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 d-usa wrote:
The kid can make any decision he wants regarding sex. It's not illegal for him to have sex with the two teachers. He is not on trial here and he is not facing any charges.

This is actually sort of the end to this whole tangent in my book, good point. The OP's argument is predicated on sort of a bad premise.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Does it hurt my cred if I mention I didn't even have a learner's permit until 18?

Not really. I was wondering how many actually get there license at that age versus how many have to wait a year or two. It doesn't change that under certain circumstances (I think you have to take drivers education courses and have a permit a certain amount of time) you can theoretically get a license at that age, I just wonder how often it happens. Most of the people I know it wasn't until 17~18, and according to statistics more and more are not getting one at all or until much later.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Does it hurt my cred if I mention I didn't even have a learner's permit until 18?

Not really. I was wondering how many actually get there license at that age versus how many have to wait a year or two. It doesn't change that under certain circumstances (I think you have to take drivers education courses and have a permit a certain amount of time) you can theoretically get a license at that age, I just wonder how often it happens. Most of the people I know it wasn't until 17~18, and according to statistics more and more are not getting one at all or until much later.

There's no requirement for Driver's Ed in Louisiana, at least not when I got my license. THAT SAID, I took it because my father didn't have the time to teach me when I was old enough. IIRC, LA only requires you to have your learner's until a certain age, I got a learners purely because they had used up all their driving test slots the day I took the written test. I had it for all of a month and it only took that long because I was still in school and needed to wait until I had a day off(I was in school in a different state than where I lived, long story).

All I am saying is that in this particular instance...I don't believe that the teachers should be facing statutory rape charges. I believe that he was fully cognizant and commpetent to make the choice to have sex or not...on multiple occasions apparently.

As I said before..."abuse of power" or position of authority isn't what I am discussing.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
All I am saying is that in this particular instance...I don't believe that the teachers should be facing statutory rape charges. I believe that he was fully cognizant and commpetent to make the choice to have sex or not...on multiple occasions apparently.
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Oh, you know him personally?

Ahem...what part of "I believe" do I need to explain...?


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And to ask: do *you* know him personally? Hmm?

The part where your belief is based on reality.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Ahem...what part of "I believe" do I need to explain...?


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And to ask: do *you* know him personally? Hmm?

No, but I didn't make any assertions of about his judgement, specifically that he was capable of a sexual relationship beyond what the voting populace of Louisiana have effected via their duly elected representatives, based on essentially nothing, either.

I didn't get my license until I was 17.

It will be really interesting to see how they get charged. Based on precedent, I'd guess they'll lose teaching licenses and will get probation.

Two very different forms of punishment in these situations when it's wimmenz or menz.


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Additionally, as a teacher you have a TON of influence over your students, regardless of their age.

THAT'S why it's illegal.

And then, you know, it ignores the whole unethical aspect of it.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Ok...so...if the age of consent for sex is 17 in Louisiana.....but you can commit and be charged with murder at 16 ( or younger perhaps?) what is that saying about our society?

Yes, it does. I am really sorry about having to say it aloud, but clearly it says your society is (gasp) very very much against murder and people who commit murder.

 trexmeyer wrote:
America loves violence and despises sex. Don't expect it to make sense.

If it loves violence and despise sex, why does it punish 16 years old that commit violence but not 16 years old that have sex?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
America loves violence and despises sex. Don't expect it to make sense.

If it loves violence and despise sex, why does it punish 16 years old that commit violence but not 16 years old that have sex?

Because we don't expect it to make sense.

Except they're not punishing the 16 year old for having sex......

I mean, that's pretty clear....

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I agree child abuse is a thing. My point is how things change. 16 you can drive a car, own a gun, be tried as an adult. Join the marines under certain circumstances. But not have sex?

16 year olds can't own firearms.
Please show me where a 16 year old can sign up for the military.



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 Ouze wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
All I am saying is that in this particular instance...I don't believe that the teachers should be facing statutory rape charges. I believe that he was fully cognizant and commpetent to make the choice to have sex or not...on multiple occasions apparently.
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Oh, you know him personally?

Further, a scre up means more mouths to feed at government expense.

 cincydooley wrote:
Except they're not punishing the 16 year old for having sex......

Yes, that is what I said.

 cincydooley wrote:
Except they're not punishing the 16 year old for having sex......

I mean, that's pretty clear....

Are you suggesting the victim of statutory rape be prosecuted?

 TheMeanDM wrote:
All I am saying is that in this particular instance...I don't believe that the teachers should be facing statutory rape charges. I believe that he was fully cognizant and commpetent to make the choice to have sex or not...on multiple occasions apparently.

As I said before..."abuse of power" or position of authority isn't what I am discussing.

Yes, "Abuse of power" is exactly what you're discussing because you just said 2 teachers (positions of authority) had sex with a student. Even if they weren't teachers the age differential is enough for them to be abusing the innate influence that an older person has on a minor, especially in sexual situations. The minor's consent is completely irrelevant.

