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Whenever a topic like this comes up my answer is almost universally "whatever indy kickstarter sponsored/Steam Greenlight game is popular this week."

I keep feeling like the majority are actually not that great games that are relying on the "they're indy" label to somehow get them popular. and some people buy them because of that, then everybody suddenly starts buying them because it's popular and Nerd3/Pewdipie played a video of it on Youtube, then everybody forgets them a week later because they realize they aren't actually that great/ there's another game to support.

If you want to play a Civ game HBMC, you are probably better off with 3 or 4. Don't think 5 has been all that popular, they've fixed the hilariously random AI now but it is still a dumbing down of the previous games.

 Sasori wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
WoW. Played in beta after 5 years of Everquest, and it felt like super easy mode.

Anything after Everquest in the MMO world would be super easy!

The hardest MMO? I would say Ultima Online. When the game first came out especially - the ability to be murdered, then have your stuff that you had spent weeks collecting pillaged from your corpse was probably the most harrowing thing I have ever experienced in a video game.

I had a mining character that was pretty useless in a fight, I would even die against low level monsters. When I wasn't being protected by guild mates, to try and prevent my corpse being looted by PK'ers (player killers) I carried a book around with some text "please don't steal my tools, just the gold". Once a bunch of goons chased and killed me, even killed my pack animals that were carrying the ore I had collected. When I returned to my corpse, I could see already that it had been stripped to its underwear. Every item (even useless stuff, lanterns/oil, food etc.) had been looted. My clothes had been cut to ribbons and deposited next to the corpse. The only thing left on my body was my book, where one of the fine gentlemen had taken the time to write 'No.' inside.

Man that game was tough at times

 Sasori wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
WoW. Played in beta after 5 years of Everquest, and it felt like super easy mode.

Anything after Everquest in the MMO world would be super easy!

EVE Online, your argument is invalid.

I am very annoyed at the CoD series, and Mass Effect. CoD4 was the one I like, the story in the campaign related to me much better than the WW2 campaigns (played 1, 2 BR1, and W@W).

As for Mass Effect, they game-play was clunky to me, and the story just didn't keep me interested, *Yawn*.

feeder wrote:
Good lord, what a bunch of hipster nerds.

Pretty much.

I'm really surprised at the pasting Mass Effect and Elder Scrolls are getting, I really like those games and most people I know do as well.

 Pacific wrote:
If you want to play a Civ game HBMC, you are probably better off with 3 or 4. Don't think 5 has been all that popular, they've fixed the hilariously random AI now but it is still a dumbing down of the previous games.

 Sasori wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
WoW. Played in beta after 5 years of Everquest, and it felt like super easy mode.

Anything after Everquest in the MMO world would be super easy!

The hardest MMO? I would say Ultima Online. When the game first came out especially - the ability to be murdered, then have your stuff that you had spent weeks collecting pillaged from your corpse was probably the most harrowing thing I have ever experienced in a video game.

EVE Online. People are payed actual money as bounty hunters, destroying literal thousands of dollars with some ships.


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 Cheesecat wrote:

feeder wrote:
Good lord, what a bunch of hipster nerds.

Pretty much.

As HMBC said, disliking something popular =/= disliking because it's popular.

Indie games are a lot more numerous and dividing. Plus, a lot less well known.

For example, I think FEZ is massively overrated. It's very much "Look at the pretties oh look we're indie" over actual gameplay. Compare that to something like Forza or Need For Speed; I love these games because of the tightness and niceness of the controls. The former has a major micro-transactions problem, but I enjoy the vanilla game.

People will be far more divided over the first. The second, not so much. Everyone knows about Forza. Less people, albeit still a large chunk, know about FEZ.

feeder wrote:
Good lord, what a bunch of hipster nerds.

Oh you didn't know that's all people do on these forums? Hate on everything GW related and everything that is popular in the mainstream because it can't be battle porn if you have a 0.08 K/D.

 Markerlight Junkie wrote:
Oh you didn't know that's all people do on these forums? Hate on everything GW related and everything that is popular in the mainstream because it can't be battle porn if you have a 0.08 K/D.

Can't tell if serious or just butthurt?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Halo. Middling boiler-plate FPS that is so amazingly overrated.

