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Veteran of The Long War wrote: Annoying fluff misconception: People thinking Chaos lost the 13th Black Crusade. We won it fair and square and handed the Imperials' their @$$es and how people could be so childish as to make up a different ending, put it on 40K wiki and get the article locked and then cite it as fact astonishes me.
If by won you actually men barely established a foothold at the cost of your entire navy, then yeah, chaos won that.
Considering that this seems to be still be using the false data...
Funky Alliances actually have existed.
GK have helped Eldar, there are Dark Eldar cults that actually summon daemons, there are Tau Caste that use Orks as Mercenaries..
Veteran of The Long War wrote: Annoying fluff misconception: People thinking Chaos lost the 13th Black Crusade. We won it fair and square and handed the Imperials' their @$$es and how people could be so childish as to make up a different ending, put it on 40K wiki and get the article locked and then cite it as fact astonishes me.
6th Edition change it anyway: now abaddon's goals are different and make him seem like less of a completely idiotic donkey cave smashing his head against the wall multiple times
Besides Lexicanum is better source than 40K Wikia
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
Co'tor Shas, due to broken quote I though you were arguing that T'au Sept and Fire Caste were the same.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia
Abdaddon has no arms and is a failure. Probably the most annoying meme in W40K fandom that has been so warped a lot of people don't even know why it started in the first place.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
Psienesis wrote: Ork weapons work just fine if you pick it up and squeeze the trigger, assuming there's a round in the chamber. The AdMech believes that these weapons cannot possibly function normally, thus requiring Xeno magic, as they don't match human design specs.
I remember reading a passage stating that the trigger mechanism of a recovered Ork gun was not actually attached to anything, even though it was observed to fire.
DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote: - Dark Eldar can become monstrous psychic warriors, like normal eldar, but they'd become exiled from commoragh most likely. So they aren't really dark eldar anymore.
- Necron Pariahs still exist - mat ward didn't have enough resources at his disposal to include them in the new codex.
XD
They can become monstrous psychic warriors, it's just that they'd be drunk by She Who Thirsts because using psychic powers marks you out
Right. So thats why they gotta figure out how to circumvent that little set back. The normal Eldar have their ways of protection from she who thirsts. Now the DE gotta think up something cool.
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Explode unto thy betrayers - ruin all their materials, dethrone and desecrate their persona, crush and manipulate their force, squeeze and torture their ideals to redirect their goals so as to dominate their souls, extract and perfect their fear so as to mitigate their strength and amplify their weakness.
Cut out the sickness, then imprison the wardens. Sing the song blood red and true. Create their destruction.
All for the hunt to dominate.
Orks are all psychically active at a low level means that if an ork believes something works, it does.
No. Just no.
Even if the premise is determined to be true in-game, the presence of low-level psychic activity in all orks does not imbue each and every ork with the ability to totally bypass physics, nor does it indicate that orks can simply choose to believe in something and make it work.
It's well established that all orks have some niggling level of psychic ability. That alone means that individual orkish belief isn't enough to 'empower' a device to ignore the laws of physics. One ork doesn't generate much psychic energy. They have a low-level of psychic power. They aren't Eldar.
On top of that, even if orks do psychically manifest by empowering items to bypass the laws of physics, that doesn't follow that orks can simply 'choose' to believe something so that it happens. Belief is a pretty complicated state of affairs, and humans (and, presumably orks) can't just turn it on at will. Given that orks believe 'red wunz go fasta', and red vehicles do move faster for orks, doesn't indicate that orks painted their vehicles red, then decided to believe that make them faster.
Presumably, this arose from a more complicated state of affairs. Perhaps the Evil Suns, who tend to like red colors, and who have a love of speed and a lot of meks, painted a lot of vehicles red. These vehicles might have been faster because they were driven by orks with an affinity for speed, or orks who chose to spend a lot of teef on making a fast vehicle. Then, after orks observed many Evil Suns vehicles (which both tended to be red, and tended to be fast), a widespread belief in 'red=fast' arose in the ork psychology.
It just makes me ill when some glib nitwit spouts some random, stupid idea and justifies it with "Well, if the orks believe it, then it actually happens, because psychics."
Spoiler:
For a counter-example, here's my fluff idea for targeter squigs (as found on the Freebooter-looking Flash Git GW sells):
Targeter squigs are rotund, monocular, near-sighted squigs. They are reluctant to move, and prefer to sit immobile and wait for prey. When approached by a potential predator, the targeter squig emits a loud, piercing chirp, sounding much like an electronic ping or beep. If the predator continues to approach the squig, the targeter squig will continue to emit this unpleasant beeping, increasing in volume and frequency. If the predator approaches too closely to the squig, it will often vomit the contents of its stomach at the predator, void its bowels in the direction of the predator, or leap away awkwardly (and sometimes, all three).
