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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 01:39:39
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Please, we all know the real threat here, and it isn't Monopoly or Ouija boards.
It's this:
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 01:44:26
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Douglas Bader
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Nonsense. Risk at least ends eventually. Monopoly is a game created for the sole purpose of taking as long as possible without ever reaching a conclusion.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 01:45:06
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Kid_Kyoto
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An old girlfriend punched me once because I attacked her in that game. It is seriously dangerous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 01:45:25
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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In our house, risk was more likely to cause coma, or in extreme cases self-injury as we attempted to gnaw off any limbs preventing us from escaping. Automatically Appended Next Post: Peregrine wrote:
Nonsense. Risk at least ends eventually. Monopoly is a game created for the sole purpose of taking as long as possible without ever reaching a conclusion.
If you play it strictly by the rules, it does end, in the same way that a festering gut-wound ends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 01:49:25
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Douglas Bader
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daedalus wrote:An old girlfriend punched me once because I attacked her in that game. It is seriously dangerous.
Lol. Risk is nothing for that. Let me introduce you to the real friendship-destroying game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_%28game%29
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:06:57
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Peregrine wrote: Nonsense. Risk at least ends eventually. Monopoly is a game created for the sole purpose of taking as long as possible without ever reaching a conclusion. Monopoly may not end but Risk ends in blood. Seriously, my dad was in the Royal Fleet Auxiliary and he and his friends used to play Risk for drinks. Violence would ensue when betrayal occurred.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:17:48
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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I generally wouldn't mess with any form of divination except prophesy, and finding someone with a reliable prophetic ministry is hard, but there are some out there.
There is a lot of explaining away of the supernatural which is considered confirmed fact simply because some people prefer to close off the alternate explanations.
In the case of Ouija boards I keep an open mind as to what happens. In these circumstances ideomotor holds logic as the practitioners are aware and can move the planchette semi-consciously.
However the invitation to spirits is still made, and there is no guarantee that one might turn up, even if all you are getting on the board itself is an ideomotor response. It is also unsafe to assume that if any do turn up they will leave just because you move the planchette to 'goodbye', not all spirits are nice and many are reluctant to play by the rules.
If you want to have an ideomotor based psychological experiment, and I can see how that can be fun, remove any form of spiritual invitation from it, and don't use a Ouija board or any other spiritist approach unless you are willing to handle the consequences, which you wont be.
Finding someone with the prophesy charismata is spiritually 'legal' from a Christian perspective, though you might not agree with my paradigm the comment is well intended. Anyone with a prophetic ministry is expected to provide their service free of charge or favour of any kind, but if they inquire of God for you it wont happen there and then, usually. So you will need to be patient for your answer.
Most times I have talked to a prophet I got no answer, prophesy is no something you can use on demand, but when it does happen the message is often profound. Sometimes I get given a message from my prophetic friends without asking for one, its just a matter of being open about it.
Prophesy is a subtle gift and very hard to practice, but it is worth it. You can also ask God for the gift of prophesy, or any of the charismata. Who knows you might receive it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:24:36
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Norn Queen
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Peregrine wrote:
Nonsense. Risk at least ends eventually. Monopoly is a game created for the sole purpose of taking as long as possible without ever reaching a conclusion.
Only because people don't play Monopoly properly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:38:46
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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Douglas Bader
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Orlanth wrote:IThere is a lot of explaining away of the supernatural which is considered confirmed fact simply because some people prefer to close off the alternate explanations.
Not really. The "explaining away the supernatural" happens because the evidence for the supernatural is just laughably weak unless you start from the assumption that your preferred supernatural thing exists and look for any possible justification.
It is also unsafe to assume that if any do turn up they will leave just because you move the planchette to 'goodbye', not all spirits are nice and many are reluctant to play by the rules.
This is a joke, right?
and don't use a Ouija board or any other spiritist approach unless you are willing to handle the consequences, which you wont be.
And just what would those "consequences" be? A -2 penalty on your D&D character's will save next game?
Most times I have talked to a prophet I got no answer, prophesy is no something you can use on demand, but when it does happen the message is often profound. Sometimes I get given a message from my prophetic friends without asking for one, its just a matter of being open about it.
