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2015/03/17 10:07:47
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
I would say alot of Chapters would laugh at the Ultrasmurfs behind their back due to their strict adherence to the Codex Astartes and quite a few chapters see themselves a bit above it. Though I am sure most would be very greatful to have their help! Except of course thr Minotaurs
Half bull, half man, basically a beastman, an abhuman, a rather odd choice for a chapter identity to be based around.
2015/03/17 10:13:05
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
I would say alot of Chapters would laugh at the Ultrasmurfs behind their back due to their strict adherence to the Codex Astartes and quite a few chapters see themselves a bit above it. Though I am sure most would be very greatful to have their help! Except of course thr Minotaurs
Half bull, half man, basically a beastman, an abhuman, a rather odd choice for a chapter identity to be based around.
off topic again! Unless you are saying that is what other chapters think of the Minotaurs, in which case It is what the Minotaur represents, a post human of pure fury and rage.
Fun fact: Also the Minotaur of Crete was named was Asterion, meaning "Star", just like the Chapter Master
2015/03/17 10:34:20
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
They are mentioned in the latest Space Marine Codex and took part in the Blood Star Campaign alongside the Fire Lords and Relictors, all three Chapters losing their Chapter Master.
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2015/03/17 13:40:33
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
Rainbow Warriors were in the RT rulebook. You can pick on them for having a silly name, or a goofy overabundance of helmet stripes, but they have deep roots in the game’s history. Being non-canon is not one of their issues.
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2015/03/17 14:41:27
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
A Yellow Jacket is a wasp and a wasp has only one purpose in life: to sting you with a paralytic toxin and lay carniverous offspring in your abdomen which will eat you alive from the inside out.
Think about that the next time you want to mock them for having a naff name.
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2015/03/17 15:22:15
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
Carcharodon Astra - though carcharodon is not latin for shark. It's from a greek word meaning sharp/jagged tooth and only applies to one genus of shark which has only a single species - the Great White Shark.
I don't know what the latin for shark would be but sharks in english used to be called sea dogs.
Would Space Fish be a good name for a chapter? Sharks are fish afterall.
It is the "High Gothic" name for Shark as the Low Gothic name for the Carcharodon Astra is Space Sharks, as listed in the Forge World books
ImAGeek wrote:I think Megaladon is speculatively part of the Carcharodon genus too. But yeah. They don't have a latinised name, they have a Latin name. And it doesn't mean 'Space Sharks' it means 'Space Carcharodons'. So... They aren't called the Space Sharks.
As I stated to the other guy, it is used as Shark in 40k, thus making it a latinised name.
For both of you; "Origin of CARCHARODON
New Latin, from Greek karcharodōn"
New Latin, is latin, hence a latinised name. The guys at FW probably thought oh hey that sounds cool! So then they used it. Now in 40k Carcharodon is Shark.
2015/03/17 17:07:43
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
"My Lord, I bring news."
Typhus Marburg paused in his study of the situation map of the dreary little planet his forces were engaged in ravaging. "Yes?"
"Lord. Starships have appeared in the outer system and are on course for a landing. They have been identified as elements of the Flesh Tearers."
"Yeah? Tell them to sod off and find their own world. Tell 'em we got here first."
"Sire, you misunderstand. They are here to defend this world!"
"What! Why? It's a sorry state of affairs when the followers of Chaos start to defend the weakling Imperium from each other!"
"Um, Lord... the Flesh Tearers are a loyalist chapter."
"They are? With a name like that! Are you sure they're not one of ours?"
"Positive, My Lord."
"Have you been able to call for any assistance?"
"The Astropaths have contacted other forces nearby. Unfortunately this has also alerted other loyalist forces in the sector and they are also headed our way."
"Bugger. So who gets here first then?"
"The Alpha Legion, sire."
"It never rains, it only pours, hey?"
"Umm..."
"What!"
"The Alpha Legion is one of ours."
"It is?!"
"Yes."
"I'm confused. You're telling me that a mob called the 'Flesh Tearers' isn't one of ours but a mob called the - what was it again..."
"The Alpha Legion, sire."
"Right... a mob called the Alpha Legion is one of ours."
"That is correct, sire."
"So who else is showing up to this barney then?"
"The Blood Drinkers."
"One of ours?"
"One of theirs."
"OK."
"The Iron Warriors."
"One of theirs?"
"No. One of ours."
"Go figure."
"The Dark Angels."
"Now I've heard of them. Followers of Slaanesh aren't they?"
"No, I think you're thinking of The Fallen, sire. The Dark Angels are Loyalists too."
"Bugger. So who else then?"
"The Emperor's Children."
"Oh, that one's too easy. They're obviously loyalists with a name like that."
"Um, not exactly my Lord."
"Really?"
"Yes, Lord. They're one of ours too."