Now, if an ork picks up a targeter squig, he's got a little pet that will sit on his shoulder. It's nearsighted, and has trouble with depth perception. If the ork is moving around, the squig will sometimes see something that alarms it, and emit a little panicked 'ping'. However, if the ork continues to move around, the squig might lose focus on the threat, and settle down, or see something else threatening. On the other hand, if the ork can muster up some concentration and stand fairly still, the targeter squig will focus on the prey and see it approaching. It will continue to ping and ping as the prey approaches. Ultimately, the squig will be emitting a panicked trill, if the enemy is fairly close. At this point, the ork knows that he had better shoot the enemy, or his pet will throw up or poop all over the place, so he shoots. As a result of standing still, the ork is actually in the best possible firing position (at least, for an ork), as he isn't running around, waving his arms, or generally being a boisterous ork.
So, even though the targeter squig doesn't actually 'target' the enemy, the behaviors that accompany the squig do benefit the ork's aim. As orks observe other orks using targeter squigs and being more accurate (for entirely the wrong reasons), a communal belief in the efficacy of targeter squigs arises in the orkish mind, to the extent that even in situations where the targeter squig should be of little help, an ork with one is measurably more accurate than one without.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
- Orks definitely have some influence on the things around them just by believing certain things. As far as I've seen it's just a theory, not a confirmed thing.
- Ethereal mind control is confirmed. I know there is one quote in the new Tau codex in regards to Aun'va which implies it, but it is not outright stated and there are other explanations for that quote. I may be wrong on this though as i don't actually have the latest codex.
Spoiler:
Co'tor Shas wrote: I thought it would be interesting we we all shared common fluff misconceptions that we see.
I'l start
This is not the symbol of the tau empire
That is the symbol of the
T fire caste.. It irritates me to no end when people get that wrong.
It is also the Symbol for the T'au sept, so it is the symbol for the Tau empire as well.
Tau codex, page 11. under T'au. I'l even add a pic for your convenience.
Spoiler:
See, I told you it's a common misconception . If you look at page 7 you'll see the caste symbols.
Either that's the incorrect symbol, or it's been changed. In the previous Tau Codex and the one before that the symbol for T'au was the same as the Fire Caste symbol. It's still the symbol for the Tau Empire unless somewhere says it's not, though. The previous Tau Codex says the symbol on the Firewarrior shoulderpad is the symbol used to represent the Tau empire and that's why it's on the shoulder of each Fire Warrior.
The C'tan gave the necrons their tech.
They didn't; the necrons were always technologically advanced. What the C'tan did do is teach them how to move their minds (or souls) to a mechanical body in such a way that their personalities are still intact (mostly intact, anyway).
What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
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Wyzilla wrote: Abdaddon has no arms and is a failure. Probably the most annoying meme in W40K fandom that has been so warped a lot of people don't even know why it started in the first place.
My guess would be he's failed so many times people thing he's harmles. Someone miss-overheard the disscussion and believed they where saying he was armless. The person went away and went on the net, and thus the chinese whispers began.
Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
Wyzilla wrote: Abdaddon has no arms and is a failure. Probably the most annoying meme in W40K fandom that has been so warped a lot of people don't even know why it started in the first place.
My guess would be he's failed so many times people thing he's harmles. Someone miss-overheard the disscussion and believed they where saying he was armless. The person went away and went on the net, and thus the chinese whispers began.
Nah, it's 'cos the arms on his model were a bitch to glue in place because he was metal they too heavy. The arms kept falling off you see.
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The one I encounter the most often is that In the 41st millennium, all chaos forces fight in small warbands made up of CSMs from all different legions and cults. While that is what's on the tabletop, it's simply not true. Word Bearers are still a legion and fight as one. Iron Warriors are still a legion but fight in chapter sized units. Black Legion is still a Legion. The only legions that are truly And irrevocably shattered are the World Eaters and Emperors Children and possibly Night Lords. However, a small band of World Eaters will still fight as World Eaters. A Death Guard contingent will still fight ad Death Guard. Legions still exist. Marines from those legions still fight in the manner of their parent legions and primarchs.
While they are singing "what a friend we have in the greater good", we are bringing the pain!
That there is such a thing as a consistent narrative or a concept of canon rather than the actual state of being where any interpretation is as valid as any other.
Or that 40k deserves to be taken seriously as a narrative rather than an over the top parody that has lost sight of what it actually is.
40k is heavy metal covers blended with every aspect of science fiction and much of fantasy up until the 80s thrown into a blender.