So let me get this straight: if you talk to a prophet no matter what happens, including nothing at all, it will never be evidence that prophecy doesn't exist? Automatically Appended Next Post:
It's not just the buying stage, it's the endgame that's the problem. It takes way too long for the game to finally end once it has become pretty obvious that someone is going to win, so you either suffer through endless boring trips around the board as your wallet and assets decline, or you concede the game and feel the disappointment of giving up when you might have had a chance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:54:55
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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Peregrine wrote:
and don't use a Ouija board or any other spiritist approach unless you are willing to handle the consequences, which you wont be.
And just what would those "consequences" be? A -2 penalty on your D&D character's will save next game?
Nah... probably something you'd need this for:
To the OP... I do find it extremely fascinating that Christians make such a big fething deal out of "occult" practices, and how you should avoid them. When, if you study history, you'll see that some of the most venerated people conducted, or were party to these "evil" practices.
Heck, I saw fairly recently in a museum exhibit, some cards from a Tarot style deck from Queen Elizabeth I's "personal tarot reader", along with a "reading mat" that looked like it'd be right at home in an MTG gaming night
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:55:25
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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I've seen grown men fight over South America. We're talking huge Apoc style armies trying to get into and/or defend South America. I've seem 1st SGT's threaten UCMJ actions. Young LT's and CPT's walking out the tent in utter fustration. NCO's, backbone of the US Army flip cots. I've seen a coffee pot get smashed. I've seen ACH's go flying out the tent door...its damn dangerous I tell you and we all have live ammo....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 02:59:01
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Jihadin wrote:I've seen grown men fight over South America. We're talking huge Apoc style armies trying to get into and/or defend South America. I've seem 1st SGT's threaten UCMJ actions. Young LT's and CPT's walking out the tent in utter fustration. NCO's, backbone of the US Army flip cots. I've seen a coffee pot get smashed. I've seen ACH's go flying out the tent door...its damn dangerous I tell you and we all have live ammo....
Good thing it wasn't a serious game, like Axis & Allies or War on Terror
For the record... War on Terror is a fething AMAZING game. Sadly, I cannot fathom paying the prices Amazon want for it now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 03:12:27
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I remember playing the future variant of Risk (Risk 2132 or something like that), which is supposed to be one of the better balanced versions. That was enough to make me decide I better not try any others. Although dropping nuclear warheads indiscriminately was always fun...that was my trademark strategy in that game. It may not be an effective one, but darn it I will make sure if someone else wins the planet won't be worth them owning it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 06:37:14
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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YMMV but some people think I am sensitive to these things a few even that I have a gift. I make no such claims but stand by the evidence.
Whenever I have ever used a Ouiji board it's always appeared to be the case that I would get a very strong feeling, almost a bit sixth sensey in a way that I was in a room full of absolute fethwits and fools. Spirits would abound, mostly Gordon's or Tanquery used to dull this feeling but it was always there until I left that place and talked to normal people that weren't over excitable teenagers.
Weird.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 07:20:46
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Peregrine wrote: Orlanth wrote:IThere is a lot of explaining away of the supernatural which is considered confirmed fact simply because some people prefer to close off the alternate explanations.
Not really. The "explaining away the supernatural" happens because the evidence for the supernatural is just laughably weak unless you start from the assumption that your preferred supernatural thing exists and look for any possible justification.
Actually there is a lot of denial involved, against the supernatural, and against the influence of church ministry, despite tangible effects.
I will give you one examples of charismatic ministry (which is mostly prayer based) having results far in excess of secular support:
Olmos Prison, a maximum security Argentine prison experienced a Christian revival movement, the tangible provable results were a very dramatic increase in the rehabilitation rate, several times that of normal prison conditions. A number of ministers visited Olmos to see the result for themselves.
I wont expand on the basic info as I suspect doing so will be waste of time, those reading this can search the above and see for themselves.
Nevertheless some people are just closed to the possibility, and to the evidence, of charismata, because it conflicts with their militant atheist preconceptions.
As for prophesy, I gave my own testimony on a previous thread. Your mind was closed then it seems no more open now, even if I could gather a hundred reliable witnesses I doubt that would change because you turn up with the same blanket denials, laced with bile, every time.
That would be a refreshing change......