"This is silly. All the really evil sounding names are being used by weakling loyalists while it seems as though the forces of chaos have got the naff monikers. Are there any more of these I should know about?"
"A few, Lord."
"OK then, spell it out for me, starting with Loyalists that sound like traitors and then moving onto traitors that sound like Loyalists."
"I will attempt to do so, Lord. OK - the Loyalists that sound like traitors... the Marauders, Rampagers, Destroyers and Storm Lords (all White Scar second foundings in point of fact)."
"I like the sound of the Storm Lords. You sure they aren't one of ours?"
"Quite sure. Then there's the Blood Drinkers and the Flesh Tearers - both of which are Loyalist second founding of the Blood Angels."
"With names like that I'd always assumed they were more bone headed followers of the blood god."
"Not so far, My Lord. Then there's the Red Talons..."
"I thought they were renegade pirates."
"No Lord, that's the Red Corsairs."
"Oh. OK. Continue."
"The Brazen Claws are loyalists too."
"Good name for a Khornate force though isn't it?"
"Yes Lord. Then there's the Black Guard (not to be confused with the Black Legion which IS one of ours), the Revilers, and the Raptors."
"Hold on a minute! The Raptors? They're definitely ours. Hell we've got a small unit of them attached to our forces haven't we?"
"My Lord, those are the troops known as Raptors but there is also a loyalist legion with the same name."
"Must get a bit confusing for the loyalists then?"
"I imagine so, My Lord. There are also the Doom Eagles, the Silver Skulls, and the Iron Hands (not to be mistaken for the Iron Warriors, who are ours)."
"Bloody hell. Is that it?"
"There are also some lesser known chapters that also seem to cause occasional confusion."
"Such as..."
"The Doomfarers are one that our forces have occasionally encountered."
"Oh yeah. Those yoyos. So what about the Chaos forces that sound like loyalists then..."
"Well as mentioned earlier there are The Emperor's Children, The Iron
Warriors, the Thousand Sons, the Lunar Wolves (who changed their name to the Sons of Horus and then to the Black Legion)..."
"Well at least they're easily IDed as one of ours now. The Black Legion eh? Now that's a proper name. Just positively oozes evil from every pore."
"Yes, Lord. To continue, there are also the Word Bearers, and the Alpha Legion."
"The Word Bearers? What kind of silly name is that for a Chaos Legion?"
"They used to be missionaries sire"
"Well you'd think that once they switched to our side they'd change their name to something a little more in keeping with being evil mad men. I mean come on 'The Word Bearers'? It's a silly name."
"Yes my Lord"
"You know, I think the forces of Chaos should have proper Chaos names. There's no room for mistakes when you're called something like 'The World Eaters' or 'The Death Guard'..."
"Actually Lord, both those chapters had those names when they were loyalists."
"You're kidding."
"No, My Lord."
"Yeesh. I would have thought names like that would be a bit scary for the average imperial citizen. I mean "Yay we're being rescued by the World Eaters" just doesn't sound credible while "Aargh! Flee! It's the World Eaters" seems much more likely."
"Yes, My Lord. I believe the latter is more likely these days anyway."
"Makes no bloody sense at all."
"Yes, My Lord."
"Kill 'em all and let the Chaos Gods sort 'em out I say."
"Sounds like a completely reasonable approach to me, My Lord."
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But yeah, UMs seem to get some stick.
And I like the Yellow Jackets! :(
So good!
Anyhow, for the question of the thread, the Space Wolves! In France, we have the same thing in Marseille. If someone from Marseille catch a small fish, he will tell you he caught a big fish. If he catch a big fish, he will tell you he broke the record of the biggest fish ever caught. If a Space Wolf catch a big fish, though, he will tell you it was some tyranid bio-titan.
And beside, when they start talking about how their wolf-troops will come in their wolf-vehicle to wolf the day for the Wolfperium of Wolfs, who could keep a straight face anyway ?
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2015/03/18 14:28:35
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
Oh my. I had to go look that up. I hadn't ever actually heard of them before this thread, and I thought ya'll were joking.
Two things.
First, I don't think rainbow warriors is such a bad thing. Given that just a tiny bit of research into them shows them to be a UM successor chapter from the home world of prism. An interpretation of this could be that their philosophy is one of different colors form a whole. Their official colors were "Multicolored but hey are depicted as UM blue with a red and yellow stripe down their face... so officers could wear white while different squads who perform different functions could be a number of different colors (tac could be blue, Fast attack red, Heavy support orange elites Green... just some examples) and all of them could have the same facial stripe.
I seriously doubt the rainbow warriors were intentionally created and included in early additions as a gay joke.
