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Title of the video. White Dwarf 64.

Guess I should put all these scatter lasers in my bits box on the swap shop at $5 a piece. War profiteering my friends.

I should just stick Multilasers onto all of the Jetbikes and take C.S. Goto's vision to it's logical conclusion.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I should just stick Multilasers onto all of the Jetbikes and take C.S. Goto's vision to it's logical conclusion.

Maybe it was him that wrote the dex...

I dunno boutchu guys, but I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that all have AP2 on a 6 to wound than 160 S6 shots that dont.

Someone do the math.

 Orock wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
I need to buy more jetbikes....

This is how friendships end.

Challenge accepted. I'm heavily introverted.

My poor, poor SMs.

But I bet it beats newcrons.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I dunno boutchu guys, but I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that all have AP2 on a 6 to wound than 160 S6 shots that dont.

Someone do the math.

I think I'm with you. They removed scatterlasers giving Twin-Linked to other weaponry now, so IMO Shuriken Cannons are slightly better as they are more take-all-comers. You only give up one shot but get Bladestorm which, en masse, is brutal.

Either way, Saim-Hann lists are going to continue to dominate from the looks of it.

Raven Cowl wrote:
But I bet it beats newcrons.

Did the math over in the rumor thread, 810pts of scatbikes kills half a harvester wraith squad in 1 turn. And destroyer weapons ignore RP and are s10 ap2 automatically so....

Raven Cowl wrote:
But I bet it beats newcrons.

Kills 22 warriors in decurion. 15 immortals. It'll need some extra AT for AV13 spam, but with a little over 400 points remaining, that shouldn't be too hard. I hope to one day face this challenge!

Edit for grammer

Well 500pts of taxes before you can take 1 - 12 wraithknights might disagree


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 Sir Arun wrote:
I dunno boutchu guys, but I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that all have AP2 on a 6 to wound than 160 S6 shots that dont.

Someone do the math.

Did it in the other thread.

30 bikes =120 scats = 80 hits and kills 22 marines

30 bikes = 90 shuriken cannons, 60 hits, 10 diced marines, 13 other failed, its better by 1, and WAY better against anything 2+ save or T6+

Ravenous D wrote:

Raven Cowl wrote:
But I bet it beats newcrons.

Did the math over in the rumor thread, 810pts of scatbikes kills half a harvester wraith squad in 1 turn. And destroyer weapons ignore RP and are s10 ap2 automatically so....

Szeras wrote:

Raven Cowl wrote:
But I bet it beats newcrons.

Kills 22 warriors in decurion. 15 immortals. It'll need some extra AT for AV13 spam, but with a little over 400 points remaining, that shouldn't be too hard. I hope to one day face this challenge!

Edit for grammer

Ok then so we have a solution to Newcron domination in a troops slot that can then take AT. It may not exactly be a hard counter but it does prey on the biggest boogeyman in the meta atm.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I should just stick Multilasers onto all of the Jetbikes and take C.S. Goto's vision to it's logical conclusion.

Maybe it was him that wrote the dex...

Nah, it's pretty much Kelly's work straight up, fits his profile.

3rd edition was Altoic, 4th edition skimmerspam (also known as falconspam), 5th edition no update so remained back a bit after the midway point, 6th edition Serpent Spam, and now we have Scatter laser bike spam for 7th.

Crazy how much more powerful craftworld eldar jetbike ares compared to the DE reaver jetbikes. Anyone have any ideas how a pure DE army should try taking on mass jetbike spam?

 Ravenous D wrote:
Well 500pts of taxes before you can take 1 - 12 wraithknights might disagree


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 Sir Arun wrote:
I dunno boutchu guys, but I'd rather have 120 S6 shots that all have AP2 on a 6 to wound than 160 S6 shots that dont.

Someone do the math.

Did it in the other thread.

30 bikes =120 scats = 80 hits and kills 22 marines

30 bikes = 90 shuriken cannons, 60 hits, 10 diced marines, 13 other failed, its better by 1, and WAY better against anything 2+ save or T6+

Here is some math for you. 160 str 6 shots kills 90 orks in a turn. Not everyone is balanced around being able to tank crap like necrons. Again that is nearly an entire min green tide worth of boyz. 1 turn.