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........if you talk to a prophet no matter what happens, including nothing at all, it will never be evidence that prophecy doesn't exist?
.....you have to go to some lengths to twist what I say to come to the above
The silence can occur because sometimes God does not answer. There is no 'magick spell' God has no obligation to provide an answer. Prophesy is a part of a natural conversational process after all, as real as any other.
And no, hearing God is not schizophrenia, and a number of very rational and sane people hear God from antiquity to now, and the effects can be transformative in a positive way, with plenty of evidence of this having occured.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 07:26:31
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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There certainly is a lot of denial involved...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 07:28:39
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Douglas Bader
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notprop wrote:YMMV but some people think I am sensitive to these things a few even that I have a gift. I make no such claims but stand by the evidence.
Whenever I have ever used a Ouiji board it's always appeared to be the case that I would get a very strong feeling, almost a bit sixth sensey in a way that I was in a room full of absolute fethwits and fools. Spirits would abound, mostly Gordon's or Tanquery to dull this feeling but it was always there until I left that place and talked to normal people that weren't over excitable and full able teenagers.
Weird.
10/10, you actually had me for a second. Automatically Appended Next Post: Orlanth wrote:Olmos Prison, a maximum security Argentine prison experienced a Christian revival movement, the tangible provable results were a very dramatic increase in the rehabilitation rate, several times that of normal prison conditions. A number of ministers visited Olmos to see the result for themselves.
Why are you claiming that this is an example of supernatural things?
Nevertheless some people are just closed to the possibility, and to the evidence, of charismata, because it conflicts with their militant atheist preconceptions.
Alternatively, some people have looked at the evidence and found it to be nowhere near as convincing as you believe it is.
As for prophesy, I gave my own testimony on a previous thread. Your mind was closed then it seems no more open now, even if I could gather a hundred reliable witnesses I doubt that would change because you turn up with the same blanket denials, laced with bile, every time.
Oh good, the classic "you didn't convert to my religion as soon as I told you about it, clearly your mind is closed" excuse.
The silence can occur because sometimes God does not answer. There is no 'magick spell' God has no obligation to provide an answer. Prophesy is a part of a natural conversational process after all, as real as any other.
IOW, exactly what I said. If you see/hear/whatever something you can interpret as god giving you an answer then god exists and gave you an answer. If you don't get anything you can interpret as an answer then god exists and just doesn't have an obligation to give you an answer. There is no possible outcome of your request for prophecy that you will consider evidence that god and/or prophecy do not exist. Which is hilarious irony when you just accused me of being closed-minded.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 07:34:51
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Peregrine wrote: notprop wrote:YMMV but some people think I am sensitive to these things a few even that I have a gift. I make no such claims but stand by the evidence.
Whenever I have ever used a Ouiji board it's always appeared to be the case that I would get a very strong feeling, almost a bit sixth sensey in a way that I was in a room full of absolute fethwits and fools. Spirits would abound, mostly Gordon's or Tanquery to dull this feeling but it was always there until I left that place and talked to normal people that weren't over excitable and full able teenagers.
Weird.
10/10, you actually had me for a second.
I thought it was brilliant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 07:36:57
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 08:59:16
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Peregrine wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Olmos Prison, a maximum security Argentine prison experienced a Christian revival movement, the tangible provable results were a very dramatic increase in the rehabilitation rate, several times that of normal prison conditions. A number of ministers visited Olmos to see the result for themselves.
Why are you claiming that this is an example of supernatural things?
Its evidence of charismata.
Peregrine wrote:
Alternatively, some people have looked at the evidence and found it to be nowhere near as convincing as you believe it is.
When the evidence is presentable, like a rehabilitation rate. The denial is actually unscientific. Your assumption is that a denial of evidence is always scientific, wheras in reality everyone has their biases just as you and I do. Evidence of revivalism and charismata is frequently blanket ignored This happened to Olmos prison within the Argentine social services and prison administration. It took a long time for the Argentine authorities to admit the statistics was real, because the idea that prayer ministry had a better chance of rehabilitation than social work didnt sit well ith government statisticians, who in this field were mostly social workers.
