Ouija Board Experiences

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**Frazzled**

Ketara wrote:
The thing about Ouija boards is that even if you're absolutely convinced that the dial is moving on it's own, and the psychological theory is inadequate, what makes you jump to the conclusion that spirits/demons are responsible? I mean, it could be:

a) One of your friends has spontaneously developed psychic powers.
b) God(s)
c) Dr Who in an alternative universe using a phase matter hypertronic transmitter to send a message.
d) His noodliness.

By all means jump to the conclusion that something else is moving it, but why does it have to be spirits/demons? All of the above are just as likely, given the quantity of proof presented. All you know is a dial is moving, you have no proof as to what exactly is making that dial move. And one illogical unsubstantiated explanation is as technically likely as another at that stage of the game.

Some people don't like it when you accuse the banana in the fruit bowl across the room of having developed psychic powers though. They feel it devalues the whole 'spirit world' thing.

EDIT:- Having said that, I don't necessarily disbelieve in spirits/demons. I simply need more proof with regards to ouija boards specifically than, 'I know it's demons because fifty years of cultural conditioning and horror movies tell me so'.

I would be WAY more scared if its Doctor Who trying to send a message. Thats got BAD DAY written all over it, because in the end, we're just red shirts in the Star trek game of life....

**Orlanth**

Ahh Frazzie has turned up. Let me guess the Weiner Dogs have their own Ouija board and sacrifice cats to Baalzebub to make sure thy get attention.
After all, its a great excuse to sacrifice cats.

**Frazzled**

Orlanth wrote:
Ahh Frazzie has turned up. Let me guess the Weiner Dogs have their own Ouija board and sacrifice cats to Baalzebub to make sure thy get attention.
After all, its a great excuse to sacrifice cats.

Well in their defense, you sacrifice enough evil cats and the Ouiji board upgrades to Ouiji WiFi.

**Orlanth**

I don't see any downside there, from an unrepentant Team Dog perspetive.

**Artorias the Abysswalker**

I hear some people have been saying that "Even if the experience is genuine and not subconsciously controlled, there is still no reason to assume that you are conversing with a spirit.

But say if you were conversing with a hypothetical Martin Seamore (and there have been plenty of such reported cases). You find out that Martin is 45 and he died in Swansea in the 1960s in a hospital due to a car accident. You might say, hey, how can that be a spirirt?

But say hypothetically, if you go to the hospital in Swansea, and check with their archives, and there is a Martin Seamore who died in 1967 due to a car crash, then how do you explain that. Pure coincidence?

I think not

Also, just for those in the know...

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And if so...

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**curran12**

Do you have anything other than conjecture and "hypothetical" to assume that that has ACTUALLY happened? Citation needed.

**Artorias the Abysswalker**

eh, one psychic on youtube did a seance with a lady (Nancy) who died of heart disease, and she wanted to say for her daughter to be ok and not to feel bad. She told the name of her daughter and gave her exact address in Illinois. IIRC, the psychic (Bob ? I just can't recall his second name) found her.

That was a genuine case, I have to say.

(Just look up *ouija board seances* and he did a lot of sessions, which look quite genuine. He even wrote a book on it "Ouija Mysteries"

**curran12**

WELL HOLY gak IF YOUTUBE HAD IT IT MUST BE TRUE!

Seriously man? You're using a YOUTUBE video as some kind of decisive proof? How do you even....that...for God's sake man THINK!

**Artorias the Abysswalker**

Fine, I can't say for definite, but he was doing it just on his own on a cofee table, while holding both hands on the planchette. So he couldn't have faked it

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He would also do a lot of his sessions on his bed

**curran12**

How come? IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO! Of course he could fake it! He had complete control over everything that he presented and the only witness is a camera!

I mean...I hear a lot of silly things said to justify the belief in the paranormal but...come on man, you need to critically think about life.

And what the jumping Christ does his BED have to do with anything?

**Ketara**

Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:
I hear some people have been saying that "Even if the experience is genuine and not subconsciously controlled, there is still no reason to assume that you are conversing with a spirit.

But say if you were conversing with a hypothetical Martin Seamore (and there have been plenty of such reported cases). You find out that Martin is 45 and he died in Swansea in the 1960s in a hospital due to a car accident. You might say, hey, how can that be a spirirt?

But say hypothetically, if you go to the hospital in Swansea, and check with their archives, and there is a Martin Seamore who died in 1967 due to a car crash, then how do you explain that. Pure coincidence?

Foolishness.