This. 100% this. I never cared for Halo, it always struck me as extremely generic, and the fact that it was designed as an FPS for a console is also a strike against it for me. I vastly prefer mouse and keyboard for an FPS game. When you're used to mouse and keyboard a controller just seems so slow and clumsy in comparison. I know they ported it to PC, but nothing about the game seemed worth the effort.

It also annoyed me when I'd hear players talking using Halo-centric terminology for things that had existed for years prior. I distinctly remember some of my old roommates talking about playing a game of "Slayer," and I'm thinking WTF is that? Then they told me and I realized it was just Halo's name for deathmatch. Not sure why they felt the need to rename a game mode that was already well-established.

I haven't really cared for Elder Scrolls since Morrowind. I can see why others like them, but I have found them tedious and boring.

I don't get the love for the GTA series. I always found it to get very boring very quickly.

I liked Halo just for the fact it allowed you to play the story co-op, which not enough FPS do.

Best description of Skyrim I ever heard was that it was the size of an ocean with the depth of a paddling pool. I think that's an apt description. Nevertheless, I'm God-knows how many hours into my first real play-through (the one on the PS3 doesn't count), and I'm loving it.

I've defeated Mirak and saved Solstheim, I've killed dozens of dragons, I'm the Arch-Mage of the mage college, and now I'm running through the Thieve's Guild stuff. It's great!

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:

 Pacific wrote:


The hardest MMO? I would say Ultima Online. When the game first came out especially - the ability to be murdered, then have your stuff that you had spent weeks collecting pillaged from your corpse was probably the most harrowing thing I have ever experienced in a video game.

EVE Online. People are payed actual money as bounty hunters, destroying literal thousands of dollars with some ships.

Yes that's very true, EVE has taken it to another level.

Although most of the harsh concepts in EVE (which has itself been toned down a little) were taken first from UO. 'safe zones', your character becoming vulnerable to attack by others if you are a criminal etc.

It also annoyed me when I'd hear players talking using Halo-centric terminology for things that had existed for years prior. I distinctly remember some of my old roommates talking about playing a game of "Slayer," and I'm thinking WTF is that? Then they told me and I realized it was just Halo's name for deathmatch. Not sure why they felt the need to rename a game mode that was already well-established.

That annoys me more than it probably should.

Anything Assassins Creed. Just no. Those games bore the gak out of me, yet people will go on and on about how awesome they are.

Halo.
I don't like the setting, story, aethestics or gameplay. It's just so...boring.

I never liked Age of Empires either. Too much waiting.

EVE online; ALWAYS SPREADSHEETS ALL THE TIME. Also the fanbase is rife with griefers.

Starcraft, I only play blizzard RTS games for the custom maps (mostly the role play maps) and Starcraft II has greatly limited those. Pass.

Final Fantasy after it went from being mostly standard fantasy to being all about whinging Japanese school children who look like they've escaped from a space circus.

Tekken: I like fighting games but good lord the button mashing needed here is ridiculous.

God of war - I like my protagonists to be likeable and have more than a two note personality if the game is trying to take itself seriously. Also Asura's wrath told a better story in one game than GOW could in five.

Halo - Generic Space America fights generic coalition of generic monoculture aliens with generic religion worshipping generic precursor aliens fighting generic space zombies with generic magical powers with generic gameplay that has been overtaken by other generic FPS games that have a slightly less generic plot with slightly less generic characters.

CoD - First two games? Excellent. The series now? No, I dislike infantry only FPS games and good lord the fanbase.

Dragon Age - The best part of dragon age (the sex scenes) are all on youtube, and if you want smut in games, the Witcher beats DA hands down.

WoW - Easily one of the worst fanbases I have ever seen. And I tried role playing there once only to drown in furry futa mary sues with backgrounds so lore defiling it physically hurt.

GTA - I'll take Saint's Row any day.

Assassin's creed - The plot here is not half as good as it thinks it is.

Bioshock infinite - What do you mean I can't give these racist pricks and anti-intellectual a-holes what's coming?

The Last of Us and anything from naughty dog - "Citizen Kane of gaming" my ass. And that's from someone who was bored to sleep by Citizen Kane.

