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Well, if you have ever changed a diaper, you'll know that most male children dont have a fully developed penis. If you take said child and increase his size without increasing his penis size (I dont know that it happens, but if it does. Seems likely due to the artificial nature of the space marines) it would be almost unnoticable underneath all the hair growth (they have beards why not pubes).



And, their suits are designed to recycle waste so they must have some sort of hookup (perhaps part of the black carapace)

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
That the Eldar are a true enemy of humanity. If humanity would have listened to Eldrad leading up to the Heresy, maybe the Eldar wouldn't think your race to be as stupid as it is.

Eldrad has a poor track record of doing anything anyways, all his plannings usually failed and the one thing he did good he got killed over.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
That the Eldar are a true enemy of humanity. If humanity would have listened to Eldrad leading up to the Heresy, maybe the Eldar wouldn't think your race to be as stupid as it is.

Eldrad has a poor track record of doing anything anyways, all his plannings usually failed and the one thing he did good he got killed over.

Not anymore since GW retconned that all away.

Which begs the question did they retcon because GW hates us? Or because whiny ass Imperial players and Elder players got butthurt over losing the war and a SC?

(Despite the accusatory tone I'm actually asking I stopped playing right after Eye of Terror and got back in last year)

They retconned because they like the fall of Cadia as the 'precipice of disaster'. It's part of the whole 'Five minutes to Death' aspect of 5th/6th edition 40k. The timeline is literally frozen just before Eldrad boards the Blackstone Fortress.

Trying to use the CSM dex to play Nightlords.

Lots of misconceptions about Sisters of Battle. No, they don't lose every battle. (thought GW loves to pretend they do.) They're not inquisitors. The Cain novels had no basis in "reality" in their portrayal of SOB. (Drinking, smoking, sex, whatever else.) Pleasure of any type (except purging enemies) is their antithesis.

And I still think St. Celistine and other saints like her are essentially the Emperor's version of Demon Princes.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Trying to use the CSM dex to play Nightlords.

Lots of misconceptions about Sisters of Battle. No, they don't lose every battle. (thought GW loves to pretend they do.) They're not inquisitors. The Cain novels had no basis in "reality" in their portrayal of SOB. (Drinking, smoking, sex, whatever else.) Pleasure of any type (except purging enemies) is their antithesis.

Isn't that the misconception? Sisters don't hate pleasure. The Cain novels had the one Sister Superior who enjoyed gambling, cigars and had a relationship with one of the Schola's administrators. They're not Catholic nuns or Redemptionist zealots (the latter really do see pleasure = sin); they don't take vows of abstinence. They shun excess, of course, but aside from Codex: Sororitas, I've read much of the Sisters fluff. I've never come across anything that portrayed them this way. They serve the Emperor and focus this service heavily. They're disciplined, dedicated warriors who live an ascetic lifestyle... but that's a far cry from seeing pleasure as diametrically opposed to their own existence (which is what antithesis implies).

 bocatt wrote:
That Space Marines don't have penises. Please, I have no idea where this notion came from. Point me to the passage in the Holy Writ of 40k where it EXPLICITLY states that they are built like Ken Dolls and have nothing left of their nether regions after becoming Space Marines.

I do not know if Marines are build like Ken dolls, but that would not surprise me. Why ? Because that would explain where the exalted C'tan got its inspiration for its physical form .
The Ken C'tan.

 Bladed Crescent wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
[…]The Cain novels had no basis in "reality" in their portrayal of SOB. […]

[…]The Cain novels had the one Sister Superior who enjoyed gambling, cigars and had a relationship with one of the Schola's administrators.[…]

Huh, yeah, but he just said he did not rely on this very specific source of fluff.

In one of the older codices it showed a Sister Superior using a pin with spikes on it because it reminded her that anything worth doing is worth suffering for. In the new codex it describes how many sisters purposfully go into the Repentia as a way of increasing their suffering. Every fluff I've read shows them to be very spartan and anti-pleasure...except the Cain novels. Hmmm....
And yes, they are fanatical zealots.

kingleir wrote:
Well, if you have ever changed a diaper, you'll know that most male children dont have a fully developed penis. If you take said child and increase his size without increasing his penis size (I dont know that it happens, but if it does. Seems likely due to the artificial nature of the space marines) it would be almost unnoticable underneath all the hair growth (they have beards why not pubes).

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Most male children generally don't wear nappies and the recruiting age for SM can vary depending on what source you use. Some have it 10 or 11 while others push it higher to 14 or 15

The Sororitas are so fanatic and zealous, they manifest acts of faith/miracles. That goes beyond being just dedicated. the Cain novels are really really Off the mark compared to all the other fluff out there.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
They retconned because they like the fall of Cadia as the 'precipice of disaster'. It's part of the whole 'Five minutes to Death' aspect of 5th/6th edition 40k. The timeline is literally frozen just before Eldrad boards the Blackstone Fortress.