It is not an uncommon problem. For example some church based groups have bucked the statistics on drug abuse rehabilitation, and the success rates some ministries manage to achieve exceed that of the medical profession. These statistics are verifiable no less than other studies on rehabilitation by visitation of former patients but you wont see then in no medical journals.
Mtro Ministries in New York managed a very high ( IIRC 90%) rehabilitation rate from heroin in the 90's, on a large scale detox program. Had a medical establishment achieved figures that high, it would have been tauted as a 'cure' but as the methodology was religious it was ignored, despite that the same verification procedures were used to confirm the results.
Metro is important, but mostly works with child poverty. Olmos is very important because the evidence became undeniable and yet clearly beneficial to the extent that Argentina in part embraced the revivalist methodology in mainstream prison rehabilitation. This had mixed results because it is a spiritual process, and can't be replicated by secular means.
Peregrine wrote:r
IOW, exactly what I said. If you see/hear/whatever something you can interpret as god giving you an answer then god exists and gave you an answer. If you don't get anything you can interpret as an answer then god exists and just doesn't have an obligation to give you an answer. There is no possible outcome of your request for prophecy that you will consider evidence that god and/or prophecy do not exist. Which is hilarious irony when you just accused me of being closed-minded.
Your comments would make sense if consistently on all occasions no answer was ever received. Even I would accept that as valid reason to be sceptical. However when sometimes there is and sometimes there isn't a reply, the individual occasions when there is silence is not disheartening because one can remember other times when there was.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 09:31:01
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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No it isn't.
When the evidence is presentable, like a rehabilitation rate.
Rehabilitation rate isn't evidence for supernatural things. It's arguably evidence that introducing religion into prisons can provide benefits, but that doesn't mean that any divine intervention occurred. For example, you could easily consider explanations like having people strongly believe in a moral code that opposes criminal behavior and emphasizes redemption for past sins, something that doesn't depend at all on the belief being true. You only have to resort to supernatural explanations when you assume from the beginning that you're going to find proof of god and then look for any evidence, no matter how weak, that can possibly be interpreted as the proof you want to find.
If you want to provide proof of the supernatural then you need to find some evidence of things that can not be explained without supernatural events/beings/etc. And so far nobody has managed to provide credible evidence of that type.
Your comments would make sense if consistently on all occasions no answer was ever received. Even I would accept that as valid reason to be sceptical. However when sometimes there is and sometimes there isn't a reply, the individual occasions when there is silence is not disheartening because one can remember other times when there was.
So I guess this is your demonstration that you don't understand what confirmation bias is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 09:47:37
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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I just used a Ouiji board to divine this topic.
First I let the spirits enter to room by downing some gin, then the pointer slowly moved to B, then it moved quickly to S. It then repeated BS, BS, BS..... Over and over again.
Weird.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 10:05:07
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Peregrine wrote: Nonsense. Risk at least ends eventually. Monopoly is a game created for the sole purpose of taking as long as possible without ever reaching a conclusion. If you want a game that takes forever try finding a copy of the old 'Escape from Colditz'. It's not a very well written game as a few points are unclear. But the main problem is that as soon as the players make any progress, the german player can make a roll call and effectively put them all back to square one. This goes on for hour after hour. I played with my family and a friend once, it took four hours for a player to get a single prisoner out. I think the real war would be over before you finished the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 10:10:29
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Peregrine wrote:
It's arguably evidence that introducing religion into prisons can provide benefits, but that doesn't mean that any divine intervention occurred.
As usual there is no proof, just large amounts of evidence in the form of changed lives. Yes hardened criminals can change, but for large numbers to do so dramatically requirs more than just pep talk.
This type of penomenon s not unusual in the charismatic ministry, but all but impossible outside it. The changes can also be very profound, and sudden.
A good well documented example of this outside Olmos is the ministry of David Wilkerson, which not only evidenced large scale spontaneous change but a umber of odds defying events that can only be described as miraculous.
Peregrine wrote:
For example, you could easily consider explanations like having people strongly believe in a moral code that opposes criminal behavior and emphasizes redemption for past sins, something that doesn't depend at all on the belief being true.
I can accept this, in normal state of play. However revivalism changes the dynamic.
Peregrine wrote:
You only have to resort to supernatural explanations when you assume from the beginning that you're going to find proof of god and then look for any evidence, no matter how weak, that can possibly be interpreted as the proof you want to find.