The Darkness - I was told I'd be playing a superhero game, not an FPS. Urgh.

Actually, the Darkness is a superhero (or rather, Anti-hero) game. It's just also an FPS.

What annoys me about the Darkness though is that there is no PC version. There's a PC version of the sequel, but not the first. This inconsistency irks me.

Agreed about God of War. It comes off as trying way too hard to be "edgy" and "omg epic" to me. It doesn't help matters that the protagonist is an aggressive, overly masculine A-Hole.
Even Duke, for all his crass Machismo, had a sense of humor and personality.

Bioshock Infinite was a disappointment to me; it started off so promising, with it's critique of American Determinism and it's parody of the revolution, but then it became nonsensical with it's paradoxes and dimensional jumping. It's as if they had two different concepts but not enough time to flesh one out, so they welded them together and hoped for the best.

First couple of GTAs were fun. They they started to get serious and realistic.

Gears of War...oh hey, another grey dull shooter with molasses like pace.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Actually, the Darkness is a superhero (or rather, Anti-hero) game. It's just also an FPS.

What annoys me about the Darkness though is that there is no PC version. There's a PC version of the sequel, but not the first. This inconsistency irks me.

When you say "Superhero game" I think City of Heroes, Hulk Ultimate Destruction, Arkham City, Spider man 2, or Infamous/Prototype.

I don't think "FPS." It doesn't seem like the appropriate genre really.

 SneakyMek wrote:


Also FF are starting to grow boring on me, whats the point of naming a game series "Final Fantasy" when there is no well Final or last game in the series?.

The first Final Fantasy was to be the last game of Square as they were going bankrupt, ironically the game saved them and became the oonly game (Apart from COD, that is going to go on until FF: 757)

I don't like Gears of War, just didn't sit well with me, I tried, i tried alot but I could never got into it and it just made me angry for no reason.
Any resident evil after 3. The whole series for me has been ruined by the stupid action game direction they have gone, playing the first three just reminds me that I know what's coming and it isn't good. Bring back slow zombies, tight corridors and that damn annoying opening door animation!!

 Kain wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Actually, the Darkness is a superhero (or rather, Anti-hero) game. It's just also an FPS.

What annoys me about the Darkness though is that there is no PC version. There's a PC version of the sequel, but not the first. This inconsistency irks me.

When you say "Superhero game" I think City of Heroes, Hulk Ultimate Destruction, Arkham City, Spider man 2, or Infamous/Prototype.

I don't think "FPS." It doesn't seem like the appropriate genre really.

Ah I see. I interpret superhero game as "a game wherein you play as a superhero from a comic, or who was inspired by comics (such as City of Heroes"

Funnily enough, Prototype is actually a lot like the Darkness from the comics - quasi-biological armor, sharp tendrils, blood fountains, anti-hero protagonist, endless urge to kill, etc, etc.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Actually, the Darkness is a superhero (or rather, Anti-hero) game. It's just also an FPS.

What annoys me about the Darkness though is that there is no PC version. There's a PC version of the sequel, but not the first. This inconsistency irks me.

When you say "Superhero game" I think City of Heroes, Hulk Ultimate Destruction, Arkham City, Spider man 2, or Infamous/Prototype.

I don't think "FPS." It doesn't seem like the appropriate genre really.

Ah I see. I interpret superhero game as "a game wherein you play as a superhero from a comic"

Funnily enough, Prototype is actually a lot like the Darkness from the comics - quasi-biological armor, sharp tendrils, blood fountains, etc, etc.

The nature of what a superhero or supervillain is makes them very well suited for open world games.

A corridor FPS just feels like a waste of potential really.

CoD and Fifa... yuck

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Bioshock Infinite was a disappointment to me; it started off so promising, with it's critique of American Determinism and it's parody of the revolution, but then it became nonsensical with it's paradoxes and dimensional jumping. It's as if they had two different concepts but not enough time to flesh one out, so they welded them together and hoped for the best.

I was expecting something along the lines of Bioshock. Competent combat, a well realised and believeable world and an engaging storyline. I played Infinite until just before the prison section (I assume) and it was nothing like I imagined, well the visual world building was good but thats about it. The combat was a joke, any 'serious' game that defaults to using hordes of weak enemies is commiting a serious game play faux pas, its attempts at narrative depth were flat and hollow (which apparently only gets worse) and its portral of social conflict was crude and cliched. It has fallen very far from the System Shock tree.

