficult class that takes up your time(Typically your major or Math or a difficult science) 2 less intensive classes that still require studying, but less of it(Maybe every couple of weeks of intense studying. 1 not easy but not intensive, You show up take notes, read over them a bit before class test, not a whole lot outside, you may never even open a book. These seem like the last kind.
Then you have classes for the begginners to take, Ones that that your get acclimated to collage, where you learn the in and outs of how to game the system, how to game the teachers and manipulate them.

You had a very different class experience than me in college. My courses were 4 that required intensie studying and 1 sluff course

Well, its not like I still dont do work for all my classes. Its more like one class is extrmely difficult, two are difficult but manageable and one is just easy

All I can think of at this time is having a technical degree at time is is better then an ordinary degree.

I had 4 years of Chemical Engineering. My only "easy" quarter was my last quarter, where I got my last 3 classes for graduating: Electrical Engineer (3rd in a series, but I don't recall the EE#. I fething hate circuits!), Political Science, and my last Chemical Engineering elective on Process Design (ChE400+, don't recall #).

 kronk wrote:
I had 4 years of Chemical Engineering. My only "easy" quarter was my last quarter, where I got my last 3 classes for graduating: Electrical Engineer (3rd in a series, but I don't recall the EE#. I fething hate circuits!), Political Science, and my last Chemical Engineering elective on Process Design (ChE400+, don't recall #).

Outside of graduate programs, Engineering is supposed to be the most time intensive major.

I find it amazing with electrical engineering degree that at one point in their life. They had a brain fart...and touch two nodes

I agree Kronk. 4 years of civil engineering without a dull moment or lack of things needing to be done.



Also I fething hate circuit as well

 Ahtman wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I had 4 years of Chemical Engineering. My only "easy" quarter was my last quarter, where I got my last 3 classes for graduating: Electrical Engineer (3rd in a series, but I don't recall the EE#. I fething hate circuits!), Political Science, and my last Chemical Engineering elective on Process Design (ChE400+, don't recall #).

Outside of graduate programs, Engineering is supposed to be the most time intensive major.

Including labs, my first year engineering timetable was horrific. I had a friend doing dentistry who had a lighter timetable.

It didn't help that I did biomedical engineering which was lectures from every kind of engineering except civil and aero, plus loads of biology and chemistry and stuff... I was running around all over the bloody place

Though I have found postgraduate engineering courses are a lot easier.

Though I too hate electronics

 Ahtman wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I had 4 years of Chemical Engineering. My only "easy" quarter was my last quarter, where I got my last 3 classes for graduating: Electrical Engineer (3rd in a series, but I don't recall the EE#. I fething hate circuits!), Political Science, and my last Chemical Engineering elective on Process Design (ChE400+, don't recall #).

Outside of graduate programs, Engineering is supposed to be the most time intensive major.

I'm vindicated, yay!

Future engineers, be warned! While in school, you'll have less time to touch boobies than other majors.

A survey of Frazzled's class

101: Care and Maintenance of Pointy Sticks
102: Use of Pointy Sticks
201: Use of Pointy Sticks II
202: Pointy Stick Accounting
203: Rocks: Bane of the Pointy Stick
301: Pointy Stick Inventory Management
302: Running from Predators When Miss with Pointy Sticks
303: Sharper Pointy sticks
401: You and Your Spear, the philosophy of Pointy Sticks
402: Fire and other Fads

Throwing Pointy Sticks: Postgraduate work

But Frazzled, where did you take classes for your PhD in Wiener Dog Culture and History?

Oscar-Meyer Tech.

Maybe my experiance is different because im studying sociology(which sadly im not doing well on, my brain for some reason seems to fart when I take a test this semester) and im in community collage

Majored in OFO. Now working on Master

 curran12 wrote:
But Frazzled, where did you take classes for your PhD in Wiener Dog Culture and History?

Wienerdog U. Guess what their mascot was...

A cat?

 Jihadin wrote:
Majored in OFO. Now working on Master

One Finger Oscillation?

Ahtman.....

OFO is

Same thing.

Kronk.we're suppose to be in class..and your giving me a one finger salute..and I'm kicked back with a beer. which you rather be...beer drinking..or having someone else giving you the International Sign of Peace...its not the same thing

Oh. Can't you flip people off while drinking? Seems like a good combination.