Spontaneous revivalism is hardly weak evidence, especially when you account for third party witnesses of what happens in events like those.
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So I guess this is your demonstration that you don't understand what confirmation bias is.
No its my demonstration that having experienced the charismata, including prophesy, myself. I am in a position where it make sense to believe in such phenomena.
On an earlier thread I gave an everyday occurance of the charismata in church them several people would get in indication to reference the same individual verse out of all the verse in the bible. The general purpose of which is to spontaneously change the topic highlighted for study.
A there are 31,102 verses in the Bible , the odds of this happening (three confirmations) statistically are about 1:3 bllion billion, less than the chances of a major lottery jackpot win. I did mention this is a common routine occurance. I also participate in this personally, often just speaking out the verse or confirming that it was what I was led to when someone else speaks it out.
This is also intentionally commonplace, the New testament uses this level of confirmation as standard, you are supposed to reject words unless there is separate confirmation, so to distinguish prophetic words from the imagination, and it is not consided unfaithful to ask for a third confirmation.
2nd Corinthains 13:1
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.”
If that is 'confirmation bias' you are setting the bar selectively high to say the least. Genuine charismata are stable enough to be able to withstand cross referencing.
If you can get three people to get the same message via their ideomotor on their Ouija boards without prior communication then we might have something. I don't recommend that though, after all and speaking from experience, the supernatural is real enough.
Playing with a Ouija board is possibly harmless, but I wouldn't try it. Though I draw a line at and only at activities supposed to directly invoke an occult, spiritist or magickal related effect.
I play D&D and listen to rock and ignore the Jack Chick bullcrap, and thoroughly agree with those secularists who are concerned, and ridicule, those who see an occult dynamic and a danger to common culture. Automatically Appended Next Post: Howard A Treesong wrote:[
If you want a game that takes forever try finding a copy of the old 'Escape from Colditz'. It's not a very well written game as a few points are unclear. But the main problem is that as soon as the players make any progress, the german player can make a roll call and effectively put them all back to square one. This goes on for hour after hour. I played with my family and a friend once, it took four hours for a player to get a single prisoner out. I think the real war would be over before you finished the game.

I recently bought a copy of this, its an old childhood faourite. the 70's version as depicted here with the Red Cross parcel box and orginal imagery, before Gibson started pandering to sensibilities and removed the swastikas.
The game can be open ended, but your experence is notsymbolc of normal play by my experience Players only get a Security or Opportunity card on a 3, 7 or 11, and each player gets a turn beore the German player gets one turn. So the German payer may well be starved of Security cards, and might not get enough cards to call an appel when wanted.
Even if he does the POW's can escape the appel if they are in blue safe zones, or in a tunnel, and once you are close enough to an objective, you can do or die. I have only just got my current set, and my games group hasn't played it yet. From memory of my last time playing Germans I got the wrong dice rolls, and the odd Security card i did get was often negated by the Opportunity cards which are statistically easier to get hold of if you have enough players.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 10:38:31
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Orlanth wrote:This type of penomenon s not unusual in the charismatic ministry, but all but impossible outside it.
Citation needed.
Spontaneous revivalism is hardly weak evidence, especially when you account for third party witnesses of what happens in events like those.
Of course it's weak evidence. It's not like you're getting people who have never heard of Christianity to spontaneously start quoting bible verses and organize a church, all your "spontaneous revival" requires is a charismatic leader to get people to make religion a priority. And that's hardly an unbelievable event in a situation like a prison, where you have lots of desperate people who might eagerly join anyone who offers even the slightest hope for their future.
A there are 31,102 verses in the Bible , the odds of this happening (three confirmations) statistically are about 1:3 bllion billion
This is not even close to correct. There might be 31k verses, but how many of them are relevant and how many of them are just endless pages of "begat"s. Narrow it down to popular "discussion topic" verses and things relevant to current events (whether newsworthy or in each person's private life) and those odds change significantly.
If that is 'confirmation bias' you are setting the bar selectively high to say the least.
Yep, you clearly don't understand what confirmation bias is. The example of confirmation bias is how you treat the outcome of your request for prophecy: you focus on the times when you were able to find something to interpret as an answer, and dismiss the times when you get nothing.