And not even the other half of the army.

Welp, guess its time for tournaments to pull their heads out of their asses and start comping up.

 Archon_Zarbyrn wrote:
Crazy how much more powerful craftworld eldar jetbike ares compared to the DE reaver jetbikes. Anyone have any ideas how a pure DE army should try taking on mass jetbike spam?

Reavers are good but are mostly a melee unit.
Codex DE: Prayer mostly.
Covens: Stuff like the Corpsethief claw, DA, and lots of grots would be what bring 4+ feel no pain from spamming as many Cronos as I can get would be my plan.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I should just stick Multilasers onto all of the Jetbikes and take C.S. Goto's vision to it's logical conclusion.

Maybe it was him that wrote the dex...

Nah, it's pretty much Kelly's work straight up, fits his profile.

3rd edition was Altoic, 4th edition skimmerspam (also known as falconspam), 5th edition no update so remained back a bit after the midway point, 6th edition Serpent Spam, and now we have Scatter laser bike spam for 7th.

You never know! Maybe they'll make another game breaking unit/combo!

Well for all those who say the way to counter mass bikes is to bring a bunch of vehicles, it looks like all the Distortion weapons are now D-weapons.

So as long as the rest of the jetbike list has some wraithlords or wraithknights, then that plan might not hold on for too long.

 Accolade wrote:
You're not understanding the HHHobby, man.

The HHHobby isn't about playing games with these miniatures (since GW's management has cited that most players don't actually play). It's about buying as many GW miniatures as you can possibly get your hands on. Now get out there and make Kirby proud!

I'm all about this, it's true, it's observable, and it explains many many things. What is the source of that statement, and will you say how you found it?

 Icculus wrote:
Well for all those who say the way to counter mass bikes is to bring a bunch of vehicles, it looks like all the Distortion weapons are now D-weapons.

So as long as the rest of the jetbike list has some wraithlords or wraithknights, then that plan might not hold on for too long.

And depends on the rest of the eldar army too. If dragons and hawks are relatively the same even big tanks wont last. Plus with Skitarii around no one will be investing a lot into tanks when they can dump out easy haywire.

Let's pray t god that these are typos or gw is pulling our legs

pelicaniforce wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
You're not understanding the HHHobby, man.

The HHHobby isn't about playing games with these miniatures (since GW's management has cited that most players don't actually play). It's about buying as many GW miniatures as you can possibly get your hands on. Now get out there and make Kirby proud!

I'm all about this, it's true, it's observable, and it explains many many things. What is the source of that statement, and will you say how you found it?

It was mentioned in the court case against CHS by, I believe, Mark Wells. I could probably go digging for it if you are really interested. I can at least swear that GW's uppers have made this point on a couple of occasions. It's all pretty damning stuff, you didn't really see anyone chime up in GW's defense in the thread dedicated to the case. It's hard to say GW is trying to sell its new models the hardest since the rules don't always match up (some stuff is great, other stuff is trash), but this situation with the windriders is beyond the pale of what, really, ANYONE expected.

 Icculus wrote:
Well for all those who say the way to counter mass bikes is to bring a bunch of vehicles, it looks like all the Distortion weapons are now D-weapons.

So as long as the rest of the jetbike list has some wraithlords or wraithknights, then that plan might not hold on for too long.

Or just Wraithguard. Their guns are naturally S10 AP2 Distort so if they just up that to D weapon, holy gak. Like, HOLY gak.

And how do we know the scatter laser didnt get nerfed?

 Gitsmasher wrote:
And how do we know the scatter laser didnt get nerfed?

Video evidence

 Great White wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
And how do we know the scatter laser didnt get nerfed?

Video evidence

Where can I find this video? I havent been paying to much attention to this rumor.

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Great White wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
And how do we know the scatter laser didnt get nerfed?

Video evidence

Where can I find this video? I havent been paying to much attention to this rumor.

First page of this thread. Picture and video (with specific time listed).

That's good. Eldar needed a boost. They were threatening to not be supreme god of top tier anymore and we can't have that.