What it is not is a serious work of fiction, much less art. It's silly on a fundamental level.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
True. But I like to explore satire and humour by taking it straight.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Musashi363 wrote: The one I encounter the most often is that In the 41st millennium, all chaos forces fight in small warbands made up of CSMs from all different legions and cults. While that is what's on the tabletop, it's simply not true. Word Bearers are still a legion and fight as one. Iron Warriors are still a legion but fight in chapter sized units. Black Legion is still a Legion. The only legions that are truly And irrevocably shattered are the World Eaters and Emperors Children and possibly Night Lords. However, a small band of World Eaters will still fight as World Eaters. A Death Guard contingent will still fight ad Death Guard. Legions still exist. Marines from those legions still fight in the manner of their parent legions and primarchs.
There are plenty of canon mixed warbands who have little connection to their parent Legion. I get what you're saying though. Even in 'unifying' groups like the Black Legion I still struggle to imagine Thousand Sons and Plague Marine fighting literally next to each other.
A slight tangent but I've always seen the Black Legion in comparison to the RL communist Yugoslavia (bare with me). In Abaddon like Tito you have the Big Man who promotes an 'altruistic' message, whether its All Slavs Together or Chaos Undivided. As such you get disparate groups who have a history of rivalry coming under the same banner. However that doesn't make the inter-group distrust goes away, its simply subsumed by the Big Man's will.
My point is, while Abaddon can bring people together, if he's not running a Black Crusade or even simply not in the vicinity I imagine a decent minority marching under the Black Legion have little reason to stick to the unifying message and will break off quite easily, making the Black Legion the largest but ultimately far from the most unified force of Chaos.
Da Butcha wrote: Orks are all psychically active at a low level means that if an ork believes something works, it does.
No. Just no.
Even if the premise is determined to be true in-game, the presence of low-level psychic activity in all orks does not imbue each and every ork with the ability to totally bypass physics, nor does it indicate that orks can simply choose to believe in something and make it work.
It's well established that all orks have some niggling level of psychic ability. That alone means that individual orkish belief isn't enough to 'empower' a device to ignore the laws of physics. One ork doesn't generate much psychic energy. They have a low-level of psychic power. They aren't Eldar.
On top of that, even if orks do psychically manifest by empowering items to bypass the laws of physics, that doesn't follow that orks can simply 'choose' to believe something so that it happens. Belief is a pretty complicated state of affairs, and humans (and, presumably orks) can't just turn it on at will. Given that orks believe 'red wunz go fasta', and red vehicles do move faster for orks, doesn't indicate that orks painted their vehicles red, then decided to believe that make them faster.
Presumably, this arose from a more complicated state of affairs. Perhaps the Evil Suns, who tend to like red colors, and who have a love of speed and a lot of meks, painted a lot of vehicles red. These vehicles might have been faster because they were driven by orks with an affinity for speed, or orks who chose to spend a lot of teef on making a fast vehicle. Then, after orks observed many Evil Suns vehicles (which both tended to be red, and tended to be fast), a widespread belief in 'red=fast' arose in the ork psychology.
It just makes me ill when some glib nitwit spouts some random, stupid idea and justifies it with "Well, if the orks believe it, then it actually happens, because psychics."
Spoiler:
For a counter-example, here's my fluff idea for targeter squigs (as found on the Freebooter-looking Flash Git GW sells):
Targeter squigs are rotund, monocular, near-sighted squigs. They are reluctant to move, and prefer to sit immobile and wait for prey. When approached by a potential predator, the targeter squig emits a loud, piercing chirp, sounding much like an electronic ping or beep. If the predator continues to approach the squig, the targeter squig will continue to emit this unpleasant beeping, increasing in volume and frequency. If the predator approaches too closely to the squig, it will often vomit the contents of its stomach at the predator, void its bowels in the direction of the predator, or leap away awkwardly (and sometimes, all three).
Now, if an ork picks up a targeter squig, he's got a little pet that will sit on his shoulder. It's nearsighted, and has trouble with depth perception. If the ork is moving around, the squig will sometimes see something that alarms it, and emit a little panicked 'ping'. However, if the ork continues to move around, the squig might lose focus on the threat, and settle down, or see something else threatening. On the other hand, if the ork can muster up some concentration and stand fairly still, the targeter squig will focus on the prey and see it approaching. It will continue to ping and ping as the prey approaches. Ultimately, the squig will be emitting a panicked trill, if the enemy is fairly close. At this point, the ork knows that he had better shoot the enemy, or his pet will throw up or poop all over the place, so he shoots. As a result of standing still, the ork is actually in the best possible firing position (at least, for an ork), as he isn't running around, waving his arms, or generally being a boisterous ork.
So, even though the targeter squig doesn't actually 'target' the enemy, the behaviors that accompany the squig do benefit the ork's aim. As orks observe other orks using targeter squigs and being more accurate (for entirely the wrong reasons), a communal belief in the efficacy of targeter squigs arises in the orkish mind, to the extent that even in situations where the targeter squig should be of little help, an ork with one is measurably more accurate than one without.