Its probably just as well that Irrational has closed if thats the best that they can come up with now.

 Palindrome wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Bioshock Infinite was a disappointment to me; it started off so promising, with it's critique of American Determinism and it's parody of the revolution, but then it became nonsensical with it's paradoxes and dimensional jumping. It's as if they had two different concepts but not enough time to flesh one out, so they welded them together and hoped for the best.

I was expecting something along the lines of Bioshock. Competent combat, a well realised and believeable world and an engaging storyline. I played Infinite until just before the prison section (I assume) and it was nothing like I imagined, well the visual world building was good but thats about it. The combat was a joke, any 'serious' game that defaults to using hordes of weak enemies is commiting a serious game play faux pas, its attempts at narrative depth were flat and hollow (which apparently only gets worse) and its portral of social conflict was crude and cliched. It has fallen very far from the System Shock tree.

Its probably just as well that Irrational has closed if thats the best that they can come up with now.

Oh yeah, the game play was pretty bad. I remembered having large areas in Bioshock that I could revisit, as well as various little ingenious ways of killing splicers (water, oil, etc)
That was not the case in infinite.

 Palindrome wrote:
I was expecting something along the lines of Bioshock. Competent combat, a well realised and believeable world and an engaging storyline. I played Infinite until just before the prison section (I assume) and it was nothing like I imagined, well the visual world building was good but thats about it. The combat was a joke, any 'serious' game that defaults to using hordes of weak enemies is commiting a serious game play faux pas, its attempts at narrative depth were flat and hollow (which apparently only gets worse) and its portral of social conflict was crude and cliched. It has fallen very far from the System Shock tree.

Its probably just as well that Irrational has closed if thats the best that they can come up with now.

Not to mention a lot of "bullet sponge" enemies in a game that needlessly limits you to 2 weapons. I get the feeling that that game went through some real development hell, and if you look at some of the older gameplay clips you'll see things that are so different to what we got. I'd love someone to take an in-depth look at what happened with that game.

Did I mention I don't like halo either? I can't remember

Halo, all racing's games, all platformers

 Pacific wrote:
If you want to play a Civ game HBMC, you are probably better off with 3 or 4. Don't think 5 has been all that popular, they've fixed the hilariously random AI now but it is still a dumbing down of the previous games.

 Sasori wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
WoW. Played in beta after 5 years of Everquest, and it felt like super easy mode.

Anything after Everquest in the MMO world would be super easy!

The hardest MMO? I would say Ultima Online. When the game first came out especially - the ability to be murdered, then have your stuff that you had spent weeks collecting pillaged from your corpse was probably the most harrowing thing I have ever experienced in a video game.

I had a mining character that was pretty useless in a fight, I would even die against low level monsters. When I wasn't being protected by guild mates, to try and prevent my corpse being looted by PK'ers (player killers) I carried a book around with some text "please don't steal my tools, just the gold". Once a bunch of goons chased and killed me, even killed my pack animals that were carrying the ore I had collected. When I returned to my corpse, I could see already that it had been stripped to its underwear. Every item (even useless stuff, lanterns/oil, food etc.) had been looted. My clothes had been cut to ribbons and deposited next to the corpse. The only thing left on my body was my book, where one of the fine gentlemen had taken the time to write 'No.' inside.

Man that game was tough at times

I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't be laughing at your misfortune, but this post seriously cracked me the hell up. Easily one of the best things I've ever read on this forum. Just... wow, that is so sad and yet so hilarious at the same time.

As for videogames I hate, I've never liked GTA. I've never had any interest whatsoever in playing a thug simulator. Killing cops, prostitutes, and jacking cars has never had a draw for me.

Call of Duty,
Medal of Honor
Planetside,
Halo (current ones, not the first one, which was just awesome)
The New Thief series
Final Fantasy (new series)
Battlefield
Any FPS series really that are really REALLY linear and feel like arcade shooting games. Which is alot of games out there.

I agree, Halo. That's one game I can NOT stand...and I love FPSs.