Wasn't there something about people reporting hundreds of games that didn't exist as well? As in, we're not sure who actually won because people were being bell-ends?

 Bladed Crescent wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Trying to use the CSM dex to play Nightlords.

Lots of misconceptions about Sisters of Battle. No, they don't lose every battle. (thought GW loves to pretend they do.) They're not inquisitors. The Cain novels had no basis in "reality" in their portrayal of SOB. (Drinking, smoking, sex, whatever else.) Pleasure of any type (except purging enemies) is their antithesis.

Isn't that the misconception? Sisters don't hate pleasure. The Cain novels had the one Sister Superior who enjoyed gambling, cigars and had a relationship with one of the Schola's administrators. They're not Catholic nuns or Redemptionist zealots (the latter really do see pleasure = sin); they don't take vows of abstinence. They shun excess, of course, but aside from Codex: Sororitas, I've read much of the Sisters fluff. I've never come across anything that portrayed them this way. They serve the Emperor and focus this service heavily. They're disciplined, dedicated warriors who live an ascetic lifestyle... but that's a far cry from seeing pleasure as diametrically opposed to their own existence (which is what antithesis implies).

No. As their various Codices state, they are a penitent order of religious zealots, who spend all of their time in training and prayer. Many of them are flagellants, or wear hair shirts under their PA, or other extreme practices of religious devotion. They deny themselves pleasure (of any kind) to bring themselves closer to the God-Emperor. "Cleave only unto the Emperor" and such, as is noted in the various sidebars.

Really, I'm surprised that so many people seem to think that the Sisters are just allowed to gamble, have sex, ect. They're not just religious enthusiasts, they're extremists.

I guess it's some combination of the studio fluff being under-exposed and the Cain novels being so popular and liked.

GW don't think their target audience is mature enough to mention willies and boobies and fannys anymore. (oh how i miss "sexy" daemonettes compared to the dominatrix bikers they are now) but as a result they will never touch on the space marine penis conundrum, It makes sense to me that they do not have them since they are a significant weakness (even if they are encased in power armour, plus, getting a stalk on in that suit would be all kinds of uncomfortable)

they certainly have no sexual desire, thus rendering the cock and balls obsolete, so why not remove them? It doesn't really matter either way, but GW fluff will never directly address the issue. No need to be annoyed if someone says they don't, marines aren;t gonna be using ther cocks anyway even if they do have them.

I think Necron fluff misconceptions are understandable since the MASSIVE fluff overhaul they got. I still thought they where mindless roboslaves who killed for the c'tan who rules them (that may even have been wrong for their last edition)

Necrons can go either way now, actually.

The bulk of their current numbers are beholden to their Phaerons, and might have some C'Tan shards around, like Pokemons, but are no longer slaves to them.

The Warriors and such are all still slaves to the Phaerons that hold their command protocols, though, so nothing has changed there, as far as the silent-killer-robots-of-death go... but the race, in the main, has overthrown their C'Tan masters.

That isn't to say that there cannot be a few hold-out C'Tan, and their pawns, scattered amongst the stars, which the ancient Necron empire once ruled.

 Bladed Crescent wrote:

Isn't that the misconception? Sisters don't hate pleasure. The Cain novels had the one Sister Superior who enjoyed gambling, cigars and had a relationship with one of the Schola's administrators. They're not Catholic nuns or Redemptionist zealots (the latter really do see pleasure = sin); they don't take vows of abstinence. They shun excess, of course, but aside from Codex: Sororitas, I've read much of the Sisters fluff. I've never come across anything that portrayed them this way. They serve the Emperor and focus this service heavily. They're disciplined, dedicated warriors who live an ascetic lifestyle... but that's a far cry from seeing pleasure as diametrically opposed to their own existence (which is what antithesis implies).

Pleasure leads to excess, excess leads to Chaos.

The Sisterhood don't specifically hate the concept of pleasure, but they do make sure that they have no time for it, and do not indulge it. A Sister's day is built around praying, training, and worshipping the God-Emperor. They know that they do not deserve pleasure. They deserve only suffering for their part in the Reign of Blood.

Pleasure is diametrically opposed to their own existence because they are still paying for their sins five thousand years ago. Pleasure isn't the problem inherently. It's just the opposite of what is important.

Regarding the Fire Caste/T'au symbol:

Per the 6th edition codex, they are different. Fire Cast has a line bisecting the bottom piece.

Per the 4th edition codex, they are the same symbol.

Per the 3rd edition codex, they are the same symbol.

 Themanwiththeplan wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Abdaddon has no arms and is a failure. Probably the most annoying meme in W40K fandom that has been so warped a lot of people don't even know why it started in the first place.

My guess would be he's failed so many times people thing he's harmles. Someone miss-overheard the disscussion and believed they where saying he was armless. The person went away and went on the net, and thus the chinese whispers began.