Though I draw a line at and only at activities supposed to directly invoke an occult, spiritist or magickal related effect.
None of which are real. Yelling "I cast magic missile" and throwing some D20s at someone is considerably more dangerous than whatever imaginary demons/spirits/whatever you might try to invoke.
have enough players.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 10:42:48
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Orlanth wrote:
I recently bought a copy of this, its an old childhood faourite. the 70's version as depicted here with the Red Cross parcel box and orginal imagery, before Gibson started pandering to sensibilities and removed the swastikas.
I didn't know there were later editions. I loved this one with all the rules and pieces coming in authentic-looking covers and boxes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 13:10:24
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Howard A Treesong wrote: Peregrine wrote:
Nonsense. Risk at least ends eventually. Monopoly is a game created for the sole purpose of taking as long as possible without ever reaching a conclusion.
If you want a game that takes forever try finding a copy of the old 'Escape from Colditz'. It's not a very well written game as a few points are unclear. But the main problem is that as soon as the players make any progress, the german player can make a roll call and effectively put them all back to square one. This goes on for hour after hour. I played with my family and a friend once, it took four hours for a player to get a single prisoner out. I think the real war would be over before you finished the game.

Pretty good book. The guys in there were creative. Learn not to try to escape in the Honey Dew wagon so they built a freaking glider in the castle attic. Making keys using a foot pedal driven dentist drill. A lot of Holy Crap! ideas
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 13:18:30
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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The thing about Ouija boards is that even if you're absolutely convinced that the dial is moving on it's own, and the psychological theory is inadequate, what makes you jump to the conclusion that spirits/demons are responsible? I mean, it could be:
a) One of your friends has spontaneously developed psychic powers.
b) God(s)
c) Dr Who in an alternative universe using a phase matter hypertronic transmitter to send a message.
d) His noodliness.
By all means jump to the conclusion that something else is moving it, but why does it have to be spirits/demons? All of the above are just as likely, given the quantity of proof presented. All you know is a dial is moving, you have no proof as to what exactly is making that dial move. And one illogical unsubstantiated explanation is as technically likely as another at that stage of the game.
Some people don't like it when you accuse the banana in the fruit bowl across the room of having developed psychic powers though. They feel it devalues the whole 'spirit world' thing.
EDIT:- Having said that, I don't necessarily disbelieve in spirits/demons. I simply need more proof with regards to ouija boards specifically than, 'I know it's demons because fifty years of cultural conditioning and horror movies tell me so'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 14:25:50
Subject: Ouija Board Experiences
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Citation was given.
Peregrine wrote:
Of course it's weak evidence. It's not like you're getting people who have never heard of Christianity to spontaneously start quoting bible verses and organize a church, all your "spontaneous revival" requires is a charismatic leader to get people to make religion a priority. And that's hardly an unbelievable event in a situation like a prison, where you have lots of desperate people who might eagerly join anyone who offers even the slightest hope for their future.
Except that what you assume is happening is not what actually occurred. You have the reference, so stop making things up to say what happened without actually bothering to find out.
Its bad enough that you clutch at straws to explain things away, its worse when you invent the straws to clutch.
Most spontaneous revivals might have an initiator, but not an actual leader, usually the initiator is along for the ride and has no control over how is going. Normally its just an ordinary joe with an extraordinary amount of faith, who gets the ball rolling so to speak, often without understanding how. David Wilkerson is a good example of this. In his case he did things because God told him too, some of which were in secular terms suicidally stupid, the difference is God actually did tell him to, and what occurred was a cascade of miracles. At no point did he actually see the end result of consequences, he just had an enormous faith and do what he felt God asked him to do.
Peregrine wrote:
A there are 31,102 verses in the Bible , the odds of this happening (three confirmations) statistically are about 1:3 bllion billion
This is not even close to correct. There might be 31k verses, but how many of them are relevant and how many of them are just endless pages of "begat"s. Narrow it down to popular "discussion topic" verses and things relevant to current events (whether newsworthy or in each person's private life) and those odds change significantly.
I will accept that. While there are a lot of begats,they only take up a tiny fraction of the whole volume, and some of the verses tat apparently have little meaning might real things from time to time. Nevertheless the core messages are contained in about half the books, and they are a lot of repetition between Exodus and Deuteronomy.