If it is one of your psychic friends, they could have looked it up previously to wow you. If it is God(s), he/they can be omniscient, know all about Mr Seamore, and be deceiving you for motivations of their own. Dr Who could be trying to manipulate you because he knows that if lots of people search for Mr Seamore, an evil Dalek plot to erase him from reality will be thwarted. And if it's the Spaghetti Monster, who here can comprehend his noodly ways?

The thing is, once you've discarded rationality and accepted that all known motivations/knowledge have been thrown out of the window, any explanation I can come up with is absolutely just as valid and likely as spirits/demons. Because both have an equivalent amount of evidence. Therefore there's nothing wrong with believing it's a dead person, but you should be open to the possibility that it is God speaking to you whilst deceiving you for reasons of his own, or a psychic friend playing pranks on you, and acknowledge that possibility, instead of just jumping to conclusions about devils.

I mean, let's be honest, saying that dead people are talking to you is really no more daft than saying that God is.

**SilverMK2**

Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:
That was a genuine case, I have to say.

I'm somewhat surprised they did not apply for their $1M prize from the guys at Randi...

Oh, wait...

**Artorias the Abysswalker**

Right I might seem foolish but still. I tend to be a bit of a spiritual person, maybe all this is nonsense.

why must you guys make life so dull and boring.

**BobtheInquisitor**

You know what's not in dispute? No psychic has ever been able to use a Ouija Board to contact someone who has died playing Monopoly. never once.

Think about it.

True story.

**SilverMK2**

Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:
Right I might seem foolish but still. I tend to be a bit of a spiritual person, maybe all this is nonsense.

why must you guys make life so dull and boring.

There is plenty of amazing and exciting stuff out there without having to believe a load of rubbish. I mean the universe is just incredible.

**curran12**

Be a spiritual person, that's fine. Don't make claims that are false. Don't say "this is genuine" when it is anything BUT genuine. Be spiritual, fine. Don't fething lie to validate it.

And if my asking you to use your brain and think hard about what you see is dull and boring, I am happy and proud to be that. Because at least it's honest.

And as Silver said, there's so much wonderful and cool things out there that are real and provable and far more enriching than believing a youtube psychic.

**Ensis Ferrae**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
You know what's not in dispute? No psychic has ever been able to use a Ouija Board to contact someone who has died playing Monopoly. never once.

Think about it.

So THATs why they made all them green houses for Monopoly games

**Artorias the Abysswalker**

Now now, no need to be so accusatory.
1. I did not lie in that it is definitely true.
2. Nor did I lie about my sources. I wasn't making that up.

I did say, it was genuine, as it seemed genuine to me, and that was only my personal opinion. I DO NOT IN ANY CASE say that my opinion is holy truth. It's just what I think

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As I am a spiritual person, I would tend to believe more in these things, but I'm not stupid. I think as well as anyone, and can see for myself if it's fraudulent or not.

**curran12**

Unfortunately, you were dishonest. You fabricated "hypothetical" situations when asked for evidence, and never provided anything that could prove your point. Instead of "here's a case" you said "well what if this happens, coincidence? I think not".
That's dishonesty in its purest form. It's no mortal sin, but I'm not going to sugarcoat it and tell you something that you want to hear instead.

And frankly, what you think is incorrect. Or, at the very least, lacks fundamental critical thinking. Again, this is not some accusation or terrible misdeed, but it is the truth. This whole "well it's just my opinion" line is garbage and we both know it. Opinions can change, and some opinions are wrong. So we fix it so that we're not committing the same mistake time and again.

**notprop**

.....I'm getting a message.....it's quite a strong message....is there someone here who has rececently lost a....dog....no sorry I meant cat....no fish....gerbil....unicorn?

**Jihadin**

notprop wrote:
.....I'm getting a message.....it's quite a strong message....is there someone here who has rececently lost a....dog....no sorry I meant cat....no fish....gerbil....unicorn?

Message is really really old.....

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**Bran Dawri**

Mmmmm, horse steak!

Barbeque is almost ready people!

**Torga_DW**

notprop wrote:
.....I'm getting a message.....it's quite a strong message....is there someone here who has rececently lost a....dog....no sorry I meant cat....no fish....gerbil....unicorn?

OMG THAT'S ME!!!! How did you know? I'm not panicked though, i think i've tracked down mr neighsworth's location:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/30/unicorn-lair-discovered-north-korea

edit: and a test to confirm psychic powers won't work on ghosts. Everyone knows that.