Also in what way would, even if sexuality played a role in mainstream space marine existence, would homosexuality, or the existence of gay space marines affect their standing as space marines or their ability to perform their function as demigod warriors? The denigration and "shame" that some people imply that they should feel or should be heaped upon them for being associated with a symbol that we associate with homosexuality set 38 thousand years before the setting is supposed to take place says more about certain individuals insecurities and prejudices than any real problem with fluff or cannon.
Second, the entire premise of your question implies that the space marines would be so petty and childish as to make fun of another chapter because of heraldry or names... It seems far too childish and petty for demigod warriors to waste time degenerating other human factions and chapters when they are beset by chaos and xenos.
Friendly rivalries and name calling between chapters may exist, and even loathing and extreme dislike may exist between certain chapters, but due the nature of space marines and the conflict they face I seriously doubt actual pettiness and refusal to fight along side a chapter on something as silly as astehtics or their name. That would be like our current military forces refusing help from Greek soldiers in combat zones because their traditional dress uniform includes a skirt... it is just ridiculous that a professional fighting force would be that childish and petty.
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2015/03/18 14:59:12
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
Oh my. I had to go look that up. I hadn't ever actually heard of them before this thread, and I thought ya'll were joking.
Two things.
First, I don't think rainbow warriors is such a bad thing. Given that just a tiny bit of research into them shows them to be a UM successor chapter from the home world of prism. An interpretation of this could be that their philosophy is one of different colors form a whole. Their official colors were "Multicolored but hey are depicted as UM blue with a red and yellow stripe down their face... so officers could wear white while different squads who perform different functions could be a number of different colors (tac could be blue, Fast attack red, Heavy support orange elites Green... just some examples) and all of them could have the same facial stripe.
I seriously doubt the rainbow warriors were intentionally created and included in early additions as a gay joke.
Also in what way would, even if sexuality played a role in mainstream space marine existence, would homosexuality, or the existence of gay space marines affect their standing as space marines or their ability to perform their function as demigod warriors? The denigration and "shame" that some people imply that they should feel or should be heaped upon them for being associated with a symbol that we associate with homosexuality set 38 thousand years before the setting is supposed to take place says more about certain individuals insecurities and prejudices than any real problem with fluff or cannon.
Second, the entire premise of your question implies that the space marines would be so petty and childish as to make fun of another chapter because of heraldry or names... It seems far too childish and petty for demigod warriors to waste time degenerating other human factions and chapters when they are beset by chaos and xenos.
Friendly rivalries and name calling between chapters may exist, and even loathing and extreme dislike may exist between certain chapters, but due the nature of space marines and the conflict they face I seriously doubt actual pettiness and refusal to fight along side a chapter on something as silly as astehtics or their name. That would be like our current military forces refusing help from Greek soldiers in combat zones because their traditional dress uniform includes a skirt... it is just ridiculous that a professional fighting force would be that childish and petty.
Were not saying the Rainbow Warriors name is dumb because it some how implies they are homosexual, we area saying its dumb, because it fething sounds like a dumb name.
...it is just ridiculous that a professional fighting force would be that childish and petty.
What is, the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force rivalry?
2015/03/18 15:41:39
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
1. What is the basis of that judgment? What makes rainbow warriors such a terrible name? I understand that this is an opinion, but most opinions are based on some sort of criteria... so what specifically about the rainbow warrior's name is so objectionable?
2. the armed forces of the united states do have friendly rivalries, but they cant and don't refuse to serve together or operate in the same theater. but they woudlnt refuse help or material from another of the armed forces... and i am specifically referring to the post about the yellow jackets from the OP...
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2015/03/18 15:43:56
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
I seriously doubt the rainbow warriors were intentionally created and included in early additions as a gay joke.
Also in what way would, even if sexuality played a role in mainstream space marine existence, would homosexuality, or the existence of gay space marines affect their standing as space marines or their ability to perform their function as demigod warriors? The denigration and "shame" that some people imply that they should feel or should be heaped upon them for being associated with a symbol that we associate with homosexuality set 38 thousand years before the setting is supposed to take place says more about certain individuals insecurities and prejudices than any real problem with fluff or cannon.
Second, the entire premise of your question implies that the space marines would be so petty and childish as to make fun of another chapter because of heraldry or names... It seems far too childish and petty for demigod warriors to waste time degenerating other human factions and chapters when they are beset by chaos and xenos.
Woah, woah, woah buddy, no one said anything like that. Rainbows immediately bring to mind happy times and bright colors, not fighting units. You're the one jumping to conclusions here, and ones that didn't need to be made. Don't put words in anyone's mouth, and don't make accusations about insecurities either.
Also, if you'll go all the way back up to the top and actually read my post, I very specifically said "I know, I know, Space Marines would never make fun of each other, Grimdark..."
I like to personally imagine Space Marine chapters actually "would" have rivalries, and I don't understand how you could imagine trash talk wouldn't enter into that. This is a relatively silly thread by my own admission. Don't make it something it isn't, and that can include the descriptive "serious" if ye like.
