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So...two Louisiana teachers have been arrested for carrying on a sexual relationship with a 16 ( now 17) year old male student.

http://whotv.com/2014/10/02/two-teachers-arrested-for-having-threesome-with-student-16/

As I read once: a 16 year old can commit a crime amd be tried as an adult...but if he chooses to have sex with an older woman (or..women) then he is considered a "child" who needs protection.

Apparently...there is an age where you can be considered whatever "fits" the situation.

First?

No, there isn't a special age "where you pick whatever you want", so much as there are different laws with different ages attached; so it's specific to the crime. For example, in Louisiana, the age of consent is 17, so the teachers would be charged with statutory rape, probably multiple counts.

Additionally, there is a second law that would protect a minor child who is the age of consent from sex with a teacher specific to Louisiana. So even if the kid was 18 or 20, and the teacher was >4 years older, it would remain unlawful.

So, let all the usual asinine comments begin; how hot the teachers are, how it's not rape rape, etc. Don't disappoint me, OT.

 Ouze wrote:

So, let all the usual asinine comments begin; how hot the teachers are, how it's not rape rape, etc. Don't disappoint me, OT.

I've got two cards ready, cause I'm sure I'll double Bingo in this one.

Only one of them is hot. It's not rape if he enjoyed it. PLAYA!

Gimmie a few mins to think of some more, Ouze.

Finally clicked on the link.

Holy gak, I think I KNOW one of them!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

So, let all the usual asinine comments begin; how hot the teachers are, how it's not rape rape, etc. Don't disappoint me, OT.

I've got two cards ready, cause I'm sure I'll double Bingo in this one.

Yep, this is going to be a good one.

Ouze, can we can ebola added to Dakka Bingo?

 Platuan4th wrote:
Finally clicked on the link.

Holy gak, I think I KNOW one of them!

Well now you know she's up for it; go get some!

(Does that count as an asinine comment? Asking for bingo players...)

Yeah, I'll add it when I get home. I never imagined it would be a thing, and yet here we are.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Finally clicked on the link.

Holy gak, I think I KNOW one of them!

Well now you know she's up for it; go get some!

(Does that count as an asinine comment? Asking for bingo players...)

I'll have her bring her friend along just so I can tell Dakka I tagged 'em both.

(This helping any? In all seriousness, I'm fairly certain I actually am acquainted with one as she's related to a teacher I had in high school that I stay in contact with.)

Ok...so...if the age of consent for sex is 17 in Louisiana.....but you can commit and be charged with murder at 16 ( or younger perhaps?) what is that saying about our society?

That a 16 year old can completely and fully know wjat tjey are doing when they pull a trigger or stick someone with a knife and end their life ( or perhaps drive drunk/impaired and kill someone).....but....someone who is 16 automatically cannot make the conscious decision to engage in sex?

(Not debating the teacher/student relationship)

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Ok...so...if the age of consent for sex is 17 in Louisiana.....but you can commit and be charged with murder at 16 ( or younger perhaps?) what is that saying about our society?

That a 16 year old can completely and fully know wjat tjey are doing when they pull a trigger or stick someone with a knife and end their life ( or perhaps drive drunk/impaired and kill someone).....but....someone who is 16 automatically cannot make the conscious decision to engage in sex?

(Not debating the teacher/student relationship)

A) Those are two very different crimes. B) the reason for statutory rape is usually do to the fact that children (even 16 or 17 year olds) can be manipulated into these types of sexual relationships through authority/age differences. Yes, the kid may have known full well what he was doing, but pretty sure the teachers should have known full well too that what they were doing was wrong

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Ok...so...if the age of consent for sex is 17 in Louisiana.....but you can commit and be charged with murder at 16 ( or younger perhaps?) what is that saying about our society?

That a 16 year old can completely and fully know wjat tjey are doing when they pull a trigger or stick someone with a knife and end their life ( or perhaps drive drunk/impaired and kill someone).....but....someone who is 16 automatically cannot make the conscious decision to engage in sex?

(Not debating the teacher/student relationship)

America loves violence and despises sex. Don't expect it to make sense.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
That a 16 year old can completely and fully know wjat tjey are doing when they pull a trigger or stick someone with a knife and end their life ( or perhaps drive drunk/impaired and kill someone).....but....someone who is 16 automatically cannot make the conscious decision to engage in sex?

It means that they can't make the legal decision to engage in sex. Basically, they're saying that 16 year olds can't make a competent decision about sex, which is true.

Edit: Jreilly described it better than I can.

It is always a bit strange when you hear of a teacher engaging in a sexual relationship with a student, but I can't imagine the thinking that would have to be present to for two teachers to think that it was ok.

So this kid is trusted with a car, but not his own penis?

Precisely my point....

That society has deemed a 16 year old incompetent enough to make a legal decision to have sex....but can make a legally competent decision to murder someone strikes me as *very* moronic....and indeed...it definitely shows the hangup America has regarding sex.

 Ahtman wrote:
It is always a bit strange when you hear of a teacher engaging in a sexual relationship with a student, but I can't imagine the thinking that would have to be present to for two teachers to think that it was ok.

