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2015/08/24 19:40:59
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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The Lamenters... they aaaaalways win!
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2015/08/24 20:18:44
Subject: Re:Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Wow, what a mess going on in here. Time for some cleaning.  DarkHound wrote: Dalymiddleboro wrote:Because their recruitment is more brutal, they all are psykers, and they get the best equipment in the imperium.
They get maybe the fourth or fifth best. The Adeptus Mechanicus and the Custodes have technology the Grey Knights could only dream of. (The Custodes still have a fleet of grav vehicles at year 40,000.) The difference is that the Grey Knight's tech is specialized for daemon hunting and nothing else.
People still believe this? Again. Codex Grey Knights wrote:Of all the armies of the Imperium, the Grey Knights can boast to have the most technologically advanced and murderously efficient weaponry under their command.
There. Question resolved. GK tech > Mechanicus tech. The codex is full of quotes like that, by the way, and it's really a pick and choose. As for the thread. To pursue the endless war against the Daemons of Chaos takes more than a mere Space Marine. It takes a Grey Knight -- an altogether more superlative warrior, who is as far above other Space Marines as the Astartes are above the common run of Mankind.
Also from the codex, Terminator entry. GKs are best at fighting daemons, but this specialisation does not come at the cost of adaptability. They are especially good at fighting daemons, but they will still beat up just about anything else. They are often depicted as attacking targets of opportunity when returning from priority daemonic targets, as well as fighting other foes when they block the way. And they excel at it. /thread
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2015/08/24 20:33:53
Subject: Re:Most powerful space marines?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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 Ashiraya wrote:Wow, what a mess going on in here. Time for some cleaning.
DarkHound wrote: Dalymiddleboro wrote:Because their recruitment is more brutal, they all are psykers, and they get the best equipment in the imperium.
They get maybe the fourth or fifth best. The Adeptus Mechanicus and the Custodes have technology the Grey Knights could only dream of. (The Custodes still have a fleet of grav vehicles at year 40,000.) The difference is that the Grey Knight's tech is specialized for daemon hunting and nothing else.
People still believe this?
Again.
Codex Grey Knights wrote:Of all the armies of the Imperium, the Grey Knights can boast to have the most technologically advanced and murderously efficient weaponry under their command.
There. Question resolved. GK tech > Mechanicus tech. The codex is full of quotes like that, by the way, and it's really a pick and choose.
As for the thread.
To pursue the endless war against the Daemons of Chaos takes more than a mere Space Marine. It takes a Grey Knight -- an altogether more superlative warrior, who is as far above other Space Marines as the Astartes are above the common run of Mankind.
Also from the codex, Terminator entry.
GKs are best at fighting daemons, but this specialisation does not come at the cost of adaptability. They are especially good at fighting daemons, but they will still beat up just about anything else.
They are often depicted as attacking targets of opportunity when returning from priority daemonic targets, as well as fighting other foes when they block the way. And they excel at it.
/thread
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2015/08/24 20:36:40
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Dat 5E Codex. We all saw that one, right? Tbh, I was hoping this would turn out to be one of those "my Chapter Master could beat up your Chapter Master!" threads. Those are hilarious and rage-inducing in equal measure.
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2015/08/24 20:38:06
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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So grey knights are the most powerful space marines then.
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2015/08/24 20:40:01
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Only based off some dubious fluff. From their job description, they should be one of the weakest vs non-daemons.
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2015/08/24 20:40:52
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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It is not up for debate. The Codex states it in black and white all over the place. It also can't be propaganda because the GK are fething secret. You can't have propaganda about secrets, if you do they are no longer secret. Unless you believe High Lord X wrote the codex as propaganda for High Lord Y. And I really, seriously doubt that, because High Lord Y knows everything High Lord X knows.
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2015/08/24 20:43:15
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Ashiraya wrote:
It is not up for debate. The Codex states it in black and white all over the place.
It also can't be propaganda because the GK are fething secret. You can't have propaganda about secrets, if you do they are no longer secret. Unless you believe High Lord X wrote the codex as propaganda for High Lord Y. Yeah. Totally.
I find myself not caring what the Grey Knight codex has to say, though. As I said, some dubious fluff says they are, but in any kind of rational setting, it doesn't make sense.
GK are so secret I fought them constantly in 5th ed, lol.
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2015/08/24 20:43:20
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Martel732 wrote: Only based off some dubious fluff. From their job description, they should be one of the weakest vs non-daemons.
No, they are simply even better at killing Daemons than they are at killing everything else. Martel732 wrote:I find myself not caring what the Grey Knight codex has to say, though. As I said, some dubious fluff says they are, but in any kind of rational setting, it doesn't make sense.
Rational setting? 40k? wtf And if you don't care what the codex says, then why should we care what the BA or SM or SW or DA codex says?
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2015/08/24 20:44:02
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Ashiraya wrote:Martel732 wrote:
Only based off some dubious fluff. From their job description, they should be one of the weakest vs non-daemons.
No, they are simply even better at killing Daemons than they are at killing everything else.
I'm not buying it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Just because GW is not rational doesn't mean I have to be irrational.
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2015/08/24 20:45:33
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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You don't have to. It doesn't become less true because Martel732 doesn't believe it. You don't have to believe the sun is bigger than Earth either, but it is.
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2015/08/24 20:47:29
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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"then why should we care what the BA or SM or SW or DA codex says?"