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2015/03/18 15:51:17
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
GKTiberius wrote:1. What is the basis of that judgment? What makes rainbow warriors such a terrible name? I understand that this is an opinion, but most opinions are based on some sort of criteria... so what specifically about the rainbow warrior's name is so objectionable?
Compared even to the likes of Space Sharks, and Space Wolves. It strikes me personally as more an inane name than Yellow Jackets.
2. the armed forces of the united states do have friendly rivalries, but they cant and don't refuse to serve together or operate in the same theater. but they woudlnt refuse help or material from another of the armed forces... and i am specifically referring to the post about the yellow jackets from the OP...
You should know that the silliness of that first post and the denying of actions has been addressed by me. A governor would likely not refuse Astartes assistance. But it has been noted in the fluff that other Chapters do refute the assistance of other Chapters on a regular basis.
I seriously doubt the rainbow warriors were intentionally created and included in early additions as a gay joke.
Also in what way would, even if sexuality played a role in mainstream space marine existence, would homosexuality, or the existence of gay space marines affect their standing as space marines or their ability to perform their function as demigod warriors? The denigration and "shame" that some people imply that they should feel or should be heaped upon them for being associated with a symbol that we associate with homosexuality set 38 thousand years before the setting is supposed to take place says more about certain individuals insecurities and prejudices than any real problem with fluff or cannon.
Second, the entire premise of your question implies that the space marines would be so petty and childish as to make fun of another chapter because of heraldry or names... It seems far too childish and petty for demigod warriors to waste time degenerating other human factions and chapters when they are beset by chaos and xenos.
Woah, woah, woah buddy, no one said anything like that. Rainbows immediately bring to mind happy times and bright colors, not fighting units. You're the one jumping to conclusions here, and ones that didn't need to be made. Don't put words in anyone's mouth, and don't make accusations about insecurities either.
Exactly.
2015/03/18 15:56:28
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
GKTiberius wrote: I seriously doubt the rainbow warriors were intentionally created and included in early additions as a gay joke.
Also in what way would, even if sexuality played a role in mainstream space marine existence, would homosexuality, or the existence of gay space marines affect their standing as space marines or their ability to perform their function as demigod warriors?
Actually, the problem with rainbow here is not that it evokes homosexuality. “Macho” homosexuality would be fine, just look at the sanguinary guards! Rainbows evokes more cute, sugar-coated very cheery stuff like, say, My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic, or this:
Spoiler:
And super-cheery, cute, sugar-coated marines would sure look quite out of character. And very out of place with all the grimdark.
I did not use girly! Woot!
Now this is the 40th millenium we are talking about, and all our current cultural associations could have changed. Maybe in m41, storms and lightening are associated with cute, sugar-coated cheery stuff, and rainbows are associated with violence and strength and power, because of whatever strange meteorological phenomenon in whatever planet or something like that. Still, for 40k players, that live in the 21th century, a space marine chapter called the Rainbow Warriors will bring out funny, ridiculous images because of the current cultural associations around rainbows.
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2015/03/18 19:29:17
Subject: Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
GKTiberius wrote: I apologize for jumping to those conclusions... That is just what i pulled from the comments and quotes from earlier.
I actually really like the idea of the rainbow warriors having different colored armor for different combat roles.
anyway. again i apologize for being inflammatory and reactionary to misperceived comments.
Don't sweat it. I started this thread in part because I thought the Yellow Jacket idea just didn't sound all that fierce, and comical even farcical situations began popping up in my head. I have a lot of fun with 40k in that way honestly and I sorta like the idea of bringing some of that silliness to the forums. To be frank, I hadn't considered any conversations really going anywhere offensive to anyone.
In regards to the Rainbow Warriors in particular, I'd never really heard of them before now. The idea of armor colored dependent on their combat role actually could make alot of sense really, but the word itself, "Rainbow" just seems too warm to me personally. I almost think another name entirely, like "Prismatic" or something like that wouldn't evoke any fluffy notions at all really.
Pilau Rice above mentioned it may have been an actual historical nod towards a greenpeace vessel that was sunk, and if so, GW wouldn't want to change the name up anyways, lest their intent be forgotten. That actually makes their story much more interesting in my eyes.
Actually, the problem with rainbow here is not that it evokes homosexuality. “Macho” homosexuality would be fine, just look at the sanguinary guards!]
This actually reminded me strongly of the beginning of Bruva Alfabusa's "If The Emperor had a Text-to-Speech-Device" Series. Have you seen the Custodes? Riiiight around 1:36 in. Those dudes are awesome
I love this show, it's hilarious if you haven't seen any of it. Just be aware it's extremely tongue in cheek, and makes alot of fun of the 40k Universe.
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2015/03/18 20:48:06
Subject: Re:Which SM chapters do the other chapters make fun of?
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