Well, both teachers were there to make sure that the other one kept things wholesome and that the student didn't take anything happening out of context.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Precisely my point....

That society has deemed a 16 year old incompetent enough to make a legal decision to have sex....but can make a legally competent decision to murder someone strikes me as *very* moronic....and indeed...it definitely shows the hangup America has regarding sex.

Yeah, with such large issues like pedophiles and child abuse rings, I don't get how America could be so hung on sex seriously, child abuse, especially of a sexual nature, is a very real problem and as such, laws like this exist to protect children


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So this kid is trusted with a car, but not his own penis?

Way to miss the point by a mile. Bravo


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Side note: to everyone saying the kid is totally in his right mind to make this decision, had the genders been reversed, would you still make the same claim? I.E. a 24 year old male teacher and a 32 year old male teacher engaging in this act with a 16 year old female student.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So this kid is trusted with a car, but not his own penis?

Sex is probably more emotionally and mentally complex than a car and is why it isn't as problematic when it is between peers of that age and is between those in authority and those whom they have authority over. Part of the problem is that when you make laws you have to draw a line somewhere and people are never going to agree where that line should be one way or the other. You can enlist in the military years before you can legally get a beer at a restaurant/pub. These things are also hard to get changed, but they do change so you can always get involved locally to try and get the age changed if you feel strongly about it.

I agree child abuse is a thing. My point is how things change. 16 you can drive a car, own a gun, be tried as an adult. Join the marines under certain circumstances. But not have sex?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Join the marines under certain circumstances.

Which circumstances are that? I'm unaware of them.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Precisely my point....

That society has deemed a 16 year old incompetent enough to make a legal decision to have sex....but can make a legally competent decision to murder someone strikes me as *very* moronic....and indeed...it definitely shows the hangup America has regarding sex.

The kid can make any decision he wants regarding sex. It's not illegal for him to have sex with the two teachers. He is not on trial here and he is not facing any charges.

It's illegal for an adult to have sex with a child. Because minors cannot give consent because their parents are legally still in charge of him. An adult can be charged as an adult with murder and an adult can be charged with statutory rape. Arguing potential legal proceedings against a child who murdered someone is non-sensical since it has nothing to do with an adult breaking the law.

You can argue about a lower age of consent if you want, and that's a discussion worth having, but "he can murder someone so he should be able to feth who he wants" doesn't really make sense.

It is also worth noting that many places with lower ages of consent have separate laws stating that a person cannot consent to sex with a person that has authority over them.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
16 you can drive a car, own a gun, be tried as an adult.

Outside odd circumstances that are often arguable, 18 is when you are tried as an adult.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
But not have sex?

They can have sex, just not with someone in authority and need not with people much older than they are. If he had a three way with two girls in his class this wouldn't be an issue, outside of avoiding their parents of course.

Edit: As d-usa pointed out, and I should have been clearer on, he isn't in legal trouble for it, but there wouldn't be a news story about it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I agree child abuse is a thing. My point is how things change. 16 you can drive a car, own a gun, be tried as an adult. Join the marines under certain circumstances. But not have sex?

Precisely what I am saying too. Join the Jr. ROTC, get hunting licenses to kill animals...drive a 2 ton death machine without parental supervision....among other things.

There should also be consideration for the memtal and emotional maturity of the so-called "child".

There arw some 16 year olds who arw amazingly esponsible and wise beyond their years. Others...not so much.

 Ahtman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So this kid is trusted with a car, but not his own penis?

Sex is probably more emotionally and mentally complex than a car

This.

I also remember when I was 16(incidentally, when I started having sex IN the state we're talking about) and asking 16 year old me to make a rational decision about sex would have been like asking for a non-corrupt politician in Louisiana. It may happen, but the likely hood is closer to 0.

 Ouze wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Join the marines under certain circumstances.

Which circumstances are that? I'm unaware of them.

I know for a fact you can join the Army at age 17 as a junior... where you'd do boot camp the summer prior to your senior year.

So, I'm sure there's some wonkey rule that at 16 you could join.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So this kid is trusted with a car, but not his own penis?

Sex is probably more emotionally and mentally complex than a car

This.

I also remember when I was 16(incidentally, when I started having sex IN the state we're talking about) and asking 16 year old me to make a rational decision about sex is like asking for a non-corrupt politician in Louisiana. It may happen, but the likely hood is closer to 0.

Aw feth no!

You can kill someone/yourself operating a car.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Join the Jr. ROTC,

Not quite the same thing at all. Personally, I was in 8th grade when I joined USMC JROTC.


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 whembly wrote:

Aw feth no!

You can kill someone/yourself operating a car.

Does it hurt my cred if I mention I didn't even have a learner's permit until 18?

 whembly wrote:

I know for a fact you can join the Army at age 17 as a junior... where you'd do boot camp the summer prior to your senior year.

So, I'm sure there's some wonkey rule that at 16 you could join.

Yes, that was a legitimate question,. I'm curious. I don't think it's until 17 either but I'm not an expert.

Something weird happened.