One occasion or multiple occasions is irrelevant. Victims of many different crimes are known to be violated repeatedly. That doesn't change the facts of the crime.

The real issue is that despite the backslapping and congratulations that will accompany this act, this kid is very likely to end up messed sexually after this. I think any sexual therapist will confirm that young teens having sexual experiences with adults is not good for their sexual development. Which is the whole reason we have laws like this making what these women did Statutory Rape.

Still haven't heard you respond to what your reaction would be if it was a 16 year old female and two male 20 something teachers?

To be fair, with the woman on the left in the pic in the link in the OP; I would. With the metric force of a train.

I too would love to have sex with a rapist.

 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Except they're not punishing the 16 year old for having sex......

I mean, that's pretty clear....

Are you suggesting the victim of statutory rape be prosecuted?

BLAME THE VICTIM!

I definitely think the tone would be different if it was two male teachers who had sex with a female student.

 Frazzled wrote:
Further, a scre up means more mouths to feed at government expense.

We can't have that now.

Innate influence simply becauee of age? Please...don't make me laugh. As I have said...and will say again...there are precedents of extremely wise, responsible and mature "children" at 16 years of age...just as there are instances of extremely immature, irresponsible and foolish "adults" of 18+.

While we only know a cursory sketch of the situation...I BELIEVE that this guy was a willing participant....that he made a conscious choice to hqve sex with these teachers.

*If* you assume that both teachers made the initial advancememts toward the student, then the student is faced with 2 choics: 1) engage in the behavior or 2) report the advancememt (s). Its really that simple of a choice. You do it, or you don't....the choice, is yours.

From what we know so far....this was *multiple* meetings. Again, at any point, he could have *chosen* to report the situation.

From the sounds of it.....again...this is extrapolated given the sketchy details so far...the authorities learned about this not through the choices of the guy, but by friends/acquaintances of the guy who heard the stories (or even perhaps saw the reported video).

Again...these are my "gut feelings" about what went down. Your beliefs and gut feelings are obviously different. As the facts come out and it goes to trial...someone will be right and someone will be wrong.

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If it were the exact same story just with genders flipped? I would admittedly choose to believe that there would have been pressure and coercion on the part of the male teachers.

Biggest issue-they taped it. So now it's "child porn" since he's 16 in it. Even if he was of age to consent, the tapes would have been illegal if he was under 18, regardless of consent laws.

Also, that girl on the left is gorgeous. She could have anyone she wanted-why a 16 year old kid? They should have at least waited til he graduated-they coulda screwed him til they passed out from exhaustion. Still, every man dreams of a threesome at some point in life. Hot as she is, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the only thing the guy is truly upset about is that there are no more threesomes. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But I'm gonna play the numbers game and say he wasn't "harmed" by the experience. 16 is the legal age in MOST states in the US. To say a 16 yr old is unable to make the decision to have sex in this state but can make that decision in a state like PA is full blown stupid. Because in PA the AoC IS 16. Each state rationalizes it, but it varies on a case by case basis. Not a state by state.

Tl;dr-teachers are dumb for filming it, teacher on left is hot, 16 is legal in some states, not others-maturity should be on a case by case, not state by state, argument.

 Da Boss wrote:
I definitely think the tone would be different if it was two male teachers who had sex with a female student.

Oh, most definitely.


The DCMs probably would've still opened with jokes, though. We're dicks that way.

Well, if they were male teachers with a female student the biggest issue would be crossing swords.



Amidoingitright?

 TheMeanDM wrote:
I BELIEVE that this guy was a willing participant....that he made a conscious choice to hqve sex with these teachers.

He cannot legally make that choice. He is incapable of consent.

Again...these are my "gut feelings" about what went down. Your beliefs and gut feelings are obviously different. As the facts come out and it goes to trial...someone will be right and someone will be wrong.

I think it's wholly irrelevant to the facts re: ability to consent, but the heads-up that you've announced to anyone who might debate this with you that logic, facts, and reason will not counter the situation you invented in your head out of whole cloth is nice.

If it were the exact same story just with genders flipped? I would admittedly choose to believe that there would have been pressure and coercion on the part of the male teachers.

Congratulations on being part of the problem, I guess?

 TheMeanDM wrote:
If it were the exact same story just with genders flipped? I would admittedly choose to believe that there would have been pressure and coercion on the part of the male teachers.

Oh, the sweet smell of gender roles/stereotypes!


I think it is time to repost this video I found on Dakka originally, in case anyone missed it (do NOT stop at the title):

6/10 and 3/10. That boy has a lot to learn!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Well, if they were male teachers with a female student the biggest issue would be crossing swords.

What about crossing the streams?!

Is R Kelly one of the the teachers in this hypothetical situation?