If I was to be generous and discard half the total volume, I actually wouldn't, but I can afford to be generous, there is still a 15k verses to choose from and an odds of 1:3 million billion.
And these odds still play out, casually, on many Sundays.
Peregrine wrote:
If that is 'confirmation bias' you are setting the bar selectively high to say the least.
Yep, you clearly don't understand what confirmation bias is. The example of confirmation bias is how you treat the outcome of your request for prophecy: you focus on the times when you were able to find something to interpret as an answer, and dismiss the times when you get nothing.
The silence is not relevant. Perhaps I should make myself clear. Sometimes the answer is not for one to know, silence therefore might be an answer, after a fashion, sometimes the answer is delayed. And there are many cases both Biblically and otherwise when someone prays for an answer, and receives one, but only after a long time.
I would say that most enquires are met with silence, but I have no way of knowing if an answer will come if I wait patiently
Peregrine wrote:
Though I draw a line at and only at activities supposed to directly invoke an occult, spiritist or magickal related effect.
None of which are real. Yelling "I cast magic missile" and throwing some D20s at someone is considerably more dangerous than whatever imaginary demons/spirits/whatever you might try to invoke.
have enough players.
Have you tried 5th edition yet? It's well designed, recommended.
No i don't believe they hype about Ouija boards possessing people, and while I do believe possession exists, and it's well documented, even by secular authorities, actual full on possession is so extraordinarily rare that I don't dwell on it as any likelihood of risk. "Demonisation" is far more common, arguably large sections of the populace might be "demonised" and not know it. This sounds incredulous, until you look at the work many of the ministries have than makes a difference in terms of dealing with things like addiction by practicing what is referred to as deliverance ministry.
Whether demons exist or not I will leave to you, but it is deliverance ministry that actually has the disproportional effect at rehabilitating substance abuse.
Demonology is not well understood, and is therefore referred to by its Biblical understanding, however while you cant 'heal' drug addiction, driving out "the spirit of drug addiction" appears to actually work, and has the rehabilitation rates some ministry groups have enjoyed.
Probably this refers to negative spiritual energy rather than little devils, as an actual possession is as distinct as it is rare.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/08 15:14:44
Subject: Re:Ouija Board Experiences
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Orlanth wrote:I generally wouldn't mess with any form of divination except prophesy, and finding someone with a reliable prophetic ministry is hard, but there are some out there.
There is a lot of explaining away of the supernatural which is considered confirmed fact simply because some people prefer to close off the alternate explanations.
In the case of Ouija boards I keep an open mind as to what happens. In these circumstances ideomotor holds logic as the practitioners are aware and can move the planchette semi-consciously.
However the invitation to spirits is still made, and there is no guarantee that one might turn up, even if all you are getting on the board itself is an ideomotor response. It is also unsafe to assume that if any do turn up they will leave just because you move the planchette to 'goodbye', not all spirits are nice and many are reluctant to play by the rules.
If you want to have an ideomotor based psychological experiment, and I can see how that can be fun, remove any form of spiritual invitation from it, and don't use a Ouija board or any other spiritist approach unless you are willing to handle the consequences, which you wont be.
Finding someone with the prophesy charismata is spiritually 'legal' from a Christian perspective, though you might not agree with my paradigm the comment is well intended. Anyone with a prophetic ministry is expected to provide their service free of charge or favour of any kind, but if they inquire of God for you it wont happen there and then, usually. So you will need to be patient for your answer.
Most times I have talked to a prophet I got no answer, prophesy is no something you can use on demand, but when it does happen the message is often profound. Sometimes I get given a message from my prophetic friends without asking for one, its just a matter of being open about it.
Prophesy is a subtle gift and very hard to practice, but it is worth it. You can also ask God for the gift of prophesy, or any of the charismata. Who knows you might receive it.
If I "tango with Jesus", Yokoshima will cut my balls off in the afterlife.
Not taking that risk thank you very much.
(I kid there is no afterlife, well I don't believe in one and the...thing I wrote encompassing these beliefs doesn't talk about one either).
I never bothered with ouija boards, I did start making a tiny one for the dolls but... that's for another thread.
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