Good question. I can say this: If we pretend there are millions of space marines instead of hundreds, then those stories begin to become rational. GK fluff, as far as I can tell, is a bunch of fanboi fanfic that makes little sense. It all comes to down to personal preference I suppose. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ashiraya wrote:
You don't have to. It doesn't become less true because Martel732 doesn't believe it.
You don't have to believe the sun is bigger than Earth either, but it is.
Except the sun isn't some nonsense GW vomited forth to sell models.
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2015/08/24 20:48:00
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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No way. The sun is like... 4 inches across. I see it every day.
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2015/08/24 20:49:36
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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I don't really have anything more to say. I have given you my position, and I have given you evidence to back it up. Disregard it if you desire, it doesn't really matter.
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2015/08/24 20:51:54
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Ashiraya wrote:I don't really have anything more to say. I have given you my position, and I have given you evidence to back it up. Disregard it if you desire, it doesn't really matter.
No, it doesn't. To be honest, I really hate GW's fluff and setting anyway. I personally really hate the GK, so I'm prone to disregard whatever crazy claims GW makes about them. I'm my mind, they are cowardly pretender gimps. Which, to me, makes more sense than what they actually wrote, which is pathetic fiction writing.
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2015/08/24 20:52:13
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I'm gonna reason Ultramarines - we all know they have the most faith in Teh Emprah and Teh Kodecs Asstarts.
And as we can see in all BL novels, the more of either of those you have, the better you are.
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2015/08/24 20:59:30
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Really, unless you ignore the fluff anyway the space marines don't matter at all since there are too few of them to ever matter.
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2015/08/24 21:02:45
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Why do you hate GK so much? Models are dope, and they're the purist of heart.
Also canonically, are the most powerful astartes
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2015/08/24 21:06:02
Subject: Re:Most powerful space marines?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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GK covered in SoB blood > SoB > GK > All other SM
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2015/08/24 21:06:27
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Dalymiddleboro wrote:Why do you hate GK so much? Models are dope, and they're the purist of heart.
Also canonically, are the most powerful astartes
They're johnny-come-lates that allegedly trump all the other marines. Whatever. They also were packing force weapons when all the demons had eternal warrior. Brilliant guys, just brilliant.
"they're the purist of heart. "
You mean the most brainwashed.
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2015/08/24 21:07:00
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I don't like Mary Sues very much. Ultramarines are the Chief Sue in 40k. And GK are High Lord Commanders of all Mary Sues.
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2015/08/24 21:07:44
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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 Selym wrote:I don't like Mary Sues very much. Ultramarines are the Chief Sue in 40k. And GK are High Lord Commanders of all Mary Sues.
I guess that's a better way to say it. Mary Sues.
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2015/08/24 21:07:55
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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There. Question resolved. GK tech > Mechanicus tech. The codex is full of quotes like that, by the way, and it's really a pick and choose.
You're misreading that quote.
Codex Grey Knights wrote:Of all the armies of the Imperium, the Grey Knights can boast to have the most technologically advanced and murderously efficient weaponry under their command.
The AdMech isn't an army of the Imperium. While it possesses its own military resources, those resources are its to do with as it pleases. Usually, these goals line up with those of the Imperium... but, when they do not, the AdMech is not required to send Titans to support a campaign they do not agree with. They are an empire within the Imperium... and, as empires go, are far older than the Imperium itself.
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2015/08/24 21:10:55
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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The distinction is irrelevant because you are almost but not quite right. Mechanicus armed forces are armies of the imperium. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus Read the first part of the overview. It is only -almost- a separate mini-imperium; it is still part of the main thing.
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2015/08/24 21:15:59
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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How are they Mary Sues? They slaughter surviving allies after the battle is won so they remain secretive. If I was a guardsmen or even a ultramarine, if I saw GK drop from the heavens I'd probably poo a little.
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2015/08/24 21:17:40
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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GK are fairly marty stu yeah, but it's irrelevant to the topic.
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2015/08/24 21:22:36
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Dalymiddleboro wrote:How are they Mary Sues? They slaughter surviving allies after the battle is won so they remain secretive. If I was a guardsmen or even a ultramarine, if I saw GK drop from the heavens I'd probably poo a little.
Until they lose to said allies. Very Mary Sue.
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2015/08/24 21:26:30
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Martel732 wrote: Dalymiddleboro wrote:How are they Mary Sues? They slaughter surviving allies after the battle is won so they remain secretive. If I was a guardsmen or even a ultramarine, if I saw GK drop from the heavens I'd probably poo a little.
Until they lose to said allies. Very Mary Sue.
They eat those allies alive!
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2015/08/24 21:28:05
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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In the game, the GK losing in that situation is a plausible outcome.
In the fluff, I have yet to find any examples of such an occurence.
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2015/08/24 21:29:11
Subject: Most powerful space marines?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Dalymiddleboro wrote:Martel732 wrote: Dalymiddleboro wrote:How are they Mary Sues? They slaughter surviving allies after the battle is won so they remain secretive. If I was a guardsmen or even a ultramarine, if I saw GK drop from the heavens I'd probably poo a little.
Until they lose to said allies. Very Mary Sue.
They eat those allies alive!
And wear them as hats. Because:
Blood Sacrifice + Marty Stu = Anti-Khorne Weapon
Apparently.
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