See, it's not "Orks believe it so it's true!"
Well said, thought out and put...but ask yourself...do Orks think it impossible?
The whole "Templars have greater numbers than any other Chapter because they sacrifice quality for quantity, and their preferred mode of attack is to bumrush the enemy head-on, meaning their rate of attrition is really high" thing I've seen going on.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
That Space Marines don't have penises. Please, I have no idea where this notion came from. Point me to the passage in the Holy Writ of 40k where it EXPLICITLY states that they are built like Ken Dolls and have nothing left of their nether regions after becoming Space Marines.
Not "he lost his desire" or "the hypnosomatic conditioning makes them unable to copulate"
JUST TELL ME WHERE THE HECK IT SAYS THAT THEY REMOVE THE PENIS DURING SPACE MARINE SURGERIES BECAUSE I'M SO TIRED OF THAT STUPID MISCONCEPTION.
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bocatt wrote: That Space Marines don't have penises. Please, I have no idea where this notion came from. Point me to the passage in the Holy Writ of 40k where it EXPLICITLY states that they are built like Ken Dolls and have nothing left of their nether regions after becoming Space Marines.
Not "he lost his desire" or "the hypnosomatic conditioning makes them unable to copulate"
JUST TELL ME WHERE THE HECK IT SAYS THAT THEY REMOVE THE PENIS DURING SPACE MARINE SURGERIES BECAUSE I'M SO TIRED OF THAT STUPID MISCONCEPTION.
In fairness we don't know they do have penises...
So it's kinda like Schrodinger's Cat. Except a penis... Schrodinger's Penis.... Schrodinger's Space Penis.
Due to Schrodinger's Space Penis SM do and not not have penises...
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I've only ever heard that one once. Is it really a common idea?
It really makes no sense to remove the penis. THe scrotum, yes, but there's no bioscientific reason to remove the penis itself. It doesn't affect the body except in gender dysphorics, and it's damn useful for peeing standing up.
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purplefood wrote:
So it's kinda like Schrodinger's Cat. Except a penis... Schrodinger's Penis.... Schrodinger's Space Penis.
Due to Schrodinger's Space Penis SM do and not not have penises...
And who says 40k doesn't hold to real physics!
Furyou Miko wrote:I've only ever heard that one once. Is it really a common idea?
It really makes no sense to remove the penis. THe scrotum, yes, but there's no bioscientific reason to remove the penis itself. It doesn't affect the body except in gender dysphorics, and it's damn useful for peeing standing up.
There's no zipper I can see. Personally I've always assumed the inside of Power Armour is just a write-off.
That the Eldar are a true enemy of humanity. If humanity would have listened to Eldrad leading up to the Heresy, maybe the Eldar wouldn't think your race to be as stupid as it is.
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purplefood wrote:
So it's kinda like Schrodinger's Cat. Except a penis... Schrodinger's Penis.... Schrodinger's Space Penis.
Due to Schrodinger's Space Penis SM do and not not have penises...
And who says 40k doesn't hold to real physics!
Furyou Miko wrote:I've only ever heard that one once. Is it really a common idea?
It really makes no sense to remove the penis. THe scrotum, yes, but there's no bioscientific reason to remove the penis itself. It doesn't affect the body except in gender dysphorics, and it's damn useful for peeing standing up.
There's no zipper I can see. Personally I've always assumed the inside of Power Armour is just a write-off.
Why would power armour need a zipper? Pretty sure it's canonical that it has waste removal systems (endless battle sometimes doesn't allow a warrior time to take off their equipment so they can take a piss). I could be wrong though.
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purplefood wrote:
So it's kinda like Schrodinger's Cat. Except a penis... Schrodinger's Penis.... Schrodinger's Space Penis.
Due to Schrodinger's Space Penis SM do and not not have penises...
And who says 40k doesn't hold to real physics!
Furyou Miko wrote:I've only ever heard that one once. Is it really a common idea?
It really makes no sense to remove the penis. THe scrotum, yes, but there's no bioscientific reason to remove the penis itself. It doesn't affect the body except in gender dysphorics, and it's damn useful for peeing standing up.
There's no zipper I can see. Personally I've always assumed the inside of Power Armour is just a write-off.
Why would power armour need a zipper? Pretty sure it's canonical that it has waste removal systems (endless battle sometimes doesn't allow a warrior time to take off their equipment so they can take a piss). I could be wrong though.
I know I've heard the same, I was replying to the bit about needing a penis to pee standing up, waste removal systems remove this need. Just being silly really.
Though I assume Plague Marines have disconnected such systems for their own reasons... actually maybe some Emperor's Children too, skat isn't just a sub-set of Jazz. after all. Sorry if anyone is eating.
. If you look at page 7 you'll see the caste symbols.
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