No, only one Black Crusade has failed. Every single other won has achieved its objective, including the Thirteenth, as it broke the Cadian Gate. The meme that "Abaddon has no arms" started because the arms on the Resin figure are waaaay too big, and have a habit of falling off if you just use superglue.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Themanwiththeplan wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Abdaddon has no arms and is a failure. Probably the most annoying meme in W40K fandom that has been so warped a lot of people don't even know why it started in the first place.

My guess would be he's failed so many times people thing he's harmles. Someone miss-overheard the disscussion and believed they where saying he was armless. The person went away and went on the net, and thus the chinese whispers began.

No, only one Black Crusade has failed. Every single other won has achieved its objective, including the Thirteenth, as it broke the Cadian Gate. The meme that "Abaddon has no arms" started because the arms on the Resin figure are waaaay too big, and have a habit of falling off if you just use superglue.

It was around long before the resin figure.

Yeah, the metal was not any better.

2x210 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
That the Eldar are a true enemy of humanity. If humanity would have listened to Eldrad leading up to the Heresy, maybe the Eldar wouldn't think your race to be as stupid as it is.

Eldrad has a poor track record of doing anything anyways, all his plannings usually failed and the one thing he did good he got killed over.

Not anymore since GW retconned that all away.

Which begs the question did they retcon because GW hates us? Or because whiny ass Imperial players and Elder players got butthurt over losing the war and a SC?

(Despite the accusatory tone I'm actually asking I stopped playing right after Eye of Terror and got back in last year)

That's rich. Eldar curb stomped CSM in their special duel warzone by the largest margin in the campaign. In return the top Eldar sc got killed. It was total BS. If things went off battle results then the 1k sons would be gone completely and ahriman would be a greasy spot on some Solitares cloak.

The deceiver is a shard, that's a misconception too, thankfully the cypher dex cleared that one up

 Happyjew wrote:
Regarding the Fire Caste/T'au symbol:

Per the 6th edition codex, they are different. Fire Cast has a line bisecting the bottom piece.

Per the 4th edition codex, they are the same symbol.

Per the 3rd edition codex, they are the same symbol.

I could have sworn it was retconned in the 4th edition...Oh well.

 MWHistorian wrote:
And I still think St. Celistine and other saints like her are essentially the Emperor's version of Demon Princes.

Agreed, makes sense of a sort, specifically with a theory that the Big E might turn into a Chaos God if he dies.

They may be daemon princes, but the Greater Daemons are the Primarchs...

I think people think the eldar are either CWE or DE, whereas really its more of a continuum, with CWE and DE at the extremes. A large number of eldar, and especially the ones that humans have the most contact with, live in the middle of the spectrum.

A question regarding Space Marines and reproduction: Aren't there a few chapters that allow older Space Marines to retire and have families? I'm like 90% sure I read that at some point.

Salamanders, although it is doubtful that they created said families post-Marinification.

 Silverthorne wrote:

2x210 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
That the Eldar are a true enemy of humanity. If humanity would have listened to Eldrad leading up to the Heresy, maybe the Eldar wouldn't think your race to be as stupid as it is.

Eldrad has a poor track record of doing anything anyways, all his plannings usually failed and the one thing he did good he got killed over.

Not anymore since GW retconned that all away.

Which begs the question did they retcon because GW hates us? Or because whiny ass Imperial players and Elder players got butthurt over losing the war and a SC?

(Despite the accusatory tone I'm actually asking I stopped playing right after Eye of Terror and got back in last year)

That's rich. Eldar curb stomped CSM in their special duel warzone by the largest margin in the campaign. In return the top Eldar sc got killed. It was total BS. If things went off battle results then the 1k sons would be gone completely and ahriman would be a greasy spot on some Solitares cloak.

Except for the fact that it was supposed to be CSM/Dark Eldar however DE were reporting their wins with the Eldar because they didn't like it, not to mention the fact that the Eldar players out-numbered most of the disorder forces in that sector due in part.

Um, no it was 1k sons vs. Ulthwe, which had their own specialy list at that time. Eldrad is Ulthwe, and DE were allowed to put their wins in with CWE, since the battlezone was the freaking webway. Not allowing them to throw their wins in the hat is like not allowing imperials to participate in a battle fought on terra.

How does outnumbering help if you have to have a 1 : 1 ratio to play a game between CSM and CWE? Did you invent a new type of math to make that possible?

This is all over looking the hella-broke CSM 3.5 codex.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The whole "Templars have greater numbers than any other Chapter because they sacrifice quality for quantity, and their preferred mode of attack is to bumrush the enemy head-on, meaning their rate of attrition is really high" thing I've seen going on.

I think the high attrition rates are attributed to the Neophytes. Since they aren't used like regular scouts, and instead put in combat units with full Initiates, only the strongest ones survive the harsh fighting.